You know as I was reading your post since you do check through it a lot why don't we have subforums for this much like we do our subforums for other topics? Like for recs and stuff?

That would be a good idea that would help this problem a little bit

my only fear is that i wouldn't want anyone to feel segregated if the mods did decide to do that.

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There is a set of guidelines in here that ive posted on January 3.2007
http://www.specktra.net/showthread.php?t=62951

I'm still really unclear as to what the guidelines mean. I think we need to consider audience as a determining factor for where a post goes. There are concerns that are better suited to women of color, but everyone is wecome on the board, just as most of the WoC are active in other sections of the board. If this forum was created for us to talk to each other, why can't we choose what we talk about? I actually would love subcategories in our forum, that way we can define our posts by both audience and purpose.

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ME220 im trying to come up with a way to implament guidelines that are more clear for everyone to follow by. time is what i need...

If any members have specific suj im asking that you PM it to me and i will go over it with Janice to see if we can work something out

Why can't the audience be women? just...women...regardless of race and color?
There was a thread awhile back about a customer coming into the MAC store and not wanting to work with an MA because she wasn't the same race as the customer...yet the MA the customer didnt want to work with was one of the more talented ones in the store and would likely have been able to assist the customer quite well.

I'm really curious, why do women of darker pigmentation need a seperate forum and subforums to discuss amongst themselves makeup, when the entire site is dedicated to makeup for all women?

This basicly explains why all the forums in Specktra is set up the way they are..

As for the question about why have this forum at all if reccs, etc. will still be moved to their respective forums, this is something that the staff and administration has been discussing since the original request for this forum to exist. Where to draw the line. I personally am reluctant to make a reccs, cosmetic discussion, reviews, etc. sub forum for this forum. I don't want to make a mini race-specific specktra inside of specktra. I agree that the overarching audience for specktra is people who want to talk about makeup. Not even just women, but people.

As for the rationalization that this forum is a necessity and wanted so that people don't have to sift through other forums for information pertinent to your skintone, that's simply not going to hold true and already doesn't. You're still going to have to sort out the golden from the tawny from the mocha from the ebony. The asiatic skintones (which all vary greatly based on ethnic origin), from the african skintones, from the pacific islander skintones, from the latina skintones, from the... It's not just darker skintones who have to sift- we all do. I have to sift to find info that's pertinent to my transparent white skin (caused by medical condition, not my choice). Others have to sift to find things pertinent to their tan skin, or olive undertone, or cool undertone, or what have you. No matter what amount of melanin you have in your skin, what base tones you have, etc. you're going to have to sift through some information which isn't pertinent to you to find that which is.

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Question about this section --
Want to chat about the brands that work for you, or find out what works for others?
If I post what works for me -- for example, I'm NC 43 and I want to know what other brand to use for my foundation. Someone posts that I can use Chanel's medium foundation. Would this be considered a reco?

Question about this statement
Whether it's Department or Drugstore brands, talk about it here
If I posted something about Revlon or Stila, wouldn't it be moved to the forum for other makeup brands?

The way I see it is that there are lj communities dedicated towards various types of beauty. If you go to a general one, of course, there'll be people who'll help, but there's a larger concentration of x people in x_beauty community than in the general one.

I've always seen this section as a sub-section of the general cosmetics section, which doesn't include recs. To me, recs are very specific to you, whereas general discussion is pertinent to everyone, like does this collection work for darker women?

Just my two cents.

There are makeup issues specific to women of color. And while I appreciate the forum, there seems to be a lot of hostility from non-WoC toward this forum, and there is a definite disconnect between what the WoC want from the section and what non-WoC want to give. And to be perfectly honest, in light of the hostility, I am questioning what I want from this site period.

And this is not at HyperRealGurl, this is about being able to choose your audience. I am all over this site, I read information posted by all women for all things, but there are some issues that I would like addressed by women of color that not only have to do with just makeup, but the perceptions accompanying the makeup. And the majority of threads in here have been invaded by non-WoC telling WoC how to feel, what to do, and what to think about what being a WoC means. It's about self-identification vs. identifying an "other." And this boils down to who gets to determine what is important. And if you (in general) feel that what we are discussing isn't important enough to warrant our own control or at least a semblance of balance, then I would rather I know now and have you remove the board, than through some creative editing on the backend.

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I could be wrong, but I believe that this forum was created because WOC seem to have a harder time finding makeup that suits our skintone while non -WOC seem to have no problem because most of the makeup being made is geared toward non WOC. We are now just beginning to see makeup that suits WOC. I don't know how many times I have went to a drugstore and I could not find my shade. I became really fustrated at this and wondered why all makeup seemed to be geared toward non - WOC, as if WOC don't wear makeup. I love that we have a forum where we (WOC) can suggest and/or communicate to each other what makeup looks good on our skin, whether it be from a department store or drug store. This forum was not meant to be biased at all. I believe all women are welcome here. I love the fact that I can click on a forum and have all the information there that I need, rather than to search all forums for what I am looking. This forum has really helped me. By reading what works for other WOC I can now make better purchases from stores and therefore be satisfied when I get home with what I have bought. Like I said, I could be wrong but in my opinion this why there is a separate forum for WOC.

I don't know any of y'all personally but I feel bad as if my friends or family are bickering. I love all of you guys.

I understand everyone's points. Let me say this and maybe somneone can tell me if they understand/agree.

If I were to ask for a rec here, it isn't because I don't think a white person could help me or reccomend something that becomes me. I might have asked the question here because I'm assuming more women my complexion would view it. Also someone may have used a certain product on our skin and would be able to tell me how it wears. It's more of a numbers thing. I always visit this forum to see if anyone my complexion has posted something they thinks look great on them.

I can't say I visit the Recs board though. Maybe it is wrong to assume more WoC would see a rec/respond to it in BoC.

By doing this, I could have possibly missed or denied someone the opportunity to help me. They may have a friend,coworker,etc who uses/wears something that would look good on me, or they may be an artist who just worked on someone my color and would like to throw in their rec. This sums up my little perspective.