MAC Alluring Aquatic Collection (May 22, 2014)
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Beautybuyer
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Lol before shit explodes! That what happens when mac takes forever lol
Spectacular
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Don't want to step on anyone's toes, just think its an interesting topic of discussion.
To be honest when I think of professional makeup artists, those who are demanded and wanted (because lets be honest, there are degrees to artistry) I tend to think of their skill and not their tools.
Its kind of like the YouTube thing. You can have all the fancy makeup brands, and all the expensive brushes...but that skill and talent? Gosh, that's a mixture of training and art. I completely understand that when you're getting your makeup applied you want the luxury and fancy, but I also think when it comes to how you look... I've seen too many gals with the yellow triangles of doom quoting, "This is the technique that makes Kim Kardashian look stunning." but you know they know nothing about the logic behind why Kim K;s makeup artist did that or how to adapt that to a woman with a totally different face shape and tone.
Its similar to how a stylist can take $20, pick up vintage clothes, and make someone look stunning vs. someone who runs to buy all the expensive clothing and jewelry and still looks cheap. I think a true makeup artist can take drugstore items and make you look flawless and gorgeous, they can make you look stunning on the cover of that magazine and amazing at that special Academy event.
So when I think, "Would I be offended?" Honey, if you make me look good I don't give a damn. A $500 muddy face is still a muddy face. (We've all seen the poor celebs who look like they're melting at award's shows).
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I just enjoy the discussion.
Edit: Oh yeah, this isn't taking into account cost. Tbh, I want a mixture then, because what you charge me better reflect the cost of your tools and talent. I certainly won't say boo to a lower price if the end result is good, but yeah don't charge me $1000 for cheaper items because then I know I'm overpaying you.
To be honest when I think of professional makeup artists, those who are demanded and wanted (because lets be honest, there are degrees to artistry) I tend to think of their skill and not their tools.
Its kind of like the YouTube thing. You can have all the fancy makeup brands, and all the expensive brushes...but that skill and talent? Gosh, that's a mixture of training and art. I completely understand that when you're getting your makeup applied you want the luxury and fancy, but I also think when it comes to how you look... I've seen too many gals with the yellow triangles of doom quoting, "This is the technique that makes Kim Kardashian look stunning." but you know they know nothing about the logic behind why Kim K;s makeup artist did that or how to adapt that to a woman with a totally different face shape and tone.
Its similar to how a stylist can take $20, pick up vintage clothes, and make someone look stunning vs. someone who runs to buy all the expensive clothing and jewelry and still looks cheap. I think a true makeup artist can take drugstore items and make you look flawless and gorgeous, they can make you look stunning on the cover of that magazine and amazing at that special Academy event.
So when I think, "Would I be offended?" Honey, if you make me look good I don't give a damn. A $500 muddy face is still a muddy face. (We've all seen the poor celebs who look like they're melting at award's shows).
Everyone's entitled to their opinion, I just enjoy the discussion.
Edit: Oh yeah, this isn't taking into account cost. Tbh, I want a mixture then, because what you charge me better reflect the cost of your tools and talent. I certainly won't say boo to a lower price if the end result is good, but yeah don't charge me $1000 for cheaper items because then I know I'm overpaying you.
Beautybuyer
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I completely agree. That's why I said if it was someone great I probably wouldn't care. But if it was a mediocre artist I can understand the want for higher end products. I'm paying to have my younger sisters make up done this month for her prom and at the end of the day, I just want her to look amazing I don't care at what costs or what kind. I just understand both sides and on this particular discussion I don't think there's a right or wrong just personal preference
I for one can say give me all DS or tom ford and you're going to look like a muddy creepy clown LOL
PixieDancer
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No toe stepping at all! GREAT POINTS! I completely agree I want an amazing face done by my MUA! NO amount of high end products will ever replace skill... EVER! And I'm positively certain both @erine1881 and @pemily could both beat the hell out of a face with the crappiest of drugstore wares. However, a lot of times your products do the initial talking. I would be much more hesitant in hiring a MUA with DS items in their kit than one that has high end. It just makes me feel more at ease with their professionalism to see professional products. Also makes me feel secure in the fact that I'm not getting a beginner just starting out and building their kit slowly. Maybe for a smaller event or an everyday session it'd be more accepted, but for large company sets or a high dollar wedding party, I want the best that my money can buy and your kit has to offer.
Medgal07
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Mine too Mac-Guy---I'm getting zip! I think my MAC mojo was surgically removed, without my knowledge
User38
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<retreats to corner..
I don't think the product makes any difference in the finale of a mu app.. actually many famous mu artists use all sorts of materials, products, potted/depotted etc. to create the most magnificent looks.
HE is for most of us snobby creatures who think that we will look better or be on TV IF products like TF or Guerlain are used on them.
Beauty is about perception... Kevyn Aucoin.
I don't think the product makes any difference in the finale of a mu app.. actually many famous mu artists use all sorts of materials, products, potted/depotted etc. to create the most magnificent looks.
HE is for most of us snobby creatures who think that we will look better or be on TV IF products like TF or Guerlain are used on them.
Beauty is about perception... Kevyn Aucoin.
kimibos
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@pemily i think i understand what you say. the other time i saw a youtube artist, @Monikablundermakeup use Real Techniques brushes on Jessica Alba. she does makeup in alot of well know celebrities. and i was amazed since Lisa Eldridge uses Suqqu and Chikuhodo on kate winslet and all the other celebrities she works with. so to me she is cheap, and should not be kissing Pixiwoos Butt like a youtuber using their brushes. which are good but do not compare to other well known brands. and i know people are going to disagree with me. but then Jessica alba is not paying $50.
My problem with your comment was that you said that using Drugstore products could Give Clients Diseases. i disagree.
in my opinion that would happen if the makeup artists does not sanitizes the products after each client. and could also happen with High End Makeup.
i also agree with the ones that think that makeup artist should be able to make Drugstore look like chanel. since its all about the techniques, and knowledge he/she has.
Im grown so there for i apologize if i made you feel bad with my comment regarding Drugstore makeup.
My problem with your comment was that you said that using Drugstore products could Give Clients Diseases. i disagree.
in my opinion that would happen if the makeup artists does not sanitizes the products after each client. and could also happen with High End Makeup.
i also agree with the ones that think that makeup artist should be able to make Drugstore look like chanel. since its all about the techniques, and knowledge he/she has.
Im grown so there for i apologize if i made you feel bad with my comment regarding Drugstore makeup.
Spectacular
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Whooo, good to know we're all calm and happy here, lol.
Sometimes people think a discussion is a fight, and it sucks since I really like discussions.
One of the reasons I gravitated towards higher end makeup was because at the time (early 90's) drugstore makeup was very unfriendly towards WOC. So it helped to be able to go somewhere where I could play with a shade, test a lipstick, and see for sure how I looked. This was also around the time before returns were accepted at drug stores so I was stuck with 50 shades of Tyrone Biggums nude.
These days though you def. see drugstores have stepped up their game. They're appealing to all skin tones, have much stronger pigmentation, and are trying to make sure they try to create more unique products and unique makeup styles.
When we get down to it too we have to keep in mind the difference between the cost to manufacture and the price sold, its perfectly acceptable for any company to set their own price, but that price doesn't necessarily reflect quality. I won't say I can totally replace every higher end item I have with a drugstore dupe, and MAC is my lover for certain items but I'm also realizing the price and name doesn't mean the end all be all.
MAC blushes were my world till I found La Femme, I'm also into a lot of professional/costume brands of makeup and they're usually cheaper than department store stuff but damn if Graftobian don't make me look flawless and Ben Nye make a really good 'naked' palette.
Its all about someone's personal taste and quality.
Sometimes people think a discussion is a fight, and it sucks since I really like discussions.
One of the reasons I gravitated towards higher end makeup was because at the time (early 90's) drugstore makeup was very unfriendly towards WOC. So it helped to be able to go somewhere where I could play with a shade, test a lipstick, and see for sure how I looked. This was also around the time before returns were accepted at drug stores so I was stuck with 50 shades of Tyrone Biggums nude.
These days though you def. see drugstores have stepped up their game. They're appealing to all skin tones, have much stronger pigmentation, and are trying to make sure they try to create more unique products and unique makeup styles.
When we get down to it too we have to keep in mind the difference between the cost to manufacture and the price sold, its perfectly acceptable for any company to set their own price, but that price doesn't necessarily reflect quality. I won't say I can totally replace every higher end item I have with a drugstore dupe, and MAC is my lover for certain items but I'm also realizing the price and name doesn't mean the end all be all.
MAC blushes were my world till I found La Femme, I'm also into a lot of professional/costume brands of makeup and they're usually cheaper than department store stuff but damn if Graftobian don't make me look flawless and Ben Nye make a really good 'naked' palette.
Its all about someone's personal taste and quality.
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PixieDancer
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I agree! I was more defending the perception of DS items in a professional kit.<retreats to corner..
I don't think the product makes any difference in the finale of a mu app.. actually many famous mu artists use all sorts of materials, products, potted/depotted etc. to create the most magnificent looks.
HE is for most of us snobby creatures who think that we will look better or be on TV IF products like TF or Guerlain are used on them.
Beauty is about perception... Kevyn Aucoin.
A MUA lays out a lot of their items in their initial set up at a job. Don't think that those (actresses/ actors, models, etc.) "snobby creatures" aren't peeking at your stuff. They are. And they discuss them among themselves. And they WILL cost you your job. I've seen it.
I could be the best person interviewing for a job, but if I show up in an inappropriate outfit, I'll be judged before I'm even spoken to. That's the world we live in, sadly enough. I don't think there's anything wrong with a MUA wanting to provide their clients with the best products on the market. And HE is the professional, standard perception of the best, whether it's true or not.
Trust me, I've seen it go both ways too... there was a MUA that toted around airbrush machines and a huge stash of the nicest makeup I had ever seen... and I had to have a shoot competely re-done due to her lack of skills. So, in some cases, people think that their makeup will do the work for them, and it doesn't. The SKILL is of prime importance, no doubt.
elegant-one
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I'm a snob.................but just in the MU world<retreats to corner..
I don't think the product makes any difference in the finale of a mu app.. actually many famous mu artists use all sorts of materials, products, potted/depotted etc. to create the most magnificent looks.
HE is for most of us snobby creatures who think that we will look better or be on TV IF products like TF or Guerlain are used on them.
Beauty is about perception... Kevyn Aucoin.
User38
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me too.. but that would not stop me if Pat McGrath did my mu with crayolasI'm a snob.................but just in the MU world
miss0annette
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PixieDancer
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Nicely done @kimibos! You're such a doll!
And you're absolutely right, ANY product can spread an infection if not sanitized properly. Germs aren't "snobby creatures" when it comes to what products to infect! HeeHee (@HerGreyness I'm enjoying this phrase A LOT!)
I think there's just a perception of lower standards with DS because of the fact that they are often not sealed and kept from being tampered with by shoppers. I personally ONLY buy DS online. That's the only way I can hopefully prevent getting a tainted product. DS makeup departments are NASTY! Even at Ulta!
kimibos
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a youtube just posted a video of how to make crayolas into lipsticks. likeme too.. but that would not stop me if Pat McGrath did my mu with crayolas
i just dont understand it. is not like she has no lipticks. huh
PixieDancer
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LOL I saw this the other day! Didn't watch it but was like "WTF!?" Who would even think to try that!?a youtube just posted a video of how to make crayolas into lipsticks. likei have 80 mac lipticks, and then i can find the for $1.50 at the drugstore.
i just dont understand it. is not like she has no lipticks. huh
