2008 Presidential Candidates Comparison ( Side By side)... DOn't know what to think.

[purrtykitty]

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Originally Posted by TISH1127 Well unless you make over 250K a year .....I don't see where this affects you...If you do in this day and time I salute you for a job well done!!!.

No, I don't, but I still don't think it is fair for those who are making that to fork over a higher percentage. I'd love to see a flat tax instituted. Then each taxpayer is solely responsible for his/her own burden. Want to pay less taxes, spend less. Want to pay more, spend more. It would be that simple.

 

[TISH1124]

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Originally Posted by purrtykitty No, I don't, but I still don't think it is fair for those who are making that to fork over a higher percentage. I'd love to see a flat tax instituted. Then each taxpayer is solely responsible for his/her own burden. Want to pay less taxes, spend less. Want to pay more, spend more. It would be that simple.

Well as previously stated we are all entitled to our opinion and we are all entitled to our *1* vote and hopefully the better man for the job will prevail.... As far as FAIR....I can't even begin to talk about the things that are so wrong with our government that the act of *FAIRNESS* has been thrown under the bus years ago....

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by TISH1127 Well as previously stated we are all entitled to our opinion and we are all entitled to our *1* vote and hopefully the better man for the job will prevail.... As far as FAIR....I can't even begin to talk about the things that are so wrong with our government that the act of *FAIRNESS* has been thrown under the bus years ago....

And what do you do if McCain turns out to be the better man?

 

[TISH1124]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer And what do you do if McCain turns out to be the better man?

I will support whichever man wins...as I have done for the past 8 yrs with Bush...and he certainly was not my President of choice. If you look back I previously stated that whomever wins out of the two...we will certainly be better off than we have been for the past 8 years. I hope that answers your question.

 

[SkylarV217]

Well Ladies , I did my Civic duty and casted my vote today =D... Then watched the debate tonight and got thoroughly irritated with BOTH sides.

I've never seen so much avoidance and "Like I've done" and So and so this ... I would love to see a political debate where questions were answered and blame wasn't passed from one hand to the other so easily .... Can't we all just work together?

I have an interesting question for you ladies ....

Would you like to see our government do away with party tickets, and you simply vote for president, making the person with the most president and the person coming in second Vice ? A lot of issue has been raised about the Vice Presidents this go around and I would like to know what you ladies think. I have truly learned a lot from 99.9 % of you in this thread and I go a lot of insight i would not have found elsewhere . Thank you all !

 

[missworld]

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Originally Posted by purrtykitty Yes, please...let all my 7 years of college and hard work be fettered away by those that just don't feel like getting a job. It's OK, I'll just continue working my ass off, because THEY deserve it.

Maybe you might like to add some context to your argument?

For a start, who are *THEY*?
Scroungers and slackers I take it, or some other scape goat reasons for avoiding social conscience!

missworld

 

[SuSana]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 Would you like to see our government do away with party tickets, and you simply vote for president, making the person with the most president and the person coming in second Vice ? A lot of issue has been raised about the Vice Presidents this go around and I would like to know what you ladies think. I have truly learned a lot from 99.9 % of you in this thread and I go a lot of insight i would not have found elsewhere . Thank you all !

Hmmm that sounds interesting but I don't think it would work. The person running for President wants to be the leader of the U.S., I don't think the VP would be happy about having to play second fiddle.

 

[purrtykitty]

"THEY" would be "those" from the previous sentence who don't feel like getting a job, or in your term, slackers. And I have plenty of social conscious, but not for slackers. Perhaps "THEY" should get a conscious and start contributing to the system "THEY" are screwing on a daily basis.

 

[kimmy]

i wish people would stop taking every damn comment in this thread so personally.

 

[lizardprincesa]

Yaaaaaaaaay!!!!! OBAMA!!!!!!!!!

XXXXXXXXXCherylFaithXXXXXXXXX
18 kisses for good luck!

Michelle looked ~Radiant~...Love Fuel for her Candidate

:heart :

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by missworld Maybe you might like to add some context to your argument? For a start, who are *THEY*? Scroungers and slackers I take it, or some other scape goat reasons for avoiding social conscience! missworld

Seriously, if a man walking across the parking lot gets in his car and as he's leaving, wrecks it...and is left without a vehicle to go to work, it's not my responsibility to fix his car for him.

That's a very very base comparison, but Christ almighty when did it become accepted to NOT take responsibility for one's own life?

 

[missworld]

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Originally Posted by kimmy my opinion isn't wrong, it's an opinion.

It is my assertion that the values you espouse with regard to health care are wrong. I will argue this point with you, because I believe in our common humanity.

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Originally Posted by kimmy i'm not condoning what she said, and it was an embarassment to the gop, BUT... this kind of verbal abuse is what she's been putting up with from the democrats since she was announced. remember the pig in lipstick comment? i suppose she just chose to fight fire with fire.

I find what she represents frightening.
In the 21st century she would have our children taught creation myths as fact. She has a laughing expression on her face like a mad woman all through a serious debate. She disrespects the intelligence of the America people with her hockey mom anecdotes. She bring to mind some scheming power mad emperor's wife like Agrippina...
I fear she would happily cast us all back into the dark ages of hate, intolerance and fear.
Needless to say I dislike her intensely, I lack the eloquence to heap sufficient abuse upon her.

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Originally Posted by kimmy it wouldn't be paid for by ALL...that's precisely the problem.

Why? You would not work for the common good for fear a few lazy people might gain something at your expense? What do you think the underpinning of civilization are? Self interest or the common good?



missworld

 

[kimmy]

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Originally Posted by missworld It is my assertion that the values you espouse with regard to health care are wrong.

just because my values are not in line with yours does not make them wrong.

 

[missworld]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Seriously, if a man walking across the parking lot gets in his car and as he's leaving, wrecks it...and is left without a vehicle to go to work, it's not my responsibility to fix his car for him. That's a very very base comparison, but Christ almighty when did it become accepted to NOT take responsibility for one's own life?

A comparison???

Lets get this clear.

It is my assertion every human being should be entitled to health care in the same way they are entitled to protection under the law. We don't question anyone's right to be protected by the police from criminality?

So you are saying; if some is without medical insurance, and they fall seriously ill, that is the equivalent of them recklessly driving their car into a wall?

Just remember one day it may be you or yours, who need the help of society in your time of need.


missworld

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by missworld Why? You would not work for the common good for fear a few lazy people might gain something at your expense? What do you think the underpinning of civilization are? Self interest or the common good? missworld

Self interest all the way.
This is a nation of opportunities and growth. This is a nation of unbelievable strength, opportunity, and full of the reality that a man can become whatever a man wants to be come.
This is a nation where the very basic of freedoms are what ensures the common good...because every man woman and child in this nation has the opportunity to become whatever s/he can dream to become.

Raise the children to dream, reach, strive, and aspire for great things. THAT is what will benefit the common good, because by the children growing into good people who are willing to work hard for what they can reach in life our nation is strong.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by missworld A comparison??? Lets get this clear. It is my assertion every human being should be entitled to health care in the same way they are entitled to protection under the law. We don't question anyone right to be protected by the police from criminality? So you are saying; if some is without medical insurance, and they fall seriously ill, that is the equivalent of them recklessly driving their car into a car park wall? Just remember one day it may be you or yours, who need the help of society in your time of need. missworld

well, be sure to live your life like there is a God, you don't want to be wrong.

 

[missworld]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer well, be sure to live your life like there is a God, you don't want to be wrong.

That would be quite clever if you hadn't missed the point entirely.

But it does not say much for your values! If I read you correctly, you are saying you believe you and yours will be safe by the results of your own hard work, you will be safe with the present health care system and you don't give a f*** if others aren't
For the record me and mine all have excellent health insurance, but I find the whole concept to be morally wrong!


missworld

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer And what do you do if McCain turns out to be the better man?

Unfortunately, all I could see Tonight was a man who seemed...weak....more weak than he seemed during the last debate. At first, I said to my husband, "I'd like to offer him a cup of tea." As the debate continued, as the last time, all I could feel from him was "Military, War, Military, War..."

Many men who are McCain's age and older, seem quite a bit younger. My 92-yr-old grandmother seems younger and stronger than Senator McCain.
I am truly concerned about this man.

I am terrified that he could be the only person in our Gov't with the power to declare War.

Yes, Shimmer, maybe he is stronger when it comes to war. I say this with all due respect, as I believe your family is a military family , and I actually have you & your beloveds in my prayers all the time, (believe it or not....it's up to you, Shimmer...I do care about you.)

i certainly ain't no saint...But I was a teensy tiny little girl who lived 5 minutes away from where the original Woodstock Festival took place. I was way too young to see anything but Hair Hair Hair, giant hippy people, thronging the streets of my town, coming into my grandmother's store for supplies...I was really little, but i think I caught a Vibe (yes, laugh at me...it's really ok.)
BUT, altho I am extremely flawed by my own admission,
I care about everybody. I try so hard to see good in this World. I pray for the people fighting overseas. I wish they weren't over there, tho. Of course, I don't believe we should have ever gone in; anyone who knows me already knows that...BUT....I love the people who are over there, as well as worrying about & praying for their families here, at home. I pray for their safe returns.

I am thrilled my son will probably never be eligible to be in the Armed Forces, although I can already see that testosterone flaring its head, & he's not even 5!
But I don't think the Military accepts people who have Down's Syndrome.
(Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.)

I lost a friend and an ex-student of mine. He died in Afghanistan in 2003, shortly after my son was born. I knew him when he came to this country from Mexico City, as a little boy. He died when shrapnel hit him from a roadside bomb. He died for a great country of which he wanted to be a part. He believed in this country so much, he went overseas to fight.
His grieving parents had to pay for him to become an American citizen, which was his Dream. They had to pay the US Govt. money posthumously.
20-yr-old Irving was already cold in the ground.

I don't know what is not right about Senator McCain, besides the fact that he seems to be ONLY about war....I no longer want to offer him a cup of tea. I hope his wife makes him something lovely & he goes home & rests & doesn't take out his toy soldiers this Night- I am afraid they may push him over the edge. I am afraid that because he was tortured, perhaps he might snap, if he were to be elected Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces.
A threat could be made "somewhere in the world," & he might just push the wrong button.

Senator McCain, what is wrong? I do not believe you are the right man for this job, as you seem unwell. I think this campaign is hurting you personally, and you do have a family who loves you.

Peace.

Shimmer, I have no wish to argue with you.

CherylFaith
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[kimmy]

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa I don't know what is not right about Senator McCain, besides the fact that he seems to be ONLY about war....I no longer want to offer him a cup of tea. I hope his wife makes him something lovely & he goes home & rests & doesn't take out his toy soldiers this Night- I am afraid they may push him over the edge. I am afraid that because he was tortured, perhaps he might snap, if he were to be elected Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces. A threat could be made "somewhere in the world," & he might just push the wrong button.[/center]

i think it's kind of disrespectful to think that mccain is mentally unstable because he endured torture in service to his country, to be honest. i'm sure that's not how you meant it, but i just feel like alot of people take points from him because of that and i think it's really sad.

 

[missworld]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Self interest all the way.

That's sad. Think of the countless sacrifices of others that have made possible the life you live today.

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Originally Posted by Shimmer This is a nation of opportunities and growth. This is a nation of unbelievable strength, opportunity, and full of the reality that a man can become whatever a man wants to be come. This is a nation where the very basic of freedoms are what ensures the common good...because every man woman and child in this nation has the opportunity to become whatever s/he can dream to become. Raise the children to dream, reach, strive, and aspire for great things. THAT is what will benefit the common good, because by the children growing into good people who are willing to work hard for what they can reach in life our nation is strong.

Jingoistic rhetoric.

Fact Quote "Nearly 47 million Americans, or 16 percent of the population, were without health insurance in 2005, the latest government data available"

Is that the American dream?

You talk about values you wish to pass to your children, then examine your own. You are happy to live in a society that lets a fellow human being die from a curable illness because they haven't been able, for WHATEVER reason, to obtain sufficient medical insurance?

If this is the case you are morally bankrupt.

missworld