Airtran (I think) asks family to get off of plane after 3 year old throws a temper r

Hawkeye

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tantrum.

The kid wouldn't sit still and she threw a fit and the Stewardess kicked the family off the plane.

Polls have had overwhelming support of the airline. I just gotta say it's about time. Will come back with a link later
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Deirdre

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Yeah, I know it's not a popular opinion (although, it sounds like times are a-changin'), but I have been in situations like that (outacontrolkidwho-ought-toknowbetter!) - so I'm kind of glad to see this.

I had a five year old run up and hit me one time in a store. She and her dad left with their tails between their legs when I was done. I went eye-to-eye with her and said, very quietly: "never, ever hit a stranger. You could get hurt very badly doing that."

I'm sick of bad parenting.
 

f1rewater

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Good on the airline. I'm not surpised a lot of people are backing them up on this one, I'm sure there are a lot of us who are fed up with parents who never discipline their children.
 

redambition

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i'm unsure on this.

if the parents were the type who do discipline their children, but the child was having a tantrum, whch the parents were trying to control and stop, then i think the airline was in the wrong.

if the child was having a tantrum and the parents didn't care, weren't trying to calm the child down etc, then good on the airline.
 

MAC_Whore

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I look at it a couple of ways.

I know first hand how much travel sucks. I have done a lot of it. I am sure that it is a special challenge with a toddler. I know I get tired and cranky and want to throw tantrums, so I can only imaging how a yound child feels. That being said..

If this was a little tasmanian devil of a toddler who threw these tantrums all the time and the parents are usually indifferent to it, then that is what they get for not addressing a problem.

On the other hand, maybe they are super parents and that is a wonderfully-behaved child who had an out-of-charecter tantrum. I still think they should have been asked to leave.

I do know that the family was trying to calm the child down. That's great they were making attempts, but it didn't change the sitation any.

There are a couple of issues here. Safety and dollars. First and foremost, safety. We can all appreciate the safety issues. I don't think I need to go into how important it is to have control over the aircraft.

Next is the dollars. Airlines have been financially tanking for years. 9-11 made it abysmally worse. With the skeleton schedules, crews and resources that they run on now, they can't afford flights to be held up. Not to mention that the airlines don't usually wait for passengers, regardless of the issue, so why should the airlines wait for this family?

The airlines gave the family tickets on another flight, so the family wasn't out anything.

I think the airlines made the right choice in asking them to leave. Two things that I pondered though. ONE: If I, as an adult did that, I would be in jail and out the price of a ticket. TWO: If the airlines can charge bigger people money for two seats, then should they have given this family their money back?
 

sharyn

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Go Airtran.

I'm sick of parents who somehow manage to act like the Dalai Lama when their kid is simply out of control. ´

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Beauty Mark

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I'm surprised there's so much support. I'm glad. It sucks that they weren't able to go on their flight, but it's a big issue of safety that the kid couldn't sit still (the tantrum part would be an annoyance.)

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I think the airlines made the right choice in asking them to leave. Two things that I pondered though. ONE: If I, as an adult did that, I would be in jail and out the price of a ticket. TWO: If the airlines can charge bigger people money for two seats, then should they have given this family their money back?

For 1, I don't think you can jail a child or parent for allowing a child to throw a tantrum on a plane. I only think that you'd be jailed as a grown person if you refused to leave the flight. For 2, if the airline filled those seats somehow and didn't have to bump people in the next flight, I don't think they should be charged anything extra. You're still flying out the same number of people regardless.
 

Shimmer

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Good.
And, the family is just being stupid.
Their kid was being a pain. It happens. I've got four of the mongrels...they do it. Either you handle it and defuse the situation or you remove them from the situation.
They honestly shouldbe grateful for the compensation they were offered by the airline.
 

Hawkeye

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I gotta admit I am thrilled to death by the polls. I am hoping that this is beginning to start a trend in America. Back before the "hippy movement" (and I'm not saying that as a bad thing it was a movement that needed happening)-you did not have as many out of control parents to allow children to be out of control. Once the movement began we took it to the other extream. I'm hoping with these polls Americans are realizing- wow maybe we need to do something with our kids etc.

But definately I applaud airtran. THey definately did the right thing!
 

macslut

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From what I understand, the child was under the seat and would not come out. I have no clue why the parents would not just grab the child and hold the kid in the seat but they didn't do that. The plane was held up for more than 15 minutes. It was either get rid of this kid or not take off. Why should the other (from what I understand) 115 other people suffer for this kid?

And the next day, the family got free airline tickets to anywhere they wanted to go. They didn't suffer all that much.
 

Beauty Mark

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From what I understand, the child was under the seat and would not come out. I have no clue why the parents would not just grab the child and hold the kid in the seat but they didn't do that. The plane was held up for more than 15 minutes. It was either get rid of this kid or not take off. Why should the other (from what I understand) 115 other people suffer for this kid?

And the next day, the family got free airline tickets to anywhere they wanted to go. They didn't suffer all that much.


Part of me wonders if the family threatened to sue or do something crazy that would make the airline look bad, which is why they received free tickets.
 

*Stargazer*

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Amen to everything Shimmer said. Last time I checked, I outweighed my 3 year old by quite a bit. If she was going to refuse to sit in a seat, I'd hold her down in it. Sometimes you actually have to be a parent...
 

Hawkeye

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From what I understand, the child was under the seat and would not come out. I have no clue why the parents would not just grab the child and hold the kid in the seat but they didn't do that. The plane was held up for more than 15 minutes. It was either get rid of this kid or not take off. Why should the other (from what I understand) 115 other people suffer for this kid?

And the next day, the family got free airline tickets to anywhere they wanted to go. They didn't suffer all that much.


yes. I also heard that when they tried to pull her out from under the seat the child hit her parents screaming.
 

sharyn

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I'm hoping with these polls Americans are realizing- wow maybe we need to do something with our kids etc.


Germany/Europe might be even worse.

I saw a kid (maybe 4 years old) spiting on clothes in a store in my town and when the sales assistant told the mother to please keep her child from doing that the mother answered... um you know the f*** word and that she will never again shop at a place where children are not welcome. That was kinda shocking to me and I talked to my aunt about it who works in a kindergarden and she said that they have 3 year old kids who call them C***s and actually physically hurt them. I had some kid throwing rocks at my car and their parents watched them and smiled... The line has to be drawn somewhere!! I know you love your kid, I know you should not make them feel bad all the time, but when your kid acts like a huge asshole and hurts others or damages things, keep him/her from doing it!! Its a kid, not a GOD!!

sorry for the rant
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giz2000

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I wholeheartedly agree with what the airline did. The mother wanted to hold the child on her lap while the plane took off...that's just plain stupid.

That is one reason why I never traveled with my kids when they were little.
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lara

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Good on 'em. I hate dealing with that shit when I'm travelling, and I clock up some major miles every year. I've encountered more selectively deaf parents and their special snowflakes than I ever care to deal with, and I'm sick of people justifying their child's brattish or dangerous behaviour on a plane with the excuse of 'but he's just a child/he's just bored!'. Demanding to hold the kid during take-off is just another whole world of stupid.

He's just a child, but you're the parent. Deal with it as appropriate. Buy a freakin' Gameboy or something.
 

kimmy

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it's about time. parents need to take control of their children, and if they don't...then screw 'em.

people come in to my work all the time with their kids and they have absolutely no control over them. their kids are sticking their hands in things that could take their damn fingers off, and the parents just let this happen. kids throw things at my coworkers, they knock things off shelves, they break things, etc...and their parents let them do it. i really wish we could kick people out like the airline did when their kids are being a problem and they refuse to take care of it.
 

lsperry

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Well said, all.

The family should have been put off the plane. Why should others suffer because of this kid’s behavior and parents’ lack of sensibility?

I was 18 yrs old when my son was born. Well, when he came out, I grew up fast. For the 1st 8 years of his life, he had to wear corrective braces and shoes. He started wearing those braces when he was 10 months old – 24 hrs a day ‘til he was 2 ½ years old. The doctor told me he would likely cry and throw tantrums for 3 days; but that my expectations and resolve could lessen that. But he only cried for 1 day -- because I held him and loved him and let him know he did not have a choice! I said all that to say this – Children want and need discipline and directions. This equates to security for them. Having endless boundaries make them feel unloved and uncared for. Those tantrums are usually a cry for love and discipline.

When I would take my son to our company picnic every year, everyone would marvel at how well mannered and behaved he was – what with me being a single-parent. They marveled at it and I would respond that they could do the same. There was no magic to responsible parenting. He is now 32 years old and is the parent of 5 children; he and his wife have well-mannered and behaved children. [While his wife was serving in Iraq, he even combed and groomed his little girl’s hair – she’s 7. I cried with pride and joy on that one!]

I have no tolerance for parents who don’t care! What do they think? The kids are going to get some sense at 18 and grow up??!! I empathize w/people in retail or who are teachers. I always admired my sister and bother-in-law who taught 3rd and 5th graders for 35 yrs. They had some hair-raising stories to tell!

I agree with youbeabitch. This lax parenting began during the hippie movement and two generations later, we are reaping the benefits of don’t care parents.

Maybe, I’m putting a rosey picture on things, but in my day, parents were ashamed to have their children act up in public.

Nowadays, they take up for their out-of-control brats. Several years ago, a new neighbor wanted me to keep her children. She said she and her husband needed some time alone. These little ones were a terror in the neighborhood. I told her she didn’t want me to keep her children. She said why. I said because I believe in discipline and direction. She said, she and her husband didn’t know what to do when they mis-behaved. I told her – “try being their parents”….

Rant over….
 

MAC_Whore

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The problem is that kids are being raised by DVDs, the internet and Gameboys, not by parents. There seems to be much less true connection and communication between parents and children. A lot of parents can't be inconvenienced by bad behaviour from their kids. So they end of inconveniencing everyone else with it.

It all comes down to involvement and discipline. When I was a kid, I knew the rules. Period. My parents never yelled or laid a hand on me (with the exception of the occasional spanking of course). I knew not to pull that kind of shit. Even as a child!

I really wonder why alot of the parents I see bothered to have kids. They just seem so disinterested.
 

ilovexnerdsx

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The problem is that kids are being raised by DVDs, the internet and Gameboys, not by parents. There seems to be much less true connection and communication between parents and children. A lot of parents can't be inconvenienced by bad behaviour from their kids. So they end of inconveniencing everyone else with it.

It all comes down to involvement and discipline. When I was a kid, I knew the rules. Period. My parents never yelled or laid a hand on me (with the exception of the occasional spanking of course). I knew not to pull that kind of shit. Even as a child!

I really wonder why alot of the parents I see bothered to have kids. They just seem so disinterested.


i agree! my parents were very loving and i was close to both of them when i was little. i know for a fact when i was little i NEVER threw a tantrum. my mom always taught me to say nice things to people, and it paid off. i know i was a good child and i feel its still paying off today, in a world of ignorant teenagers.

there are so many uninterested parents because there is so much unprotected sex.
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