Breakdown in family unit is the reason for a fractured society

SparklingWaves

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Family life is in 'meltdown': Judge launches devastating attack on our fractured society

By STEVE DOUGHTY - More by this author » Last updated at 23:43pm on 4th April 2008 Comments
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Mr Justice Coleridge

Family breakdown is a "cancer" behind almost every evil affecting the country, a senior judge will declare today.
Mr Justice Coleridge blames youth crime, child abuse, drug addiction and binge-drinking on the "meltdown" of relations between parents and children.

He warns that the collapse of the family unit is a threat to the nation as bad as terrorism, crime, drugs or global warming.

The speech to family lawyers contains a fierce attack on the "neglect" of successive governments.
The 58-year-old judge, who is married with three grown-up children, will say family breakdown is an epidemic affecting all levels of society from the Royal Family down.

It is "on a scale, depth and breadth which few of us could have imagined even "a decade ago. It is a never-ending carnival of human misery. A ceaseless river of human distress.

"I am not saying every broken family produces dysfunctional children but I am saying that almost every dysfunctional child is the product of a broken family."
The judge, who is in charge of family courts across South-West England, will say he has a duty to speak out.
He will call on the Government to put the family at the top of its agenda, alongside the economy and the war on terror - and make it "rather more important than taking oaths of allegiance".

His speech will say: "Families are the cells which make up the body of society. If the cells are unhealthy and undernourished, or at worse cancerous and growing haphazard and out of control, in the end the body succumbs.

"In some of the more heavily populated urban areas, family life is quite frankly in meltdown or completely "unrecognizable . . . it is on an epidemic scale. In some areas of the country family life in the old sense no longer exists."
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The judge condemns families with a mother and several absentee fathers.

He says: "Single parents often do a fantastic job, but a great many, perhaps through no fault of their own, do not.
"A large number of families now consist of children being brought up by mothers who have children by a number of different fathers, none of whom take any part in their lives or support or upbringing.

"These are not isolated, one off cases. They are part of the stock-in-trade of the family courts."
Judge Coleridge has spent the past eight years presiding over cases of divorce, children in care and family break-up.

Last year he supervised courtroom attempts to negotiate a voluntary divorce agreement between Sir Paul McCartney and Heather Mills.

He will say: "Almost all society's ills can be traced directly to the collapse of family life. We all know it. Examine the background of almost every child in the care system or the youth justice system and you will discover a broken family.

"Ditto the drug addict. Ditto the binge drinker. Ditto those children who are truanting or who cannot behave at school.

"Scratch the surface of these cases and you invariably find a miserable family, overseen by a dysfunctional and fractured parental relationship - or none at all."
Calling for action before it is too late, the judge will say family breakdown is as serious as global warming.

"It is as big a threat to our society as terrorism, street crime or drugs, but far more insidious. It will be more destructive than any economic decline caused by international markets."
Mr Justice Coleridge says it is too late to help families just by bringing back tax breaks for marriage.

He sets out a five-point plan including more effort to educate parents and children on how to keep families together.

The judge also calls for higher spending on family courts, more court time for family cases and modernization of the laws on divorce and family break-up.

He will absolve any political party of sole blame for family collapse and point to neglect before Labour's time in power.

But he accuses the government of "fiddling while Rome burns" and dismisses "high sounding declarations about taking children out of poverty" as insufficient.

Latest figures show marriage rates at a historic low and divorce at a historic high.

Children from single-parent families are far more likely to do badly at school, suffer poor health, fall into crime, drug abuse, heavy drinking and teenage pregnancy.



Source: Daily Mail


Comment:

I don't find much difference from the problems discussed in this article between the U.K. and the U.S.

I feel the breakdown of the family unit is a symptom of several problems. I do agree that the breakdown of the family is a serious issue that is affecting society on many levels.
 

purrtykitty

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By and large I agree. There is of course the rare exception - children who come from poor broken homes turn out perfectly fine, and on the other end children who come from intact, weathly homes end up being devil spawn. It will just be incumbent upon those of us who are now parents and who will be in the future to ensure that our children are raised with good values and a sense of responsibility so that they might become productive members of society.
 

SparklingWaves

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People use to stay married under all sorts of conditions like adultery, battery, & alcoholism. Married for life, really did mean for life. Today, not as many follow that rule.

I remember seeing an older relative being verbal abused by her husband years ago. She never talked back to her husband. She waited on him. I understand that he was physically abusive to her as well. As the years went on, he mellowed out. He ran around on her too. But, she did stay with him. I know many women of her generation that stayed with abusive husbands.

Today, she would have left him in a flash. This guy was really mean to her years ago.

Her children did grow up and went to college. They got married and had children. So, I don't know how it would have turned out had she left the man during the abusive years.

BTW -Both of them are still living. They are in their mid-90's and they out lived their children. They get along peacefully now. He acts like he can't do without her.

(In this man's case, he gave up the alcohol).
 

Dizzy

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I agree with him, but from a bit of a different perspective.

I don't think the problem stems from a breakdown of the family unit (because divorce =/= loss of support, and single parent homes =/= loss of support), but rather the absence of the support system generally fostered by the family. Instead of learning how to socialize with people of different age groups and understanding that there is much to learn from older generations, we've got ~2-3 generations worth of people who've learned their social skills from their peers. And let's face it, kids learning from other kids can be beneficial in a proper setting, but nothing compares to the life lessons taught by older generations.

Instead of looking at broken homes as the reason, I'd see it as a catalyst. It provides the kids a route to disengage from the family structure and turn to their peers for their primary support- other kids who don't always understand the consequences of suddenly ostracizing someone for a stupid reason or kids who worry more about their self-perception in relation to the media rather than on reality, etc. Speaking strictly about America, this trend has been documented since the Post-WWII era and had a huge effect in the 60s and 70s. I'm not trying to demean the benefits of the era, but it is a product of the notion that "no good deed goes unpunished."

Basically, I'm of the thought that broken support systems have bred an environment conducive to a Lord of the Flies-esque situation. No easy fix to it either, because a mass amount of marriages doesn't mean that those systems will magically appear. To me, he's right, but he seems to talk around the root of the problem rather than just address it directly.
 

*Stargazer*

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I disagree. Maybe I see it differently than most but I think there is a drastic difference in bad parenting and "the breakdown of the family unit." To me, his lamenting the breakdown of the family unit means this guy wants us to go back to the days when Mom stayed home, Dad worked and divorce or single parenthood wasn't an option. Back when we guilted pregnant girls into giving up their babies. Sorry, not on board with that.

Any one person can be a fantastic parent and raise a fantastic child. It isn't about having the stereotypical Mom, Dad and 2.5 kids. It's about good parenting.
 

SparklingWaves

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I see it as a very complex problem and I actually agree with both points. I don't want to see people giving up their children like the old days. However, there are situations where it is best to give your child up for adoption.

It's not easy to raise children. It's a birth to death process. It never ends.

I have never met a perfect child or a perfect parent. That just doesn't exist.
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Beauty Mark

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I think children who thrive best are going to have some strong sense of family. Mom, Dad, the brother, and the two dogs and a cat may not be there, but I feel like most of my friends who are quite happy in life have a supportive community of their family. However, I do feel like it's how you've been raised. One of my best friends grew up in a single parent household. She's very close to the rest of her family. Her mother raised her properly, too.

Contrast that with an acquaintance that I had grown up with. Her family is still together. Grew up reasonably wealthy, mother could afford to stay at home. She's dropped out of school, ran away from home, robbed a bank, has had two babies to different daddies (both fathers are in jail), and now lives at home again.

People do quit very easily nowadays, and it's sad. However, I'm glad that I have the option to get a divorce if need be. I'm glad SparklingWaves' relative's story worked out well, but I personally would not want to be in any kind of abusive relationship or with someone who was unfaithful. Not only will it be mentally unhealthy most likely, you're putting your physical health and life at a risk.
 

SparklingWaves

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Ten Top reasons for divorce--

1. Lack of commitment towards marriage, sexual incompatibility and infidelity

Commitment may be lacking in one of the partners because marriage happens not always out of love. It could be seen as making a good deal and when it is found that the deal is not what he or she expected divorce happens. Besides, people looking for quick solutions cannot sustain marriage for long.

Philandering habits die hard and this leads to infidelity. People with uncontrollable libido or unhappy with his or her partner cannot be loyal to their partners. So when the wife or husband comes to know of his or her partner cheating on him or her divorce turns out to be the answer.

2. Lack of communication between spouses

Without communication no relationship can be effective. Keeping your resentments simmering within, your partner does not come to know what is happening with you and this is likely to create distance between you and your partner.

3.Abandonment, Alcohol Addiction, Substance Abuse

When one of the partners deserts his or her partner for quite some time or a longer period divorce emerges as the answer. One leaves his or her partner because of the latter’s bad habits.

Alcohol addiction and abuse prevent marital bliss because of the change in behavior pattern which makes an adverse impact upon mental peace and physical security.

4. Physical Abuse, Sexual Abuse and Emotional Abuse

These abuses are not uncommon and tolerating them is not good and a person who loves himself or herself would not put with such abuses.

5.Inability to manage or resolve conflict

Lack of maturity disables one to manage conflicts and handle personality differences or ‘irreconcilable differences’

6.Differences in personal and career goals

People who cohabit before marriage have higher rates of divorce than people who didn’t cohabit before marriage because differences become gigantic in course of time. Initial comfort before marriage was imagined to take things ahead in future but in reality it does not happen.

7. Different expectations about household tasks and financial problems

When expectations do not match it affects relationships most. This leads to personality conflict because none of them are willing to do things or are ready to sacrifice their time and comfort.

Because what one wants the other to do, the other does not do there is dissatisfaction and frustration. In such instances love becomes sour. This exacerbates with financial problems because material needs remain unfulfilled and creates discontent in the minds of both the partners as one cannot give and feels humiliated and the other is frustrated because of long standing inconveniences.


8. Intellectual Incompatibility and Inflexibility

Intellectual incompatibility creates misunderstandings. And the smarter person feels frustrated while the less intelligent partner is mad about not reaching the level of intelligence of the other and makes life miserable for himself or herself and for the others also.

9. Mental Instability or Mental Illness

Insanity does not allow space for normal communication.

10. Religious beliefs, cultural and lifestyle differences

Cultural values clash unless we are highly adaptive in nature. Orthodoxy leads to intolerance and conservatism gags the spontaneity of life. So this leads to divorce after some time of marriage.

Source: Latest News (11/19/07)

Comment: Looking over the list, I know some folks have had to deal with all of the above. Talk about depressing. #9 starts jumping to my attention. I might feel like I was losing my mind having to deal with all of that! Good grief. No judgment here. Whew!

Sorry, I don't think that I couldn't deal with all of this. To think, this is a partial list. My luggage would be calling my name. Darn, what a list!
 

SingFrAbsoltion

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I mostly agree with this. My own family has been falling apart for the past couple of years, I haven't spoken to my stepfather who lives in the same house as me for 2 years. Even my mother barely talks to him these days, I've never felt more alone in my whole life. Abuse from my stepfather has driven my family apart and the only thing that keeps me going is the urge to rub my success in his face and be able tell him to go fuck himself when I'm older and independent. But it's so hard to keep pushing myself knowing that he's judging my every move and hearing what he says to my mother about me. Dysfunctional families really do damage a person's self esteem and drive, and it's very hard to push yourself to do better in life when you have no support from the people who are supposed to be close to you.
 

Babylard

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i think i would be a pretty troubled child if I was raised in a dysfunctional home. Parenting and the way kids are raised, the home environment and tons of other factors have such an impact on who the children grow up to be.

my parents and family have really shaped the kind of person i am. when i wasn't getting a long with my family, i did drugs, hung out with bad people, rebelled.. i hated myself. i was depressed, hated school, and despised life. i used to hardly get along with my parents in early high school, until finally they came around and tried to understand me more...

my home isn't bad at all, don't get me wrong here. i just had a lot of difficulty dealing with strict parents. i can't imagine what i would do if i had abusive parents or whatnot. i wouldn't have the will, knowledge, and strength to find successes in life. i would be very, very damaged and who knows what i would unleash onto the world. if i hated myself, hated life, there would be no doubt that i hated society. whats stopping me from shooting someone?

humans are affectionate creatures. we need love to live and we need to be supported to succeed. we need to be nurtured and raised in good homes to become better, if not good, people.
 

redambition

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i have to disagree. getting rid of divorce/absent parents isn't going to solve anything.

How much of a good, happy, loving upbringing would a kid get in a household where the parents are unhappy because they don't want to be with each other?

i think it has more to do with parenting than anything else. bad parenting isn't limited broken homes and lower socio-economic status, but it can be more prevalent there.
 

ratmist

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I disagree because Daily Mail writers are a bunch of racist, homophobic, xenophobic assholes.
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SparklingWaves

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I think it's important to have a sense of stability in a family. Someone (male or female) needs to provide that for their children.

Life is hard enough. If you don't have anywhere to turn at home for a sense of stability, it makes you feel like you are just flying in the wind. Children & teens may grab the nearest thing that will feel like something secure even if it's not - any lover, a drug, or become a part of a gang. That makes sense to me. They want to fill what feels like a hole inside.

Some people may not understand this. They just judge the actions and not understand why it happens.
 

purrtykitty

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Originally Posted by SparklingWaves
I think it's important to have a sense of stability in a family. Someone (male or female) needs to provide that for their children.

Life is hard enough. If you don't have anywhere to turn at home for a sense of stability, it makes you feel like you are just flying in the wind. Children & teens may grab the nearest thing that will feel like something secure even if it's not - any lover, a drug, or become a part of a gang. That makes sense to me. They want to fill what feels like a hole inside.

Some people may not understand this. They just judge the actions and not understand why it happens.


I think that is so true. I'd hazard to guess that the majority of the kids in the juvenile system come from a dysfunctional family. If a child has a good support system at home and is in general a well-rounded person, he or she is not going to get in the type of trouble that a kid with an absentee parent might get into.

Everytime I read an article like this or about "bad parenting" or "troubled kids" I think about what I would have done differently if I were a parent. It also makes me think about the type of parent I want to be. I guess we'll see in a few years when I actually have children. I might have figured out whole new ways to screw them up.
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SparklingWaves

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SingFrAbsoltion
I mostly agree with this. My own family has been falling apart for the past couple of years, I haven't spoken to my stepfather who lives in the same house as me for 2 years. Even my mother barely talks to him these days, I've never felt more alone in my whole life. Abuse from my stepfather has driven my family apart and the only thing that keeps me going is the urge to rub my success in his face and be able tell him to go fuck himself when I'm older and independent. But it's so hard to keep pushing myself knowing that he's judging my every move and hearing what he says to my mother about me. Dysfunctional families really do damage a person's self esteem and drive, and it's very hard to push yourself to do better in life when you have no support from the people who are supposed to be close to you.

I didn't have a stepfather, but I can relate to what you are saying in many ways. My heart goes out to you. It is extremely difficult. My mother could never understand just how difficult it was for me. She never experienced what I did. Thanks for your honesty and input.
 

SparklingWaves

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I know that people say over and over again that children are not respecting adults. I can give one very good example of how that has happened in one case. I know a girl that has been raised to do just that.

She is a young teen at the moment and she is showing extreme signs of distress. She really showed signs all her life, but her parents ignored it.

I saw all this unfold as she was a toddler. Her mother left her when she was a toddler with her father. Her father is extremely reclusive.

The mother has had many boyfriends and been trying to make this girl accept them over the years as dad. Most of these guys had severe alcohol problems and one died in front of this girl from alcohol intoxication.

Of course, this is just the tip of the iceberg of what I have seen this girl go through. Emotional neglect has been severe.

I have seen Child Protection step in once too. Nothing was done.

As I said , she is a teen now. She is constantly telling lies. You can't trust anything she says. She is now hitting & cursing at her mother in foreign languages too.

I have never seen this girl have a solid foundation & the fallout is showing.

Her mother is acting like she doesn't know where any of this originated.

I see the girl's extended family cut her down all the time about how she dresses and how disrespectful she is.
 

Beauty Mark

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It's complicated why children don't always respect adults. Sometimes, there are deep psychological issues, other times people just treat their children like mini gods
 

SparklingWaves

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This thread has me thinking about several examples of families. Here was another.

I remember as a kid there was a boy that had so many toys that his parents put on rooms to their house for them. His front teeth rotted out at four from eating candy and not brushing his teeth. He was the sweetest kid to other children. His mother didn't want me or any children to play with him.

She kept feeding him sweets and buying him toys every week. She wanted him all to herself. She ran off any friends he tried to have. I always wondered what happed to him, because he was such a nice kid.

He didn't act like a God. He could have, because his mother always kept asking him what did he want everyday. She would fix whatever he thought of even if it weren't healthy. One day, he ate chocolate cake for breakfast, lunch, & dinner. The thought of it made me sick.

I wasn't much older than he and I picked up something was really wrong at his house. He seemed lonely and his mother gave me & other children mean looks. His teeth were all full of holes and black. She kept asking him, "What do you want Bobby?"

He was always sick & admitted to the hospital for serious life threatening conditions. Today, I know this was a result of his extremely poor nutrition and from other things that I saw this woman do to her son.

I wouldn't doubt that he died from a result of how she treated him.

There are some really twisted parents out there.
 
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