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Shimmer

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January 2005


A Warning For America From South Africa By Gemma Meyer


By Gemma Meyer


People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).
Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.
Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.
The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.
We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."
Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.

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Shimmer

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From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.
What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?
Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.
In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.

Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.
Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your posessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?
 

Shimmer

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I unno. It was forwarded to me, and I didn't formulate an opinion but do solicit the opinions of others.
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*Stargazer*

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There is one interesting idea from that rather odd diatribe. To me, the idea that we passively accept somethings in the hope of not rocking the boat is dead on.

That said, I think its a FAR leap to say that what happened in South Africa in the 20th century is comparable to today's US.
 

*Stargazer*

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I'd say it's a long leap, but apathy tends to speed things up.

You're right. The thing is, and I've been pondering this lately, that we live in a different world today because of the Internet. Add to that the role that the media plays nowadays, I think its virtually impossible for the US to end up on a road to the mess in South Africa. Does that make sense? There is SO much media/internet saturation that its tough to upset the status quo. At least, I think it would be.
 

Shimmer

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I think it would be tough, there is no doubt, but not impossible.


Look into the RFID that is supposed to be implemented next year.
 

Hawkeye

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I think we should heed warning.

Though I love the US and am a patriot whether anyone likes it or not, I am also aware that the american public are like sheep, we are so clueless of many affairs of the political realm often regurgitating what we hear and therefore letting it be our opinion (IE: Whatever the latest busty blond bombshell who uses simple words says.....)

And this situation is very real in Zimbabwe. When I went there a few years back I'll never forget getting detained and interogated under the gaze of Mugabe not knowing if I would be shot or not. I had to choose the people I stayed around carefully. When we got to the town I'll never forget hearing the men telling us-dont talk about what happened last night (the night we were detained and interrogated) there are plants all over the place. And I will never forget being there and seeing the faces of the people who had been raped of their freedom.

The US needs to heed this warning. Will we? Of course not. But it would be wise.
 

dovelysong

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I unno. It was forwarded to me, and I didn't formulate an opinion but do solicit the opinions of others.
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My
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was because (and I know this message is something that you were just passing on...
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) the tone seems to imply that Mr. & Mrs. (WHITE) America need to protect themselves and their "way of life" from the rest of the world.

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White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

This article seems to equate "Americans" with "White". NOT TRUE. Am I less "American" because I'm BLACK?? (eh... about 50% black... the rest of me is a mix of Native American and White... but the WORLD sees me as BLACK)

I dunno... I guess this is just an issue that I have to deal with every day of my life, so it strikes a bit of a nerve.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not upset at anyone here or lashing out... just expressing my frustration with the sentiment of the article.
 

NutMeg

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Reading this article made me feel a combination of hilarity, anger, and a little bit of disgust. I got the very strong feeling that the woman who wrote this is racist herself. She mockingly refers to the 'majority' (obviously black) and the way they took over 'our' (meaning her) country. Yeah, the white people have been in South Africa for hundreds of years, but the black people have been there since the dawn of time. Ever heard of democracy? Like it or not, the majority does rule, even if they are black and you don't like that. She also says that the 'majority' used 'excuses of racism' to justify their take over of the country. This particular quote made my blood boil.

"We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history."

The white minority did not loose their damn country!! It isn't all theirs, and now they have to share it with the people who were there first. That isn't loosing. Unrelenting charges of racism and opression? Hmm, let me think, maybe that was because the previous administration was racist and opressed black people? And what's this about white man's weakness being a belief in the equality of man? First of all that's an incredibly racist view right there. I know a fair amount of white people (and she was being sexist!! White women do have a role in the world too) who don't believe in equality. Notably conservatists (not a political jab or anything, it's just a fact) and people who promote racism and other types of prejudice (again not another jab at conservatists, sorry about the way that sounds). Aside from all of that, what is wrong with a belief in the equality of man, excuse me, people??? Why should the black people of South Africa be less than equal to the white ones? And what's wrong with loving your neighbour? It sure solves alot of conflicts.

Here's another quote that bugs me.

"Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again."

Why do you need dominance over the black population? I personally think that whole viewpoint is incredibly wrong.

Here's another one.

"What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?
Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols."


Ok, for starters in a democracy when the majority rules, they rule. The fact that they are non-white doesn't matter one little bit. And in fact, I think very few people would bother to check. The majority votes one way, that's what happens!! Anything else goes against the political beliefs of both Canada and the US (I forgot to mention that I am Canadian). The second part of this paragraph doesn't apply to Canada because we only had slaves in this country for a couple decades after the American revolution (the Loyalists came over and brought slaves, up until then we hadn't needed a law against it). But again, if the majority votes to change the currency, so be it. The final line of this paragraph really gets me. Read it again. Again lady, the majority rules regardless of race, and they weren't YOUR national symbols, they were everyone's, and not everyone liked them. Oh and the national language was English was it not? A language that only a small percentage (the white percentage) spoke? No wonder they changed it to the language that they actually speak.

Another thing about this article is that she talks about immigrants like they and their descendants don't have a right to decisions about the country they live in. I am a first and second generation Canadian. My mum wasn't born here, my dad was but his parents weren't. How am I any different from the obviously black/non-white immigrants she is talking about? How is it that I as a white English speaker have more of a right to make decisions about my country than someone who is say from India and has been here for forty years? If someone lives in Canada, was born in Canada, has a Canadian citizenship, then they are Canadian and have every much a right to make decisions about their country as everyone else. The same thing goes for the States. If someday my country has a black majority, then that is the way my country will be. What a blatantly ignorant and racist article.

Oh and another fact that she failed to recognize is that revolutions don't tend to happen when you don't oppress people. Look at the States, Russia before 1917. Then look at Canada. We weren't nearly as regulated by Britain as the States were, and we separated peacefully a hundred years later. As long as you treat people in a humane manner, don't let them starve, don't deny them their human rights, they probably won't blow up their own government buildings.

Sorry for the rant but this really bothered me.
 

*Stargazer*

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I also got the vibe from the author that she was just a teeny bit racist...

It struck me as odd that she would compare the situation because you can't say that white South Africans and the opression of apartheid are at all similar to Americans and Hispanics (who she brings up as some sort of crazy mob). To me, we have nothing closely resembling the apartheid system of South Africa here in the US in the present time.
 

Hawkeye

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I guess I wasn't reading that much into it-I was reading more into we need to protect our culture and freedoms. But I did get a hint with the white people thing. Eh she probably is racist. It's those who are racist that you just gotta realize they are missing out on meeting a whole lot of amazing people
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