Do MAC MA's REALLY hate it when we return things?

slogirl

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I have relationships with the a few MA at my local MAC store and the same with some of the people who work at Sephora - they all know I spend a ton of $$ and it is pretty rare that I will return (really exchange) an item . I don't feel too bad because I go back with in few days and find something great instead.
 

Meryl

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Originally Posted by Mabelle
i admit, i returned "talent pool" the other day. After i brought it home i realized it looked a lot like blue absienth, which i dont use all that much. I told the mua that i never opened in. never swatched it and to pleassseee not throw it out. She said that with shadows its pretty easy to tell him something had been used or not. She looked at it, and said that it obviously hadnt been used, and put it back.

I did an exchange anyway, but i just hate doing returns if i think a perfect good product will go to waste because i made a bad call.


I thought that MAC didn't allow that? What if someone, not you of course, had opened it, had a cold and sneezed on it... still not used, but still contaminated... Far fetched example, I realize...

Not trying t be mean... just thought that MAC had a very strict policy?
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Meryl

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Originally Posted by Sass E
I recently started using MAC again at the launch of the Naughty Nauticals release, I went in there with an idea of what I wanted to buy already and to maybe add a few things after my "appointment". I must say that the MUA that did my make up didn't listen to me at all, even after asking me what look I was I was hoping to achieve at my appointment!..lol. She didn't use any of the products for the look I asked for and when I voiced my concern about the foundation match she just ignored me. I bought $100 worth of items only to find when I got home that she put in the products SHE thought worked on me not the ones I had asked for. I wanted an NC40 studio fix fluid and she put in an NC35. She also put in the Loose Mineralized Foundation (the one with the puff) instead of the med/dark translucent finishing powder. I was so upset after I realized what she had done. I also had asked for a Spice lip liner. Granted I haven't used MAC in a really long time so I had no idea they had changed the color formula so that went back as well. I did go to a different counter and after asking for foundation samples and meeting a much nicer MUA, I eventually got what I needed. I just don't see why I should have to sit on $100?

I've read a lot of these responses and I must say that I am surprised that the general tone is to make those of us who do legitimate returns feel bad about it or talk us into keeping an item because returns get trashed and sales numbers are reduced. I'm not trying to be harsh but that's standard for MUC's and retail sales overall.

My husband is in sales and when items are returned they are destroyed or used as samples (like brushes) and his commission earned for that sale is deducted from his paycheck. Unlike you ladies/gents he doesn't get a chance to make up that number if a return is made.

My husband leaves our home 6 days a week and works hard for the pay check he earns every month and if I'm spending that hard earned money I want to get the best value/product for the amount I'm spending. More importantly the product I am seeking not what someone is trying to force on me. I know this is an audacious post for a newbie but it's very disheartening to see such banter.


Sass E, I understand what you're saying and I agree.
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I try to never return... but I like the fact that I can, if I had to. That's why I love MAC... they want us to be happy with our purchases and have a very generous return policy. I could shop anywhere else... but don't for that reason.
 

ms_bloom

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Originally Posted by II3rinII
if you buy from girl "x" and then return it , the return is in her name, those numbers go to corporate, without a reason attatched. so to corporate she looks like a bad salesperson when she has continuos returns, no matter the reason behind it. her numbers and AUS could suffer, and these are things that artist get written up for. i know you say you usually buy more, but it doesnt even out. for instance, back when i was at a counter a lady bought studio tech from me, turns the corner and realizes fashion fair is behind us and wants to return the tech and go get fashion fair. so it was the first transaction, when i sold it to her my sales were $25, when i did the return, my sales didnt go back down to 0, they went to -$25, so now im in the hole, so the next foundation i sold only brought me back up to 0. it was really annoying. our numbers are important to us, because thats what corporate sees. we dont take the return personal - we just know it affects us when it comes time for reveiws. try to be more carefull when you shop, every return has to be trashed, waisted product leads to price increases (which just went into effect this week, everything is up either .50 or $1).

Am I missing a step? Why does the return count for double - so that your total goes from $25 to -$25? That doesn't seem fair at all.

On another note, Australia's (and eBay's!) restricted return policies have led me to an interesting discovery ... what I dislike today, I may not dislike later on. I've bought a pink blush (Angel) that turned orangey, swapped it away, and later bought it again - no orange. Loved it. Now it's discontinued
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Bought the #217 based on everyone's raves, couldn't make it work for me. Put it away. Found it again later on ... and now I love it. Yeah, I'm weird
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DirtyPlum

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Originally Posted by Sass E

If returns are looked down upon, why does MAC offer a return policy at all?


Because MAC doesnt look down upon returns, some of the ppl who have contributed to this thread, have looked down upon returns.

There's a HUGE difference.

Specktra is not MAC or run by them in any way at all! Sometimes I think a lot of ppl miss that! Not directed at u personally Sass E.
 

mochajavalatte

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A lot of people forget also that MAC is subject to the return policy of the store that carries their product. They are simply vendors. If MAC doesn't agree to the return policy of said department store, they're not going to offer the product! I read this WHOLE thing and I think the general consensus is this: A) be a savvy shopper! 'nuff said b) DO NOT feel guilty returning something that was either artist mistake (yes we're human) or that just didn't work in real life for you, it would be nice if you swapped it out for something else so that MA doesn't 'lose a sale' but by all means it's NOT required.
There are people out there who do return for illegitimate reasons; i.e. they steal testers. HOWEVER, I also know that our stores have a Loss Prevention department and it's their job to police them and MY JOB to alert them. SO if I KNOW something ain't right with a return I call my supervisor or LP. Those of us who have legitimate returns, don't feel bad,don't feel guilty. I had to suck up a $300 return one time in one day~what can ya do? It was FUN coming in that afternoon and I was -$300!! Yep! we go 'in the hole', not down to zero when there's a return. If you figure you start the day at $0 and have $0 in sales-you're at $0. Then the next transaction on your sales # is a return of $25 you are now negative $25...I hope that makes sense...And yes, we DO just have to throw all that perfectly fine product away
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That MA who looked at the eyeshadow, deemed it unused and put it back on the shelf??? SHAME ON HER! BAD MA! LOL
 

NatalieMT

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I've never returned an item of makeup. To be honest the thought has never really crossed my mind. Most of the stuff I've bought I really thought carefully about before handing over the cash. So in that sense I've never really bought something I absolutely don't like. I guess I'm quite money concious though.

The only time I've had an issue was when I was new to the whole MAC thing. I wanted a repeat foundation, I knew the name of the foundation I wanted but all I knew was the shade was 15. I was sold NW15 rather than NC15, an let me tell you it was totally orange. I just gave it to my mum though because she's slightly tanned.

I think I'd always rather swap makeup I didn't want with someone else who would appreciate it more and get something in return I liked.

I don't think returning things is 'wrong' or anything like that, personally I just don't like to do it. Sure I've returned things like clothes in the past that didn't fit because sometimes it's hard to judge, but with that I know all they're going to do is resell it. I think it's really bad that MAC must throw returns away. I mean I understand why but it seems like such a waste.
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I think they should have a policy like they do with pierced jewellery - you cannot return it because it's been on your body etc.
 

Sass E

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Originally Posted by mochajavalatte
A lot of people forget also that MAC is subject to the return policy of the store that carries their product. They are simply vendors. If MAC doesn't agree to the return policy of said department store, they're not going to offer the product! I read this WHOLE thing and I think the general consensus is this: A) be a savvy shopper! 'nuff said b) DO NOT feel guilty returning something that was either artist mistake (yes we're human) or that just didn't work in real life for you, it would be nice if you swapped it out for something else so that MA doesn't 'lose a sale' but by all means it's NOT required.
There are people out there who do return for illegitimate reasons; i.e. they steal testers. HOWEVER, I also know that our stores have a Loss Prevention department and it's their job to police them and MY JOB to alert them. SO if I KNOW something ain't right with a return I call my supervisor or LP. Those of us who have legitimate returns, don't feel bad,don't feel guilty. I had to suck up a $300 return one time in one day~what can ya do? It was FUN coming in that afternoon and I was -$300!! Yep! we go 'in the hole', not down to zero when there's a return. If you figure you start the day at $0 and have $0 in sales-you're at $0. Then the next transaction on your sales # is a return of $25 you are now negative $25...I hope that makes sense...And yes, we DO just have to throw all that perfectly fine product away
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That MA who looked at the eyeshadow, deemed it unused and put it back on the shelf??? SHAME ON HER! BAD MA! LOL


Mocha..Thank you, that's a great perspective and I appreciate your response.
 

MILFY

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Here is Aussie, we aren't allowed to return things because of a change of mind. I know I love 99% of what I buy but there is the odd thing that I think "why did I get that?" and would love to take it back but we can't.
 

doll.face

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I've never had this problem. I haven't returned too many things though. The other day I returned a lipstick because I was given the wrong color. I wasn't asked if I used it or not but I would've said yes since I did test it out.
 

kmae

Member
I returned something once... it was one of their foundations with spf. I really like the way it looked on me but when I got home my face was burning... allergic rxn. I went back the next day to return it and told them what happened. The MA doing the return seemed really rude about it as if she didn't believe me.

I didn't even know they gave samples until today! Anyway I don't use any type of MAC foundation in fear of getting another rxn because it takes days to weeks for it to subside. I only go for l/s and e/s.
 

II3rinII

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ugh!! earlier this week i had a banging day! i had the highest sales and AUS and made my daily goal. the next day however a lday i helped the day before called in the morning asking if i was there, my co-worker said i wasnt, she asked when i was coming in she said she couldnt give that info. the lady then said "i bought a lotta stuff from her yesturday and i got home and it broke me out..." so kendra said "do you have your receipt?" she said she did and then kendra (cuz shes not one to hold back) said "so your trying to come in here before erin then right?" and the lady said yes! she came back and returned all $132 her face did not look broken out, she basically had a case of buyers remorse. what sucks is, i didnt push anything on her, she came in saying she wanted a lip color and something for the eyes as i was trying some lip shades on her she kept hinting towards having her face done up, she was older, probably 60, so i did a simple but pretty look on her and gave her some tips. i never pushed the products it was her who started pointing at everything i used saying she wanted it. when i rang her up she gasped at the price but never said "well let me put such and such back" there were even a few items that i wrote down for her "for next time" so she wasnt pressured to buy all at once, she couldve just gotten the eyeshadow and lip gloss like she originally planned. she even said she usually wears walmart makeup... so here she comes the very next day claiming "it" broke her out (pretty sure it was a lie, why return everything if one thing broke you out, i mean if a foundation broke me out i wouldnt return the gloss and shadow ya know) anyway i came in that day in the hole my AUS was a -$132 and so were my sales. it didnt help that it was an extremely slowwwwwwww day and all i was getting was little one item sales, it took most of the day to get out of the hole, so it had me in a bad mood. these are the returns we are talking about. i will gladly take back an honest/legitimate return. but please dont lie or make something up. if you spent to much id rather hear that, at least i know then it wasnt my fault youre returning the items.
 

II3rinII

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Originally Posted by kmae
I returned something once... it was one of their foundations with spf. I really like the way it looked on me but when I got home my face was burning... allergic rxn. I went back the next day to return it and told them what happened. The MA doing the return seemed really rude about it as if she didn't believe me.

I didn't even know they gave samples until today! Anyway I don't use any type of MAC foundation in fear of getting another rxn because it takes days to weeks for it to subside. I only go for l/s and e/s.


was it select spf? i had the same reaction, it contains bismuth oxichloride. not all our foundations have it though. if your skin is sensitive, samples are the way to go!
 

TRASHdecor

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I returned talent pool e/s because it was given to me as a gift. I have aquadisiac and steamy I heard they are pretty similar and to tell you the truth I wasnt really interested in another blue/green color. Well anyways when I went to a counterthats what I told the MA, she gave me the hugesst attitude! She was all like Talent Pool looks NOTHING LIKE THOSE SHADES. I saw swatches online, here on specktra. And she was all like stuff you see online looks nothing like in real life! This is a LE item! you can never get it again

I WAS LIKE OMG LEAVE ME ALONE. LOL So thats my only returning story.

Oh and...
When an item is returned and tossed, where do they go? Literally a garbage? Or back to MAC headquaters?

And the item I returned was bought in a Macy's in Pennsylvania, and I returned it to a Florida Macy's. Does the original MA still get affected by it?
 

Almost black.

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Originally Posted by MacArtist
I don't mind legitimate returns at all, I realize that some things just don't work for certain people. What bothers me is when people lie about why they're returning it and when people constantly return items at our location that they bought at another location out of embarassment. lol

A lot of people will say they had a 'reaction' to the makeup and while I do believe that some may be allergic, I think what they actually had was a 'pocketbook reaction' (husband, bf, mother musta saw the receipt) lol !!! or maybe they had a day of retail therapy and overspent..all I ask is for honesty, I'd laugh right along with them over it...ah well


How is it possible to buy something at one location and then return it at a complitely different location?
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Here in Croatia return policies are not that simple. There are only few stores where you can return stuff without any problems, but mostly - no way. Although the Law gives you the right to return something, salesman just don't accept it. They will always come up with some reason that stops you from returning them.
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That's why I always think through very well if I'm going to buy something or not, and especially if it's something that costs a bit more. There simply isn't any way that someone could talk me into buying something that I actually don't want to buy.
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It's not like my money falls down from the sky.
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kmae

Member
It sucks knowing that the products will end up being thrown away. I always thought they would become testers.

Why doesn't MAC put plastic seals around their products like drug store brands, to know if has been used? That would save them a lot of money.
 

rockandregret

Active member
I think i've returned something once, but i'm really neurotic about what i buy and i always make sure i really want it blah blah so i'm not a big returner. I'd rather leave emptyhanded but then go back a couple days later to get it instead of having buyer's remorse and having to return. Once i actually saw a girl who had purchased a pigment return it, but it was CLEARLY missing a fair amount of the pigment. The MA caught on (it was really obvious) but i was complete in awe that somebody would try that!
 

MelodyAngel

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I agree...there are always those people who abuse the return policy and make it much more difficult for those of us who put a lot of thought and consideration into our MAC purchases, and on a rare occasion need to return/exchange something.

I have been buying MAC for about 5 years, and have returned two items...one was an eyeliner and one was an unused eyeshadow. The MA's were gracious and kind both times. Both times I ended up purchasing 3 or 4 new items after I finished the return, and I guess it didn't hurt that there was at least $150-$200 worth of other purchases on the receipts for the returns.

I guess a lot of it just comes down to being reasonable, and not taking advantage of the liberal return policy. Try it on in store when possible, and ask for a samples for items that can require more evaluation...such as a skin care or foundation product.
I know that the men and women at MAC work hard, and spend long hours on thier feet, so a little kindness and a smile go a long way. Show people respect, and you will usually get it back.
 

erine1881

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Originally Posted by TRASHdecor
Oh and...
When an item is returned and tossed, where do they go? Literally a garbage? Or back to MAC headquaters?


back to corporate, and they throw it in the trash.

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And the item I returned was bought in a Macy's in Pennsylvania, and I returned it to a Florida Macy's. Does the original MA still get affected by it?

in the end it does. all employee numbers are in macy's system, so in the end the sales will be deducted from the original employee's numbers.

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Originally Posted by kmae
Why doesn't MAC put plastic seals around their products like drug store brands, to know if has been used? That would save them a lot of money.

that's still not a surefire way to stop contamination. if you buy a drugstore cosmetic product, they're not gonna put it back on the shelf. its not sanitary.
 

MaryJane

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Originally Posted by II3rinII
ugh!! earlier this week i had a banging day! i had the highest sales and AUS and made my daily goal. the next day however a lday i helped the day before called in the morning asking if i was there, my co-worker said i wasnt, she asked when i was coming in she said she couldnt give that info. the lady then said "i bought a lotta stuff from her yesturday and i got home and it broke me out..." so kendra said "do you have your receipt?" she said she did and then kendra (cuz shes not one to hold back) said "so your trying to come in here before erin then right?" and the lady said yes! she came back and returned all $132 her face did not look broken out, she basically had a case of buyers remorse. what sucks is, i didnt push anything on her, she came in saying she wanted a lip color and something for the eyes as i was trying some lip shades on her she kept hinting towards having her face done up, she was older, probably 60, so i did a simple but pretty look on her and gave her some tips. i never pushed the products it was her who started pointing at everything i used saying she wanted it. when i rang her up she gasped at the price but never said "well let me put such and such back" there were even a few items that i wrote down for her "for next time" so she wasnt pressured to buy all at once, she couldve just gotten the eyeshadow and lip gloss like she originally planned. she even said she usually wears walmart makeup... so here she comes the very next day claiming "it" broke her out (pretty sure it was a lie, why return everything if one thing broke you out, i mean if a foundation broke me out i wouldnt return the gloss and shadow ya know) anyway i came in that day in the hole my AUS was a -$132 and so were my sales. it didnt help that it was an extremely slowwwwwwww day and all i was getting was little one item sales, it took most of the day to get out of the hole, so it had me in a bad mood. these are the returns we are talking about. i will gladly take back an honest/legitimate return. but please dont lie or make something up. if you spent to much id rather hear that, at least i know then it wasnt my fault youre returning the items.


I understand your frustration but sometimes people are embarassed to say that they spent too much money, so in order to save face they make up something like the products broke her out. Not that your store is like this, but it can sometimes be intimidating to go a a Mac counter (especially if you normally shop at Wal-mart), rather than saying 'no' to purchasing the products she just decided to buy them and got hit with buyer's remorse when she got home.
 
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