i deffy use cetaphil only when my ezcema comes back. My doctor gives me cetaphil.
It's not true that you can't find a cleanser that doesn't take makeup off. I went to school to become an Esthetician and I thought the exact samr thing but I got introduced to a BEAUTIFUL product called Repechage.. it's a product line sold here in the U.S. but it's made me france by this beautiful lady ( i forgot her name but I've met her and she's really pretty for an older lady and she has FLAWLESS skin) anyway she has i believe 5 different product lines depending on if your face is dry/senstive, oily, has acne, aging/sensitive skin, and if you have combonation skin. All of the cleaners for each product line takes off dirt/makeup off your skin, the toner is amazing (it smells amazing too) it keeps your skin feeling fresh and moisturized and it protects your skin when you are outside. but anyway it's an amazing product line you should check it out. if you need anymore info on it I could help you out.. I have learned a lot about it when I went to beauty school and I have some stocked away in my bathroom cabinet.
by the way; those of you that use Dove (i love DOVE so don't think I'm dissing dove or anything) but it's not good for your skin. I used my PH pencil on it and it has so much acidic products inside of it, it's rediculous. Clinique products are bad for your skin also.