Thanks for all of the responses!! I can't seem to find out to shock lipstick on the mac website is it discontinued?? Also what could I use besides vanilla pigment...any suggestions?? I can buy vanilla pigment, but I was trying to use something I all ready have. I'm sure I will buy vanilla pigment, just not sure if I am going to go today!! I like to use regular primer as a base, so maybe someting with some shimmer in it...TIA!!