I'm sick of this - need advice.

tokyo_juliet

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Here's another rant (sorry, it's long again) about my two nephews from my previous post that I made (I tried to find it, but I think it got deleted, otherwise I would of posted it up on here too). I'm really tired of what I'm having to deal with right now and I need some of your advices and opinions on how to handle this. Since I also know there's a lot of women on this board who are way more experienced with this kind of stuff than I am.

Here's my rant: My older sister and her two kids (who are my two nephews that I was talking about earlier) have moved into our house, and they're now living with my family. My sister and her husband are separated due to the husband being a jerk to her so that's why she packed up and came to live with us. She and her kids have no where else to live, and I understand that. But as I said in my earlier post, my two nephews (reminder: one is 8 yrs old and the other is only 3 yrs) don't listen to anyone or behave themselves when they're told. The 3-year-old, I can let off since he doesn't know much yet, but the 8-year-old is really rude, obnoxious, and is really pissing me off with his catty attitude. Just earlier today he was yelling at the 3-year-old non-stop when I told him to be quiet. Not even one minute later, he starts screaming again at the 3-year-old and once again, I told him to be quiet about 5 more times. He wouldn't stop or even care much to listen to me. I was so angry that I was on the verge of cussing at them two. I can't stand being around these kids. So then, I got sick of it and told my two nephews to go down into the basement so they can scream at each other if they want and I wouldn't have to hear it so much since I would be upstairs. Well, the 8-year-old got mad at me for telling him to do that and then after awhile, my mom tells him to come upstairs because it was time for him to go to sleep. Then as he comes up the stairs, he says in a haughty voice, "see....i knew i shouldn't have gone downstairs!" at me. And me with my hot temper, I yelled back at him saying he deserved to go downstairs for not listening to me at all. I never hit my two nephews. So they basically get off easily whenever they do something. This was one of the first times I even told my 8-year-old nephew to do something like go stay down in the basement. I mean damn, my mom and I tell him to be quiet so many times but it's like he always has to go back to screaming and running around the house. For the running around the house part, it's not just running, it's literally running and laughing out loud. So at the same time, you hear pounding and laughing and after this goes on for awhile, you just want to pull your hair out. He's so loud. Also, if you tell him to stop jumping on the couch or to stop screaming at the 3 year old, he would say "oooooooookay....." and then go back to doing the same thing a few seconds later. I think I know why he always does that because he knows that if he's behaving badly like that then he'll just get a simple "stop it" or "be more quiet", so that's why he never listens. My dad also told me that if I ever did feel like hitting them, to don't ever hit my nephews. ^_^;
Plus, he even cries almost every morning because he's too lazy to get up to go to school. I'm totally fed up with him.

Then, as if things aren't already bad enough with the 8 year old, the 3 year old is just about as bad. He's spoiled. If he doesn't get what he wants, he'll start to cry and fall down on the floor, crying even louder than before. And then their mom who is my older sister, is so annoying towards me. I can't stand her. I've stopped talking to her for about a year now, but she bothers me non-stop. I'm also sick and tired of her bs. She knows I DO NOT like her and that I want her to just leave me alone, but she still tries to get on my nerves. Even after she bothers me, I still don't talk to her. Reason being that she said a load of hurtful words to me in the past, repeatedly. She lowered my self-esteem so badly and just wouldn't stop it with putting me down and all.

I wrote a lot. So I'll be happy if anyone actually read all of this and still can give me advice on how to handle this situation. I'm worn out from those three, and just want my peaceful life back. On some days, I don't even want to go home anymore after I'm done with school. I just want to go to some place quiet where I can sit alone without hearing all the drama and having to deal with it everyday. Seriously, this is really taking a toll on my attitude too. I get so pissed at my sister and my two nephews sometimes that I basically have to take everything in and then when I can't hold it in anymore, I become cold towards other people. I'm becoming more and more bitter towards my nephews everyday because I can't stand being surrounded by them, especially my sister.

Am I overreacting? Is this how kids are supposed to act like? How am I supposed to deal with this stuff when my attitude is getting cranky too?

P.S. - i guess you can say that we don't discipline my two nephews. they're not my kids so i can't discipline them or tell them what to do much. i would if i could. my sister barely disciplines them and like i said before, she usually just hits them more than she explains things to them. i don't know what to do anymore.
 

Shimmer

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You must understand that these kids have a lot of upheaval in their lives right now, though you may recommend to your sister that she find a group that offers coping and parenting classes for kids in these situations. Perhaps a 'divorce hurts kids too' type of class or something similar.
Children NEED boundaries, they seek them out instinctively, and that's what your nephews are doing.
Idon't know what your relationship with your sister is like, but you may consider telling her that when her kids are in your care, they won't be allowed to act like that.
 

tokyo_juliet

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I've already made up my mind not to make up with my sister. I'm not going to talk to someone who only puts me down. It may be easy for you to tell someone to just "make up" with another person, but it's hard to do it when you've been through a lot of bs with that person also. So I'm not going to say anything to my sister. I may sound stubborn but that's how I am. Eversince I excluded my sister out of my life by not interacting with her at all, my life has been so much better. Now that she also lives with me, she just bothers me too much and it annoys the hell out of me. I was sure there were other ways to deal with this.
I'm aware that the 8 year old might be having a pretty tough time dealing with this situation between his mom and dad too.

Thanks for your opinions though. I guess that's how kids just really are. (SORRY I'm bad with dealing with kids). I've come to the conclusion to just spend my time elsewhere more often now.
 

giz2000

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Originally Posted by tokyo_juliet
I've already made up my mind not to make up with my sister. I'm not going to talk to someone who only puts me down. It may be easy for you to tell someone to just "make up" with another person, but it's hard to do it when you've been through a lot of bs with that person also. So I'm not going to say anything to my sister. I may sound stubborn but that's how I am. Eversince I excluded my sister out of my life by not interacting with her at all, my life has been so much better. Now that she also lives with me, she just bothers me too much and it annoys the hell out of me. I was sure there were other ways to deal with this.
I'm aware that the 8 year old might be having a pretty tough time dealing with this situation between his mom and dad too.

Thanks for your opinions though. I guess that's how kids just really are. (SORRY I'm bad with dealing with kids). I've come to the conclusion to just spend my time elsewhere more often now.



That's not that way kids really are..that's the way your nephews are, because they have no boundaries set for them and no discipline. Yes, they have gone through some rough times, but that's no excuse for their mom (your sister) to sit on her butt and not do anything about it. They more than likely learned their behavior from their father (as kids are excellent at mimicking the actions of their parents, good or bad). The sad part is that they're not going to be 3 and 8 forever...they'll get older, and their behavior will get worse, but.....

they're not your kids. Your sister will need to deal with the problem herself. Yes, they have to learn to respect you, but until they don't respect their mother, and she doesn't respect you, it's going to be a long road ahead....it's a good idea for you to spend time doing other things that don't require you to be around them. Good luck...
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by tokyo_juliet
P.S. - i guess you can say that we don't discipline my two nephews. they're not my kids so i can't discipline them or tell them what to do much. i would if i could. my sister barely disciplines them and like i said before, she usually just hits them more than she explains things to them. i don't know what to do anymore.

It's time to start.

Remember the classis Mom/Dad saying? It's my house, and as long as you live under my roof, you will do as I say.

Guess what?

That doesn't apply to just the children, that applies to your sister as well. As long as she is living under your roof, on your good will, she should have the respect to do as you say. Else she should find another place to live.

Set your own boundaries. You dont have to hit the children, but you can take away things that they enjoy as a response to their behavior. Fav toys, play time, restriction, etc. Just because your not their Mom, doesn't mean they dont have to respect your rules.

Same thing with your sister. I'm sure she's not paying for things like the cable TV, or internet, or whatever. You can take those away too until she starts to act responsibly.

You can use your remote child block restrictions, to password protect and block every channel on the TV. This works on kids and adults. Not respecting my boundaries? Thats fine. As a result you dont get to enjoy the privaledges that go along with living under my room. Same thing with the internet.

If your buying food, you can stop buying thing like snacks and treats that the kids like so much. And explain to them that things like that go along with begining to act like an adult. And when they learn to obey the rules of the house, you'll buy them again.

You also need to learn not to give in to their crying. Yelling, crying and screaming are what kids use to get their way. They know that if they are loud enough, you'll eventually give in to what they want. Thats why the 3 year old is so spoiled, he's learned that if he acts like that, he'll get what he wants (kids are smarter than we give them credit for). Also reward them for behaving, without them having to ask. AKA If you have taken away the TV for a week, and they are behaving, perhaps on the weekend you tell them they earned their TV privaledge back by being responsible. And give them back TV for the weekend etc.

Edit: You can get a chalkboard and hang it in the kitchen if you have too, and write down the rules of the house.

Everything above applies to your sister as well. You can explain to her that she is living under your roof out of the kindness of your heart. But while she is doing that, these are the rules. And if she doesn't respect them, she can find another place to live.

You also need to make sure that the adults same page. So they dont erode your authority. This is where you need to talk to your sister and your mom and lay down the rules of your house.
 

Beauty Mark

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I don't think you have to necessarily make up with your sister (some people are really impossible to and you're sometimes better off without them in your life, sorry to say), but you need to just practice as much civility as possible.

As for the kids, I'd first talk to your parents. Would going about their behaviors and how it affects your life help at all? You mentioned that you're in school; I can't imagine this added stress helps your studies at all.

If that doesn't help, I'd see if you can stay with a friend (family or simply yours) for a bit or something like that. If your parents refuse to do anything, there isn't a lot that can be done.
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
If that doesn't help, I'd see if you can stay with a friend (family or simply yours) for a bit or something like that. If your parents refuse to do anything, there isn't a lot that can be done.

She shouldn't have to leave her own house because of obnoxious in-laws. They should be the ones leaving HER house, if they can't start respecting her rules.

Respecting someone, and being on good terms with people are two different things. You can not like someone, but still respect them. Easy example. I severly dislike police officers who pull me over for speeding. But I still respect their status as an officer.

Edit: I also thing family members more often than not, abuse their status as a family member. AKA, I can do what I want because I'm her sister, and she'll deal with it. It is ok to ask someone to move out. Give her a deadline to get a job and find an apartment, if things get that bad.
 

tokyo_juliet

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Thanks everybody for everything. and i thought i was overreacting.

Raerae - if i could handle things the way you explained up there, then i wouldn't be complaining right now. i've tried to do some of those things. it's complicated because my sister listens to no one so she won't discipline her kids well. and if i try to take control of my nephews by restricting what they do and setting boundaries for them, then my sister will seriously beat me up. i know that whole thing about living under someone's roof and respecting them and all, but as you can see, there's no respect here and never will be. my parents don't do anything about my sister either (since she won't even listen to what they try to tell her) so even though they're living with my family and i, they're free to do whatever they want regardless of how badly my nephews are behaving. and my sister can practically do whatever she wants around the house because my parents let her.

so to this nasty situation, my solution = i'm just going to suck it up and spend my time elsewhere like i said before.

sorry, this will be the last time i post something up about my nephews. i just really want them to move out now.
 

Raerae

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Question...

Who owns the house? Are you living with your parent? As in they pay the mortgage? Or did your parents move in with you, and then when your sister got divorced she asked to move in as well. Because a lot of how you can handle the situation changes based on that information.

1. If the house is in your name, then not only does your sister need to respect your rules, but your parents do as well. Just because someone is a mom/dad/brother/sister doesn't give them free reign to walk all over you. And if your sister lays a hand on you, call the police. I know it seems harsh but being "family" isn't an greenlight for them to treat you like that. She is living there because your being gracious enough to allow her to stay in her time of need. But as easily as you allowed her to move in, you can also remove that privaledge if she doesn't respect you.

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2. However, if your parents own the house, and your livnig with them. Then your sister is living by the rules/boundaries that your Mom/Dad alow her too. In that case I would move out / spend time away from home personally. If your afraid of who will take care of you parents? Your sister is there now, let her do her duties as a daughter for once.

I get the feeling from your posts that you fall under option 1. In that case if you want to take your home back, you need to set boundaries and stick too them. If your sister will not respect you, then your under no obligation to allow her to live their, you can politeley give her a date to find a job and move out. And if her kids don't respect you, they are under obligation to enjoy all the benefits that being a positive contributing member of a household entails.
 

tokyo_juliet

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I fall under your second option. I'm the only daughter left in my family who's not married and lives with my parents. I'm in my last year of high school to be exact. Besides from my mom, I'm the one who washes the dishes, mops the kitchen floors, do most of the household chores, and even though my sister lives with us now, she doesn't do much to help out at all. So, sometimes when I feel like I don't want to be home that much, I still feel like I should be home helping out with household chores because nobody else will do them except for my mom and I don't want her doing all the work all the time. But I also can't stand being around my sister and nephews, therefore I have no choice but to escape from home more often now.

If I was living in my own home, I would never allow my sister to do these things to me and still be living in my own home. I wouldn't, for a second take that crap from her. But since I live with my parents, I abide by their rules too.
 

Beauty Mark

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I don't want to turn your life into Jerry Springer or Cops, but if she is actually abusive to you, I'd report it. You need to look out for your own welfare.
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by tokyo_juliet
I fall under your second option. I'm the only daughter left in my family who's not married and lives with my parents.

Actually... Since your sister is divorced techincally she isn't married eigther. So your both unmarried and living at home .
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FYI I get the impression from your post that you see that as something negative rather than positive. It's not.

If things are as bad as you say, you can always go get a job, and get your own apartment. Nothing like a little independance to change your views on the world
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