Is this old man a pervert?

jsmith

New member
Please give me your honest thoughts since I don't want to have a wrong opinion about this man.

I'm in my early 20's, and he's already in his 70's. I've known him for about 6, 7 years from my workplace, which is a university related environment. He is a very knowledgeable and well respected person (at least from what I know). He occasionally takes me out to lunch and always gives me birthday and Christmas gifts over the years. They are not expensive presents, mostly classical CD's, books, pictures of nature that he took and developed. I always returned the favor by buying something for him on his birthday and Christmas. He often mentioned that he wanted to help me enrich my knowledge, since he thought that my friends and the people I was around were narrow. He also offered to introduce me to some foreign exchange students around my age that he knew.

I always want to think of him like my mentor, since he is an intelligent man who knows a lot about science, arts, and languages. Most of our conversations were about things like that. I didn't want to talk to him too much about his or my personal life, except on a few occasions. Overall, I enjoyed his company, but I wasn't really comfortable when he often offered to hold my hand when we walked or gave me kisses on my cheeks when we said goodbye (I already gave him friendly hugs). I tried not to think too much about it since he had actually lived in Europe a couple years when he was younger, so maybe it became his habit. He sometimes joked that I would be his trophy girlfriend, and I always told myself that it was just a joke.

My ex-boyfriend broke up with me recently, so I was sad and shed tears when I talked about it. I needed people to listen, analyze, and give me their opinions about my break-up, and since I'd already bored my family and close friends about it, I decided to talk to him, just to hear another male perspective. I went over to his house around 8 - 8:30 p.m. after my shift from work. That was the first time I went to his house. He made me some tea, turned on some classical music, gave me a tour around the house. I saw some nude pictures of women on the walls, but I tried to brush if off. Finally, we sat down and talked about my problem. I didn't understand why he dimmed the lights, but then again, I tried to brush if off and focused on my story. By the time we talked about it, I was pretty much over the break-up and realized that it was not a big deal anymore. I wasn't acting angry, crying, or looking desperate at all. I just wanted to analyze things and get his opinion about my ex-boyfriend.

I talked about my relationship for a while. He asked me what type of man that I was looking for. I told him my preferences. He then asked me if I found him "sexy". I thought that was a joke, and didn't want to make him feel bad, so I said yes and kept on talking about my problem. After awhile, he asked me how the sex was. I was uncomfortable, just briefly told him that my ex was unable to give me an orgasm. I told him that I just wanted to know about my ex's feelings for me, since I knew that my ex was inexperienced and of course, must have not been that into me at the end of the relationship to actually try making it better. I tried to steer away from talking about sex for two or three times, but he kept on talking about how a man should "make love" to a woman. He went on and on for about 10 minutes, then suddenly, he talked about oral sex and told me that he had been able to give a woman multiple orgasms for 1.5 - 2 hours, and how the whole process only seemed like 5 minutes for him. He even went on to vaguely describe oral sex, but I won't type it here. The whole time, he repeatedly said that he didn't want to turn me on, just wanted to give me an idea how a man should be able to do that. I forgot to add that he'd usually mentioned to take me to Europe and show me around. He even said that again that night, while just a couple minutes earlier, he'd told me that my idea of going to NYC alone with one of my close guy friends would make that guy think that it was an invitation to something else.

Nothing bad happened that night, I went home safely. I just received two emails from him, but I haven't replied yet. The first one was to thank me about my long and open conversation, and how he hoped he gave me some useful information. The second one was like "food for thoughts" (the ones that you usually find in chained emails about friendship, relationship...). He told me to keep in touch in both emails.

I don't know what to think. It'd be sad if I cut all contacts with him and he is actually a good person. At the same time, I don't want to put myself in danger if he is not.

Thank you for reading and helping.
 

InspiredBlue

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I think it's pretty simple - he makes you uncomfortable. You either need to tell him so, and hopefully he will stop it, or you probably shouldn't spend time with him.
Calling him names doesn't really help things much.
 

Machinegun_Cali

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Hes a man...so yes hes a pervert. Sounds like you should avoid talk about sex, making love, him being attractive ect ect ect . He is testing the waters to see how far he can go with you.

Screw hurting his feelings if he asks you questions about if you think he's sexy and to make him not feel odd you say yes..what other outcome do you expect?? You spared his feelings and now you're the one feeling odd.

You teach people how to treat you. So dont engage him in those type of topics...he'll learn the boundaries.
 

MACATTAK

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Originally Posted by InspiredBlue
I think it's pretty simple - he makes you uncomfortable. You either need to tell him so, and hopefully he will stop it, or you probably shouldn't spend time with him.
Calling him names doesn't really help things much.


I agree. You've already mentioned how he makes you uncomfortable, so I'm wondering why you would be going to his house? I'd be talking to ANYONE else about my situation, and with someone who didn't make me feel uncomfortable to begin with. Also, I don't feel that it's fair to call him a "pervert." It seems to me like you are going along with things (the kissing, going to his house, the sex talk, the "finding him sexy" talk), so even if you are "trying to brush them off," you also aren't stopping them.
 

Candy Christ

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Originally Posted by iadoremac
I'd stay away if I were you. He has ulterior motives

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I was going to say the same thing. He's looking for more with you. End it and stay away.
 

Mo6ius

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I don't understand why some of you seem to be criticizing her. Yes, she should have made it clear that she was uncomfortable, but maybe she was sparing his feelings because they have known each other for a really long time, and he sounded like a good friend up until now. I'd be hesitant to break it off with somebody I know that long. She's young, inexperienced, and going through a recent breakup, that's why everything seems confusing and she had to ask for strangers' opinions here. I find it funny that the breakup didn't affect her as strongly as this incident lol...

I don't see how she was leading him on either. She didn't get anything out of him except for conversations about her breakup, arts, blah blah... It's normal when a girl tries to talk about her breakup to anybody who's willing to listen. She got along with him quite well, so I guess she trusts his opinion about her past relationship. I had my ups and downs in relationships before, and I did the same thing.

I'd say just be friendly, but keep minimal contact with him.
 

Funtabulous

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YES, he is a pervert. I was in a very similar situation once, although the man was not quite that old (but still old enough to be my father). I was very young and naive at the time. He pushed things further and I almost got myself into a lot of trouble. I was lucky. This man is now being charged with sexual assault against a minor (several, actually).

I learned from this experience not to talk to men about sex, or even relationships, unless you want to give them ideas. I've had more incidents after that too, even just being 'friendly' with men. Men who I thought of as 'grandfatherly'. Who were working with me. It happens all the time. Sad, but true. Hopefully you will learn from this. I sure did.

I don't think you were leading him on, intentionally at least. I know I was accused of doing this in court and it stabbed me pretty deeply. You probably just took everything at face value and didn't think he would 'do' something like that. Just wanting to stick up for you. I know that's how I felt, but I know better now.
 

ajannasmom

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I don't know that I would call him a pervert. He's simply an older, experienced man with lots and lots of patience. Most young men would have left it alone along time ago, but it seems like he know what he is doing. On one hand, he seems to be like a father figure/mentor, yet, on the other, if you allow it to go further, it will. It's all up to you.

In my opinion, if you want to maintain the platonic relationship that you've felt you've had with him over the years...you should come clean with him and let him know exactly how he's made you feel uncomfortable. Explain to him that if these things continue that you will have to sever ties with him.

If you are no longer interested in his friendship, then leave it as it is. I wouldn't suggest this though. I think you should face him and be honest. I can see how some of the ladies on here might feel that you led him on when you were only being polite, but it is what it is. I really think you should tell him how he made you feel. Also, you may not want to put yourself in that kind of situation...going to his home, and even engaging in the sexual conversations...it can lead to misunderstandings.

Good luck honey, and kudos to you for putting yourself out there with us...xoxo
 

Meisje

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No, he is not a pervert. He is simply a man who is interested in you --- he just happens to be a lot older. He doesn't deserve a "pervert" label for that.

He was definitely testing the waters to see if you are interested. He made you uncomfortable, but at no time did you *tell* him that he made you uncomfortable, and you proceeded engage in a sexual conversation, so I'm not sure he would have caught on that you were feeling uncomfortable. 17 or 70, men are not known for picking up on subtleties.

He definitely takes your polite answers and unwillingness to nip sexual conversations in the bud as encouragement, although you only intend to avoid making him feel rebuffed or upset. It's not your fault that he's getting his signals crossed, but it's not exactly his either, as allowing him to ask you very personal sexual questions and then answering him, and not stopping the conversation, could definitely be taken as interest. I don't think there's any "fault" here, just two people trying to communicate and things going awry.

If he makes you uncomfortable, you should do what you do with any person who makes you uncomfortable --- don't spend time with him. And if you must cross paths, do not spend any more time alone with him. I am not suggesting that he would get aggressive, or that spending time alone with him would be a reason for him to get aggressive (there's never any excuse for a man doing that), but he's definitely expressed his interest and sometimes it's just best to avoid situations that could potentially become scary.

He wants something from you that you are not interested in giving him. Although you might want him in your life, he's definitely going to take any interest from you as encouragement. I would just let the correspondence drift away.
 

LMD84

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well i personally don't think that you led him on at all. however as soon as the conversation turned sexual i would have cut it off and said that you weren't comfortable talking about this kind of thing with anybody.

i also don't think he's a pervert. just a much older man than yourself who is perhaps interested in you. maybe ytou should give him some space. keep in contact via email for a while but not see him face to face for a bit to see if he cools off.
 

panda0410

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You are opening your heart about your break up and he wants to know if you find him sexy? He's not only interested but also very selfish.... Even if you were interested in him his interest in his own personal agenda at a time of difficulty for you should tell you a little something of his true personality.

The sex talk should have been nipped in the bud, but he's not a pervert. He sounds to me like an experienced older man advertising his wares. Guess you can't blame a single guy for that. Can blame you though if you don't end it.

You have one of two choices as I see it. Let all communication end, be rid of the problem but lose a friend in doing so. Or if you value the friendship just confront him. Tell him you enjoy his company but that anything else is unwelcome. Anything else would be having your cake and trying to eat it too...
 

baton

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he definitely crossed over the boundaries of continuing with his sex talk for his own gratification and in hopes of seducing you. he sees you as his next conquest of having a younger women. he can see that you were too polite to say anything so of course he will continue to pursue you until he thinks that you will succumb to his advances.....just like everyone else here....just let him know that you were uncomfortable with the topic of talking about sex with him, and if he continues in the future to make advances then just draw the line and cut him as an acquintance or friend. there's no need to surround yourself with people who gross you out or make you feel uncomfortable as you have no obligation to be polite to him just because you have known him for years.
 

Cydonian

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I think the answers here are a bit of a mixed bag -- but I will tell you to be careful, no matter the age. I am rather paranoid as I've heard a lot of horrible stories (and I've read a lot about sex trafficking, etc., it makes you scared), but I will say this:

Would you have told him to back off if he were younger? Say he was 30-35, but maybe not physically attractive to you or you just weren't interested? Because he's older, you tend to want to spare their feelings because of the whole older mentor thing. But if this were a guy your age coming onto you in that way and you didn't want it, we're taught to say NO quite fiercely.

I think you've let your guard down because of his age. I would definitely sit down and write something to him intending to email it. Take some time to think out how you feel, give examples of when and where he made you feel uncomfortable and re-read it to make sure you're happy with it. Then send it to him and see what his response is.

I hope everything works out for you.
 

euphrosyne_rose

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I also don't agree that calling him a pervert is called for, but on one hand I can see where you would make that distinction b/c of his age but yet I also agree that he's just an older, obviously confident man who is trying his best to find out if you are interested in him. No guy, no matter what his age, starts talking about oral sex for the hell of it. He was definitely using the situation to see how far he could push you and that in itself was just WRONG on so many levels.

I don't think you are interested but I do think you are giving him signals that you are, however unintentional it may be. If you aren't comfortable with him on such a personal level, going to his home wasn't the way to show him otherswise. Again on the other hand, you must've been somewhat comfortable enough to go over there in the first place b/c I would have to say that if you were truly that uncomfortable with him you would've never gone to his house.

I think your best course of action would be to email him back or tell him in person (whatever YOU are more comfortable with) that you aren't interested that way in him and some of the things he says/has said makes you very uncomfortable. From there if he seems to persist, I would stop talking to him altogether b/c if he knows you aren't comfortable and he keeps on with his behavior, that's a red flag in itself.

I do have one question-- you said that he buys you gifts for Christmas and birthdays. Does he do that for anyone else? Is there anyone else you know of that is friendly with him the way you are? Who buys him gifts? Just curious.
 

katred

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Being sexually interested in you doesn't make him a pervert, but all signs point to the fact that, even if you felt the same way, he's probably not a very nice person.

Although you hadn't been to his house before, he had opportunities to address his feelings for you before this. He chose to try to force the issue of sex when you were emotionally vulnerable. So he's trying to prey on a perceived weakness, indicating that he probably already knows that you aren't attracted to him, but he thought he might be able to get around that at a moment you weren't thinking quite straight.

Second, he is incredibly patronising towards you. Telling you that you need your horizons broadened, that your friends are incapable of this and that he wants to teach you is arrogant. Yes, he is older and more experienced. But that doesn't make him superior, which is how he is acting.

The tricky part is that, even though you may not return his attraction, having someone who makes you feel like you are worthy of their special attention (which is certainly what he has been endeavouring to do) is an incredibly nice feeling. Part of giving up on the friendship means having to give that up as well. Nonetheless, it's clear you should keep your distance. This person is not trying to be your friend and he is interpreting any gesture on your part- even those made from a sense of obligation or discomfort- as an invitation forward. The only way to stop this from continuing is to cut him out of your life.
 
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