Lack of understanding/acceptance/care

Eoraptor

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Arghh. Hi girls. I'm feeling rather upset right now. To understand the whole story, I have to tell you about the holidays last month. But keep reading down, because the actual upsetting part is in the last paragraph.

So my extended family had a gift exchange where we wrote down three gift ideas, put them into a hat, and randomly got paired up to give gifts to each other. My three choices were Red Lobster gift certificate, subscription to Scientific American, and Darwin fish emblem for my car (remember my parents don't want me telling my relatives about my girly side, so I couldn't ask for makeup, etc.). Everyone else got something they requested, but what do I get? An emergency kit for my car?! *YAWN* As if I ever expressed an interest in cars... At least try to get me something I could like! But moving on...

For Christmas, I got my best friend Jenny an iPod. I knew she's wanted one for years, and hasn't had enough money. So I saved my tips for over a month and still had to pay for some of it with my credit card. She uses it every day and loves it. Chrstmas comes and she... hasn't decided on a gift for me yet. :| Four days after Christmas, she finally got me a gift. And what is it? A radar detector for my car (to see if a cop is tracking me). *YAWN again* Why?! Of all the things she could get me, why get me something I've never expressed interest in? I didn't expect her to spend a lot of money, since she's extremely poor, but I would have liked some thought to go into the gift. She knows me better than anyone except my parents, so I expected something I could enjoy. And as for my parents...

I did get some good things from them, but there was also another batch of gifts which I neither liked nor ever expressed interest in. A pocket-sized digital picture viewer? Wha? Cologne, which I've always told them I can't stand the smell of? And the main topic of this post, a really ugly coat. It's much oranger in person. For the record, I hate yellow and especially orange as clothing colors for myself. Mom knows this. There's not a single thing in my closet in those colors. She was like "I knew it would be a hard sell, especially after I saw how orange it was in person." So WHY get it for me in the first place?! Do people not know me? Do they not understand me? It's not like it was cheap either- $250!! Why spend so much on something you know I won't like? Ughh...

So now the stage is set for tonight's incident. I just sorta grumbled about all of the above and took it in stride. It wouldn't be worth a post here on it's own, but now you know the background of feeling like either the people closest to me don't understand me, or they don't bother taking the time to think of what I like.

My mom said I could pick out a coat for myself, and she'd buy that for me instead. So that was good. I skimmed a bit through Victoria's Secret online catalog and saw they had their coats on sale for <$100. I told mom and asked her if I could get two from there, since they were so much cheaper than the ugly $250 coat. She said yes, so that was good too. Yesterday, I finally sat down and looked for a long time online for coats I'd like. I measured my bust, waist and hips to make sure they'd fit. I found two, and sent my mom links to them. One is a peacoat in black, the other is a rose corduroy jacket. I've wanted a rose corduroy jacket for a year now, and look at the markdowns!

So I call my mom today, and she says "I saw the coats you wanted, but I can't buy you womens' coats. I just can't do it. I try to understand that side of you, but you'd look terrible in them. They'd never fit you. You don't have the body for it." Ouch! She'd get me that bulky piece of crap that both my girly and non-girly sides hate, but won't spend $100 less to get me two coats that are actually stylish and that (most importantly) I LIKE??!! Yes, the bust and hips would be a bit wide, but sheesh. It really upset me. It's like a slap in the face. Not only does she not understand me and didn't bother to even try to get me something I like, but she refused to get me something I do like now that she knows what that is. *sigh*
 

Shawna

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That just totally sucks
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I hate christmas (and any gift giving occasion) because of that very thing. Exactly how new is your mom to the idea that you like women's clothes? Maybe she just hasn't gotten quite used to it yet? And btw, you would totally rock that rose jacket. It is so your colour.
 

kimmy

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i'm sorry to hear all this, Mickey. if it's any consolation, you would be looking like a total fox in either of those coats. and you seriosuly have me wanting a peacoat even more now than i did before haha!

at any rate though, just do your best to brush all these negative things off and don't take them too seriously. as long as you're comfortable with who you are and as long as you're comfortable with your femme side, that's ALL that matters. <3
 

Jennybella

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awww Mickey Im so sorry your mom said that
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the peacoat is adorable and dont worry I bet she'll come around soon you know we're here for you if you need us <3
 

claresauntie

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You have great taste in jackets, hon! Love the rose corderoy jacket, and lemme tell ya: I have the peacoat and LOVE it! And I'm a bit wide in the hips, too, and it looks just fine, thank you very much.
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Sorry for the lack of understanding you're experiencing. That must be really hard to deal with, but it sounds like you handle it with strength and patience and aplomb.

Would your mother consider just getting you the peacoat? I know it's gorgeous, but you could try to convince her it's not "too girlie" by pointing out that there are men's peacoats, too, but you prefer the cut on this one. And tell her you've measured and checked and it will fit just fine. Otherwise, maybe she can just give you a mall giftcard or a VS giftcard?

By the way, what did she think you'd find at Victoria's Secret that wasn't going to be catering to "that other side of you"???
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Oh well, at least it's 11 months 'til the holidays come back around, right!?

*jen

PS: That orange coat is hideous, and that's coming from someone who loves orange!
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Hawkeye

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Wow. That does suck
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*HUGS*
As for the coats- go return and go to victoria secret buy it yourself if anyone asks just tell them your buying for yourself! I used to work at lane bryant and we had this guy come in 6'1 and would wear dresses and beautiful. He had gorgeous eyes and he and I became fast friends. But you gotta have confidence man!
And that police radar detector-dude that's pretty cool-unless you don't drive but if you do you NEED that (and if not send it my way!
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Beauty Mark

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I think some people just suck with gifts, as far as your first story went. No one got me anything I wanted/looked like something I'd want, and I sent out my Amazon.com list to people or told them specific things. I think some people, particularly family, think that they know what's best for you, gift-wise, and won't change their mode of thinking.

With your mother, if she isn't used to you wearing women's clothing, it's going to be rough on her. It isn't fair for you by any means, but if she is more on the conservative side when it comes to stuff like that, it's rough on her to change that way of thinking. What I would do about the coats is explain why you think you'd look good in them and that they'd fit.

I would, if that doesn't work, try to strike a compromise. If she's afraid that you'll wear a woman's coat in public with her (I'm not defending her stance, but it's always better to understand the other side before you try to figure out what to do), I would choose between the two coats for her to buy and then try to find men's coat that you like for $100 or less. I don't think it's right in any way, but sometimes you have to do stuff like that in order to maintain peace, since I take it that you like your mother.
 

giz2000

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I'm sorry that your mom said that...she's apparently having issues dealing with your "girly side," but at least she's dealing with it, instead of pretending it doesn't exist. Give her time, sweetie....give her time. You might want to find a happy medium (although that pink jacket is just too cute!)...
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As for your Xmas gifts, are people trying to tell you that you drive too fast and that you might get a flat tire or something? LOL...
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PS - You look very cute in your avatar pic!
 

Vicky88

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As much as that sucks & I am really sorry to hear it, I can also see it from her point of view. It must be hard to deal with and understand your girly side. But don't worry about it, I'm sure she will come around eventually.
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aeni

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This is like "What not to wear" and "Miss Manners" combined into one.

Take that coat and try to return it. Tell the company it was a Xmas gift and you should have no problems. Take the money and run - get something you actually want!
 

prinzessin784

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I'm so sorry, that sounds like it was pretty rough for you
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I agree though, you should return it and just not mention anything. Buy something you like and feel comfortable in, deep down that's really what your mom wants anyway! She might not feel comfortable buying it for you herself but I'm sure that she'd be happiest knowing that YOU are happy.
 

*Stargazer*

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People suck!

I know people repeatedly say that "It's the thought that counts" but I think people misinterpret that. Its not simply that you thought to buy someone something, its that you put thought into buying them something perfect for them. I hate it when people buy something that they want you to have rather than what you would like.

And I'm with the "return it" crowd. Get something you'll actually wear or give it to Goodwill
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kaliraksha

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Unfortunately, returning it would probably grant you store credit... but then you can take that store gift card and sell it on Ebay =) I know my way around bad gifts!

I'm sorry that your mother is not being understanding. I think your taste in coats is wonderful... I would wear them in a second! I think what sucks most is she told you to pick something and then revoked that because she didn't approve.

However, I've recieved crappy gifts from family all the time... I'm in my 20s and I still get Mickey Mouse stuff... wtf?
It's totally not me... I get things like Mickey Mouse pjs and covers.... my place is decorated in red and leather... how does that work? I hate gift giving too... because I really work hard to find the perfect gift for family/friends... and usually get the generic stuff in return =(
 

Raerae

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Give her time. Don't be mad at her. Tell her you love her, and that it's ok for her not to understand. She needs that from you now, more than anything in the world.

Edit- Meh... I removed some cattyness to keep the, "all we say are positive things" vibe going on these boards, regardless of how fake that really is... But it's bugging me. I hate fake niceness...

Your Mom, your friends, your family, etc are TRYING. The deserve a lot of credit for even doing that. I dont think it's fair to them to rant about their lack of understanding/acceptance/caring. The fact there even trying shows that they are doing ALL of the above. Your Mom's not ready to buy VSecret for her son. You can't be mad at her for being honest. She still loves you, thats the best Christmas gift of all.
 

kaliraksha

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Give her time. Don't be mad at her. Tell her you love her, and that it's ok for her not to understand. She needs that from you now, more than anything in the world.

I couldn't agree more. That's a wonderful suggestion... be the adult here and give her something unexpected.
 

Eoraptor

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Thanks to everyone for your support!!! As for those of you who suggested returning the coat to get things I like, it's a fun thought but I'd feel dishonest doing that. Luckily my mom and I talked today and worked something out.
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Read below for more...

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Exactly how new is your mom to the idea that you like women's clothes? Maybe she just hasn't gotten quite used to it yet?

I told her in 2005 I think. It was a very difficult thing to do.

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By the way, what did she think you'd find at Victoria's Secret that wasn't going to be catering to "that other side of you"???

Apparently something more unisex, even if it's womens'.

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I would, if that doesn't work, try to strike a compromise. If she's afraid that you'll wear a woman's coat in public with her (I'm not defending her stance, but it's always better to understand the other side before you try to figure out what to do), I would choose between the two coats for her to buy and then try to find men's coat that you like for $100 or less. I don't think it's right in any way, but sometimes you have to do stuff like that in order to maintain peace, since I take it that you like your mother.

That's exactly what I did! Thanks for the idea, Beauty Mark! She agreed to buy me one femme coat (I chose the rose corduroy one), if I pick out another more unisex one. My friend Cara helped me look online for one today and we found this black jacket, since my mom really wanted me to get a cold weather coat. It's pretty cute for a heavy coat, but not overly feminine. I hope she likes it!

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I'm sorry that your mom said that...she's apparently having issues dealing with your "girly side," but at least she's dealing with it, instead of pretending it doesn't exist.

Yeah, the latter describes what my dad is like....
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PS - You look very cute in your avatar pic!

Thank you giz2000! That night was a blast, with the formal gown and boobs! I have a new dress too that I might show you all once I get some good photos of it.
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I know people repeatedly say that "It's the thought that counts" but I think people misinterpret that. Its not simply that you thought to buy someone something, its that you put thought into buying them something perfect for them. I hate it when people buy something that they want you to have rather than what you would like.

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because I really work hard to find the perfect gift for family/friends... and usually get the generic stuff in return =(

Those are EXACTLY my thoughts on the matter!

Thanks to Raerae too for the honesty in her post. It is good that Jenny and my mom try.

Jenny in particular has been trying much harder lately to deal with my girliness, even if it is rough for her. I vented to her today about this coat issue and she actually listened and did a good job consoling me, which has never been her strong point. She told me that all moms are like that in regards to clothing they don't find appropriate for their children, whether it be feminine clothing on their son or miniskirts on their daughter. I've just never run into the issue before. But she assured me she's had the same issues with her mom, and that made me feel better. I should also note that I was the only person besides her mom that she got Christmas presents for this year, even if she is a self-described terrible gift giver. And for that I'm very thankful.

As for my mom, tonight she mentioned checking out a website she heard about that's for mothers of crossdressers. She also said she's be interested in counciling to help her with my girliness. I told her that though I don't think I need counciling for my own benefit, that I'd be happy to accompany her to counciling for her benefit. I should also mention she got me some really great Christmas gifts in addition to the bad ones. I got a printer/scanner/copier, a 512 meg chip for storing songs on my phone, an unfoggable shower mirror that works great for shaving, a body shaver that will help when I'm dressed sexy
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, and a quesadila maker that makes tasty meals with so little effort.

Thanks again!!! *HUGS* I'll keep you all updated on how things go.
 

ms_bloom

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Can I just say that the coats you picked were all FABULOUS. I want them, especially that last cold weather one. It doesn't really get that cold in Brisbane, but I grew up in New Zealand and old (rugging up) habits die hard. I love jackets and coats!

I think the girls gave you great advice and I hope that the compromise with your mom worked out.
 

Eoraptor

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Hi again! My mom liked the black coat, so she ordered it and the rose jacket for me today. I'll take pictures in them for you all when they come! *hugs*
 
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