OK I'm getting Sick and Tired of Political Correctness

[amoona]

Ok so I personally don't celebrate Christmas. We used to when we were lil cuz we were jealous of all the Christian kids in school who got presents lol. But we stopped when we were young teens because we got over it and my mom got fed up with decorating for us lol. However I honestly don't think Christmas is religious in this country. I don't have a problem seeing a Christmas tree ... it's not religious!!!! A menorah is religious. I mean in public places you don't see religious Christmas symbols, I only see Nativity scenes in front of churches or people's homes. I've never seen that in the mall. Muslims have a religious holiday right after Christmas (Dec. 30rd) but I don't care that I don't see Eid decorations, because that's religious and there's a separation between church and state ... or at least there is supposed to be. If it's about celebration and not religion I don't see the problem with it. I actually like Christmas decorations, I like shiny things haha.

I also don't get the hyphenation thing, I'm Palestinian, I'm Arab, I'm Middle Eastern. I'm not Palestinian-American or Arab-American that's stupid to me. I used to work at a bank (2 very long years) and customers would always be like "Oh you look so exotic what are you?" and I'd say I'm Palestinian or I'm Arab and I'd have customers who got upset because I didn't say Palestinian-American or Arab-American.

 

[glueme]

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Originally Posted by caffn8me Even the UK's Commission for Racial Equality seems to be hinting that political correctness has gone too far. They sent out a very amusing christmas card this year which was clearly a spoof on the PC movement. You can see it here - roll your mouse over the big picture which shows the inside of the card and you'll then be able to see the front. It's rather good

Oh perfect! It's hilarious, I'm sending it out to my friends! haha

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Yes, and I'm glad that people do recognize that as a symbol of our religion but I'm just saying it didn't start there. I think alot of people are making it more about themselves rather than what the season is about and I think all religions are about you taking the focus off of yourself and putting it on who you worship (I happen to worship Christ), so it's funny and sad because I think of what everyone else must think of us fighting and we're the ones who are supposed to be upholding values and peace.

I don't think it's necessarily about yourself if you want your tradition honored along with Christianity. It's not like they're saying rip anything down remotely affiliated with Christ's birth. It's not unpeaceful, either, to just ask for your symbol to be shown, either.

For the religious aspect of Hannukah, there are many Jewish people who don't really practice anymore who do celebrate it, out of tradition, just like there are many people in the US who celebrate Christmas and aren't practicing Christians.

 

[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark I don't think it's necessarily about yourself if you want your tradition honored along with Christianity. It's not like they're saying rip anything down remotely affiliated with Christ's birth. It's not unpeaceful, either, to just ask for your symbol to be shown, either. For the religious aspect of Hannukah, there are many Jewish people who don't really practice anymore who do celebrate it, out of tradition, just like there are many people in the US who celebrate Christmas and aren't practicing Christians.

I'm not asking for just my symbol to be shown though. However, the celebrating of "Christmas" started with Christ so no matter what anyone believes, it is still going to be centered around Him for alot of people. Someone above even said they celebrate their Jewish holiday on another day in December and I had no objection to that. Why would I? They can celebrate what they like. I'm just saying my right to celebrate shouldn't be taken away because someone else is not recognized. And I never said that my symbol should be the only one shown (though it is about my religion), the article said the people in it did.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Ladybug10678 It makes sense. What I don't follow is the airport saying "well, we can't put up a menorah, because then we'd have to put up all kinds of other things" but isn't that contradictory since they've put up trees? Wouldn't that process include trees? Just seems odd to me that they make that distinction after being asked to include something besides trees but it doesn't cross their minds before the trees?

those trees aren't representative of any religion, actually. They're pretty, and they're nice and gorgeous and seasonal but they're not indicative of anything to do with the Christian religion...

 

[Indigowaters]

This might be a good read for anyone wondering where alot of traditions come from:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/his...tmas/trad.html

http://www.christianitytoday.com/his...001/dec14.html

http://www.christianitytoday.com/his...000/dec08.html

 

[little teaser]

me and my husband have talk about christmas and the way it is now, and how people go in debt over this holiday, we are both christians but feel as though you can celebrate and rejoice in your hearts with out the retail.. so when my kids get older to understand we are gonna stop celebrateing like every body else christmas is not about giveing and reciveing if people want to celebrate christmas and it's true meaning then they should give there hearts to christ and in return they will get salvation.. thats just my opinion... i have already told my family DO NOT buy me anything we can celebrate have a lil dinner but i just dont want no one to stress out or go in debt..

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer those trees aren't representative of any religion, actually. They're pretty, and they're nice and gorgeous and seasonal but they're not indicative of anything to do with the Christian religion...

Oh, I'm well aware of that. They have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity other than someone came along years ago and co-opted them into a Christmas celebration. My point is though, they are associated with Christmas, and so much so at this point, that SOME, not all by any means, Christians go nuts if you suggest not having one in a gov't sponsored display etc. I think it was just last year that Bill O'Reilly (I really, really hate using that guy as an example for anything so please don't assume that I think he's a good example of anything but a loudmouth LOL) and that other Fox guy, John something, started blathering on about the "War on Christmas". And it seemed to me there was a vocal following of this idea. I've never quite understood how the true meaning of Christmas can be "taken away", you know?

 

[Shimmer]

Indeed.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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I'm not asking for just my symbol to be shown though. However, the celebrating of "Christmas" started with Christ so no matter what anyone believes, it is still going to be centered around Him for alot of people. Someone above even said they celebrate their Jewish holiday on another day in December and I had no objection to that. Why would I? They can celebrate what they like. I'm just saying my right to celebrate shouldn't be taken away because someone else is not recognized. And I never said that my symbol should be the only one shown (though it is about my religion), the article said the people in it did.

My point is that I don't find it selfish or unpeaceful to ask for things up, it's just selfish and disruptive if anyone of whatever religion only wants their religion represented and then makes a big deal of it.

I'm not saying taking away celebrating holidays or that places shouldn't be allowed to decorate, even though I think it's a secondary trait of the holiday. I'm just saying that I see nothing wrong with asking to have a mennorah up (or any religious symbol, except anything depicting graphic stuff) at a public place, if they're going to do something related Christmas, whether the tree started out with the celebration of Christ's birth.

On a note more related to this thread, I caught part of Family Guy last night and they had a little bit about the PC-nature of the world. They were discussing a rapist who only rapes on Christmas but the PCness of the world has people referring to the person as the "Holiday rapist" instead of the "Christmas rapist."

 

[Hawkeye]

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Originally Posted by amoona I also don't get the hyphenation thing, I'm Palestinian, I'm Arab, I'm Middle Eastern. I'm not Palestinian-American or Arab-American that's stupid to me. I used to work at a bank (2 very long years) and customers would always be like "Oh you look so exotic what are you?" and I'd say I'm Palestinian or I'm Arab and I'd have customers who got upset because I didn't say Palestinian-American or Arab-American.

EXACTLY!

Or for me, since I was born in this country-I'm American!

 

[Hawkeye]

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Originally Posted by caffn8me Even the UK's Commission for Racial Equality seems to be hinting that political correctness has gone too far. They sent out a very amusing christmas card this year which was clearly a spoof on the PC movement. You can see it here - roll your mouse over the big picture which shows the inside of the card and you'll then be able to see the front. It's rather good

I need this card Caffn8me!

It's awesome!

 

[lemurian]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark On a note more related to this thread, I caught part of Family Guy last night and they had a little bit about the PC-nature of the world. They were discussing a rapist who only rapes on Christmas but the PCness of the world has people referring to the person as the "Holiday rapist" instead of the "Christmas rapist."

Heheee! Of course rape is no laughing matter, but that just adds to the irony

Thanks for that tidbit!

Back on subject, I just wanted to point out that there is a big difference between having a tree and having a menorah. Airport terminals are considered public domain in this sense, and it is my understanding that religious symbols displayed on public property cause a lot of fuss

A tree is not a Christian symbol, period. Most cities display lights in one way or another during the month of December, but not a Nativity scene, for instance. A HUGE majority of Americans celebrate a secular Christmas with trees, cookies, gifts festooned with red and green, and monstrous credit card bills. To have someone INSIST that a menorah be displayed in a public place is NO DIFFERENT from insisting that a nativity be displayed. In both cases it is completely unnecessary and an example of the aformentioned religious tug-of-war.

 

[MAC_Whore]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark ...On a note more related to this thread, I caught part of Family Guy last night and they had a little bit about the PC-nature of the world. They were discussing a rapist who only rapes on Christmas but the PCness of the world has people referring to the person as the "Holiday rapist" instead of the "Christmas rapist."

That is priceless

 

[Bernadette]

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Originally Posted by caffn8me Even the UK's Commission for Racial Equality seems to be hinting that political correctness has gone too far. They sent out a very amusing christmas card this year which was clearly a spoof on the PC movement. You can see it here - roll your mouse over the big picture which shows the inside of the card and you'll then be able to see the front. It's rather good

They should sell these cards! I love this!

 

[Raerae]

I find yuo objection to being PC, very un PC. Please change the title of this thread to something more PC, I'm offended.

 

[Beauty Mark]

Actually I've heard people argue that the term "PC" isn't politically correct, because it assumes that the opposing folks are incorrect. The term they want us to use is "politically aware." I don't know how much better it is to be politically ignorant or unaware, though

You know it's gone too far when PC isn't PC

 

[Hawkeye]

LOL

I almost think the word politically is not even "politically correct" as well.

 

[Bernadette]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark Actually I've heard people argue that the term "PC" isn't politically correct, because it assumes that the opposing folks are incorrect. The term they want us to use is "politically aware." I don't know how much better it is to be politically ignorant or unaware, though You know it's gone too far when PC isn't PC

lord have mercy... I'm not even surprised!

 

[Beauty Mark]

You see, I'd probably make some absurd argument about it to be stupid or joke, but they were dead serious.

I'm just glad they aren't people I really talk to. I'm probably offend them somehow in saying "hello"