Passenger stabs random person on a bus and decapitates him for no apparent reason

GreekChick

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MissChievous, I'm sorry to read about your situation. It just comes to show how our society is regressing.
I'm just wondering if the passengers run the risk of facing charges considering they didn't help the victim.
There were around 36 people on that bus. I understand in a situation of panic, the instincts say "Run!" but together, they could have surrounded him and possibly neutralize him?
 

VDUB*BELLA

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This whole situation is just insane and so very sad something that I think could have only been manufactured in Hollywood. So unbelievable.

I dont know; its so hard to say what one would do given if they were in that situation. God forbid anything like this happening ever again but I think its so easy to critize and speculate what these people should have done. I think human instinct has taught us to run when one finds themselves in a life and death situation. I am still baffled by all of this and we may never get all the answers that we want. I cant even imagine how difficult it must be for a parent that has to bury their child especially when they were brutally murdered. Lets just keep the family and the victim in our prayers
 

Shaquille

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MissChievous I think it's everywhere.. not much of helped around. Something happened when I was still in the Netherlands and nobody helped when they knew something was going on.
A junkie tried to steal a bike and the cops saw what he was doing when he tried to unlock it harshly and roughly, but the cops didn't do anything..
What a sad world we live in.. and I'm sorry for what happened to you on that day..
 

Mabelle

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There's no way anyone else will be charged for not helping right away. It was too dangerous.

If they hadn't fled right away, but tried to stop the attacker, im sure he would have killed someone else. This was a strong man, with a huge knife who was acting mechanically, going for "kill spots" like the jugular. That kid didn't have much of a chance... even if someone had somehow disarmed the man, the kid would prob. still have died. He wouldn't have be decapitated, but he would be dead.

I think it's unfair to place any sort of responsibility on the other passengers. Like i heard, the tried to go back. Getting everyone else safe was, and should have been their first priority. A guy thats being stabbed in the throat like that... chances are unlikely he'll live long enough to see the ambulance arrive.

it's horrible, but short of having a gun and shooting the attacker in the head, i dont think anything could have been done to help.
 

CantAffordMAC

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Originally Posted by Mabelle
There's no way anyone else will be charged for not helping right away. It was too dangerous.

If they hadn't fled right away, but tried to stop the attacker, im sure he would have killed someone else. This was a strong man, with a huge knife who was acting mechanically, going for "kill spots" like the jugular. That kid didn't have much of a chance... even if someone had somehow disarmed the man, the kid would prob. still have died. He wouldn't have be decapitated, but he would be dead.

I think it's unfair to place any sort of responsibility on the other passengers. Like i heard, the tried to go back. Getting everyone else safe was, and should have been their first priority. A guy thats being stabbed in the throat like that... chances are unlikely he'll live long enough to see the ambulance arrive.

it's horrible, but short of having a gun and shooting the attacker in the head, i dont think anything could have been done to help.


Thats what I'm saying. Its a different story if you see someone stealing a purse, or a guy beating on his girlfriend, or somebody bullying a kid...but you cannot always be a hero. I understand that there was a group of people on the bus and they could have assembled, and TRIED to stop the man. But I'm sorry, if it were me in this situation, I would not have been able to do it. Number one, i'd be running for my own life. Number two, this man is a PSYCHOPATH. He goes off hacking someones head for no reason at all, and I am supposed to think quickly and try to stop him? I'm sorry but I think that 99% of people would have been terrified and ran away to help themselves....in a situation like that, I think its really unrealistic to think you'd be a superhero.


Again, if it were a different situation, I could understand trying to save the man. But something so sudden and unpredictable....there was nothing that could be done, and thank God nobody else was hurt.

My reaction was terrified at this story, just from reading it in text. I cannot possibly imagine seeing it for myself in person. i'd probably have to see a therapist.....this is haunting.
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GreekChick

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I see what you mean and I agree^^. I guess our legs do the talking and just flee as fast as possible.

It's also sad to know that his family won't really get to say a proper goodbye to the victim by seeing him one last time.
 

NutMeg

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Holy crap. I'm abroad right now but I live in Alberta/British Columbia and my boyfriend grew up near Brandon. Wow. This is so unreal, my heart goes out to the family and friends, and the people who were on the bus.
 

redambition

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when i heard about this i didn't believe it at first. it's such an incredible event that it sounds like it came right out of a movie.

while i am one of those people that believes in helping someone in trouble... i can't judge the other passengers who ran. who knows, i might have done something like that.
 

Nox

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Originally Posted by NicksWifey
Ok, first off, this pissed me off for many reasons.
I read this story yesterday in the news paper and my first thought was "WHY DIDN'T ANYONE STOP HIM?!?!"
You know I realize that probably not much could've been done for the helpless victim, but my god a bus full of fucking people and nobody did anything but run off the bus.
I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell I could witness that happen and not do something about it. Even if I got hurt in the process, I could not just turn my back and flee on an innocent human being that's being attacked viciously for no reason.

I seriously cannot not even begin to fathom why people behave like this and nor do I want to. My dad has told me horror stories from riding the Greyhound bus years ago when he was in the military, but I've never heard anything as bad and shocking as this.


I'll be honest, and say the first thought I had was "Why didn't anyone stop him?" All it really takes is 3-4 people and sixty seconds to disarm this guy.

But really, we can all speculate about the acts of bravery we all would've/could've/should've done, but the fact remains that we are the ones that get to sit in our comfy homes reading this while acting shocked at this horrible event. I am totally sure that so many of those passengers are now traumatized with this event. When someone is brandishing a machete-looking knife, you are trying desperately to get out of there, everybody is, and I can't imagine that the isles in a bus are all that wide. Being brave is probably not the first thing that goes through most people's minds, it does take special individuals to overcome that "Flight" mode to stay and fight.

I feel so badly for the family of that young man. That is just not a good way to die. The killer must have been criminally insane.
 

gigglegirl

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WTF guys. I decided to take a break from studying and catch up by reading the local newspaper online and surf specktra. I just came across this (as well as the story that the greyhound bus killer is on suicide watch):

Guy beheads girlfriend in Greece Seriously guys, this reminds me of the time I sat in on a meditation session and she mentioned how she doesn't watch the news b/c a lot is OTT and sensationalized, plus very depressing. I take the opinion that I want to be informed, but stories like this just sadden me beyond belief and I wonder what kind of world this is.
 

Aprilrobin

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"the only source that i saw mentioning cannibalism was the globe and mail. no one else (from what i have seen) has reported that. I think that might be a touch of sensationalism that people are going with. This is such a vile act, that would be the most macabre icing on the cake."

Eye-witnesses reported this before the other sources, including a well known blogger. I take everything I read on the net with a grain of salt but this seems to have an element of truth.

If I was to guess that anyone was to eat human flesh, I'd guess it was this kind of person.
 

Beauty Mark

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The passengers reacted, as did the bus driver. I think in situations like that, that's sometimes the most you can hope for.

If this guy were big and God only know how large a hunting knife is (I've never seen one, but I assume it's not like a pocket knife), it would be incredibly foolish for people to try to interfere. Short of shooting or stabbing the murderer, I doubt 4-5 people could assemble themselves enough to disarm and save the other guy. It's not like preventing or stopping a fight that's brewing in a bar.

I think it's very unfortunate, sad, and scary. Not a fan of Greyhound, but realistically, stuff like that can happen anywhere. We don't security check, at least in the US, any type of mass transit (bus, train, etc.), and nothing is stopping anyone from coming and murdering you when you sit at a restaurant.
 

fafinette21

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This story is so sad. I feel so bad for what that young man went through and what his family is going through right now. To lose your loved one is horrible enough, but to have lost him in such a violent manner and to have it splashed all over the news must be too much to bear.

I find no fault with the other passengers on the bus because I know I would have done the same as them. This isn't a John McClane movie, they aren't police officers trained to think on their feet in dangerous situations such as this one. It is impossible to overcome natural instinct and the instinct these people had was to save themselves. I don't see any reason for any of them to have sacrificed themselves to a hopeless cause and caused another family to lose someone. To assemble 4-5 or however many people and devise a plan to attack this man would have been useless because in that time he would have already killed that young man. Brute strength never wins over knife or fire power, all it takes is one slice. I think they did the best they could in that situation in trapping him and allowing him to be caught and that's all anyone could ask of them.

I think after the horrifying experience these people have gone through, (and will no doubt need counselling or therapy for ) it is unfair for them to be judged or have to answer to others based on their actions in what was likely the most terrifying moment of their life.
 

Brittni

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On Nancy Grace the other night it mentioned that the guy actually ate his brains. Gross. I can't imagine.

And now he's pleaing "temporary insanity." I can see insanity when it comes to snapping a little too hard on a girlfriend/boyfriend when arguing and maybe like a choke becomes choked to death (which is STILL wrong, mind you,) but this guy shouldn't get away with "temporary insanity" because he walked up from the back of the bus to this random person and decapitated him. There was some kind of intent there, you know?

It's just sickening. Even more so how he's trying to plea now. That monster should never be let out into the public again. One time too many.
 

Beauty Mark

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Temporary insanity? Seriously? It sounds pretty coldblooded and somewhat calculated. Why would you bring a hunting knife onto the bus with you? I understand storing it underneath the bus, but right in your bag?

I feel like if this man really were sane now and had a bout of temporary insanity, he'd feel horrible, take whatever's offered to him, and serve out his sentence
 

fafinette21

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And the fact that he had the forethought to lie to his boss and then lie to his wife about where he was going to be suggests some kind of premeditation.
 

Mabelle

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temp. insanity or not, he'll never be released.

ugh, well, like i said i haven't heard anything about the cannibalism. I hope that your sources are wrong, because it's just too awful. Killing and decapitating someone is awful enough... eating them? thats beyond words.
 

seonmi

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OMG, that guy should be killed or in jail for the rest of his life (sorry, he killed a person for no reason). About reacting to the situation, only listening to/reading the story also scares me, let alone witnessing it happen right in front of your eyes. I don't think people there should be criticized.
 

knoxydoll

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
The passengers reacted, as did the bus driver. I think in situations like that, that's sometimes the most you can hope for.

If this guy were big and God only know how large a hunting knife is (I've never seen one, but I assume it's not like a pocket knife), it would be incredibly foolish for people to try to interfere. Short of shooting or stabbing the murderer, I doubt 4-5 people could assemble themselves enough to disarm and save the other guy. It's not like preventing or stopping a fight that's brewing in a bar.

I think it's very unfortunate, sad, and scary. Not a fan of Greyhound, but realistically, stuff like that can happen anywhere. We don't security check, at least in the US, any type of mass transit (bus, train, etc.), and nothing is stopping anyone from coming and murdering you when you sit at a restaurant.


The guy who was sitting next to the killer said " It was like a rambo knife". So it's easy enough to assume it was a machete like blade.
 

knoxydoll

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Also I can't remember the name of the study but...
There was a study done where two + people were put in separate rooms and were connected by a intercom like system, but couldn't see each other. One person would pretend to have some kind of seizure or choking, essentially something where they needed help. If the other person was the only one on the intercom with the person needing help, more times than not they would help. However, when it was done with a group, where there was say three people all in separate rooms. People are less likely to help because they believe the other person will do it.

This isn't the only study that shows this either. It's sad but many people think this way. When you're the only one there you're more likely to help someone out because you're the only one who can. But in a group setting no one will take the responsibility to.

Also I can understand completely why these people would get off the bus before trying to help. It's sad that this happened but realistically they couldn't have saved him if they had tried because by the point shock had worn off he had probably injured past being saved medically.

The killer supposedly ran a pretty 'normal' life, as normal as I guess can be considered. It really is an outrage but he won't be out of jail ever. Even when his parole is up he'll still stuck in there. I hope at least.
 
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