Sex offenders treatable?
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Vlada
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Sexual misconduct stems deep, deep in the subconsciousness, and once it is rooted, it can be hard to trace back. Therapy can definately help uncover those roots, though to a certain extent. One would have to break down the entire psyche and reconstruct it. That's not easy at all, even with the best of help.
Still, I've read cases of sex offenders (including children) who, with the appropriate help, managed to turn themselves around (though to what degree, we cannot tell). It largely depends on the individual and how willing he is to understand himself, and help himself.
Still, I've read cases of sex offenders (including children) who, with the appropriate help, managed to turn themselves around (though to what degree, we cannot tell). It largely depends on the individual and how willing he is to understand himself, and help himself.
Beauty Mark
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I think it depends on what kind of sex offense it is, when, and why. I've read strange molestation stories between siblings where the offender eventually grows up to be a "normal" person. I don't know said people, but this could be true. A friend of mine was molested by a sibling; I don't know how or what, but the sibling is still apart of the family and both of them get along
Comparing it to other mental illnesses, I imagine that it can be treated in some sense but unless it's some freak thing, I imagine also that it'll be a life-long struggle.
Comparing it to other mental illnesses, I imagine that it can be treated in some sense but unless it's some freak thing, I imagine also that it'll be a life-long struggle.
Dizzy
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The research doesn't seem to address the fact that recidivism rates are calculated only by the people who get caught again. How many sex crimes go unreported? That would affect the findings here.
The other issue I've got is that although those numbers are relatively low, they are calculated by using the masses as part of the study. The sex offenders are released, eventually regain full freedom, and then we watch to see how many repeat the same crimes- most don't, some do, apparently. We do this with other crimes as well, but I think we can ascertain that if you're in for a sex offense it's normally a violent act; there are exceptions, but generalizations aren't made for the exception. The idea of releasing someone unmonitored and considered 'cured' by the justice system who is known to commit a violent act is unsettling to me.
Then again, I'm a critic of the school of thought that therapy can fix all behaviors not considered of the norm, so my opinion on this is far from being unbiased.
The other issue I've got is that although those numbers are relatively low, they are calculated by using the masses as part of the study. The sex offenders are released, eventually regain full freedom, and then we watch to see how many repeat the same crimes- most don't, some do, apparently. We do this with other crimes as well, but I think we can ascertain that if you're in for a sex offense it's normally a violent act; there are exceptions, but generalizations aren't made for the exception. The idea of releasing someone unmonitored and considered 'cured' by the justice system who is known to commit a violent act is unsettling to me.
Then again, I'm a critic of the school of thought that therapy can fix all behaviors not considered of the norm, so my opinion on this is far from being unbiased.
*Stargazer*
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I don't really care, tbh. I don't think we should put innocent people, particularly children, at risk. I think sex offenders (real ones - not the teens who end up on the list because of pissed of parents) should be jailed forever. Let them get therapy in jail, sure, but don't endanger the rest of society by releasing them.
I do wonder about treating young children who offend, though.
I do wonder about treating young children who offend, though.
purrtykitty
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You took the words out of my mouth. Not only that, but what about the people who NEVER get caught? IMO, I don't believe sexual predators are treatable (and I'm not talking about the ones that get punished due to angry parents, as Stargazer pointed out). Short of castration, I'm not sure there is much else that can be done other than locking them up for all eternity. My view is if you don't want to go to jail, THEN DON'T BREAK THE LAW!!
Originally Posted by Dizzy
The research doesn't seem to address the fact that recidivism rates are calculated only by the people who get caught again. How many sex crimes go unreported? That would affect the findings here. |
You took the words out of my mouth. Not only that, but what about the people who NEVER get caught? IMO, I don't believe sexual predators are treatable (and I'm not talking about the ones that get punished due to angry parents, as Stargazer pointed out). Short of castration, I'm not sure there is much else that can be done other than locking them up for all eternity. My view is if you don't want to go to jail, THEN DON'T BREAK THE LAW!!
bebegirl88
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I agree with stargazer!!!
These people should be put away for good or like they do in thailand for sex offenders
| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
I don't really care, tbh. I don't think we should put innocent people, particularly children, at risk. I think sex offenders (real ones - not the teens who end up on the list because of pissed of parents) should be jailed forever. Let them get therapy in jail, sure, but don't endanger the rest of society by releasing them. I do wonder about treating young children who offend, though. |
I agree with stargazer!!!
These people should be put away for good or like they do in thailand for sex offenders
Beauty Mark
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How young are we talking? I read one story (I think it was an advice column) where the 12 year old brother would molest the 9 year old sister (who he claims enjoyed the inappropriate touching at the time). Granted, this was the guy seeking advice (his sister was resentful of him like 30 years down the line), but he claims after lots of therapy, he's married and stable. To me, 12 years old is old enough to not molest your sister, despite her allegedly enjoying it.
I'm not sure how to word this properly, but I think for me to believe someone can be reformed and treated enough to be put back into society, it depends so much on the crime. I would more likely believe that someone who committed a crime against someone who was seemingly consenting (I know in the other story that the sister was way too young to actually consent) than someone who did something truly against the other person's will
| I do wonder about treating young children who offend, though. |
How young are we talking? I read one story (I think it was an advice column) where the 12 year old brother would molest the 9 year old sister (who he claims enjoyed the inappropriate touching at the time). Granted, this was the guy seeking advice (his sister was resentful of him like 30 years down the line), but he claims after lots of therapy, he's married and stable. To me, 12 years old is old enough to not molest your sister, despite her allegedly enjoying it.
I'm not sure how to word this properly, but I think for me to believe someone can be reformed and treated enough to be put back into society, it depends so much on the crime. I would more likely believe that someone who committed a crime against someone who was seemingly consenting (I know in the other story that the sister was way too young to actually consent) than someone who did something truly against the other person's will
*Stargazer*
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I'm talking young, like 8 years old young. It's hard to draw a line.
| Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
How young are we talking? I read one story (I think it was an advice column) where the 12 year old brother would molest the 9 year old sister (who he claims enjoyed the inappropriate touching at the time). Granted, this was the guy seeking advice (his sister was resentful of him like 30 years down the line), but he claims after lots of therapy, he's married and stable. To me, 12 years old is old enough to not molest your sister, despite her allegedly enjoying it. I'm not sure how to word this properly, but I think for me to believe someone can be reformed and treated enough to be put back into society, it depends so much on the crime. I would more likely believe that someone who committed a crime against someone who was seemingly consenting (I know in the other story that the sister was way too young to actually consent) than someone who did something truly against the other person's will |
I'm talking young, like 8 years old young. It's hard to draw a line.
Bootyliciousx
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I think it is messed up how drug dealers or people who get arrested for doing drugs, they are hurting themselves and not that it is okay, get a lot more years in prison than child molesters. It is ridiculous! It doesn't make sense.
The law is also very lenient on domestic violence casese. Many women and children have to run to shelters to get safety and protection. It doesn't make sense! The abuser should be the one running.
The law is also very lenient on domestic violence casese. Many women and children have to run to shelters to get safety and protection. It doesn't make sense! The abuser should be the one running.
V15U4L_3RR0R
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I am all for this kind of therapy. I don't think it's a case of cure though, more like management. They're taught how to manage their behavior and they go through personal therapy too as well as group therapy.
A friend of mine made an interesting point the other day. He said that he reckoned in 30 years time Pedophillia would be legal. He thinks this because of the persocution that Gay people faced back in the day and all the stigma that went with that and how being Gay is now legal and is now being accepted just about. I have to admit that I can sort of see where he is coming from.
A friend of mine made an interesting point the other day. He said that he reckoned in 30 years time Pedophillia would be legal. He thinks this because of the persocution that Gay people faced back in the day and all the stigma that went with that and how being Gay is now legal and is now being accepted just about. I have to admit that I can sort of see where he is coming from.
*Star Violet*
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I don't think it's treatable...it's a choice and they have enough time to think about whether what they want to do is right or wrong...it's not a disease as a few sexual predators have claimed.
And regarding whether young offenders change...I guess not...I was molested by my brother when I was 9 and he was 14...he knew what he was doing was not right and he even siad it...I gave him hell for it and he did apologize many times but instead of showing remorse, he started hating me! And he still does and he's married now. I thought he changed until a few weeks ago when I found out he tried to molest my niece and she was only 3 at that time!
Sexual Offenders should be jailed for life and/or should be publicly humiliated!
And regarding whether young offenders change...I guess not...I was molested by my brother when I was 9 and he was 14...he knew what he was doing was not right and he even siad it...I gave him hell for it and he did apologize many times but instead of showing remorse, he started hating me! And he still does and he's married now. I thought he changed until a few weeks ago when I found out he tried to molest my niece and she was only 3 at that time!
Sexual Offenders should be jailed for life and/or should be publicly humiliated!
SingFrAbsoltion
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I'm usually open minded when it comes to treating people but sex offenders...I don't care if there's a chance of improvement, keep these people the hell away from society.
Beauty Mark
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I don't think it's fair to compare it to homosexuality at all; that's an argument some pro-pedophilia groups make, and it really bothers me. The main difference is that homosexuals can consent. Children cannot.
| Originally Posted by V15U4L_3RR0R
I am all for this kind of therapy. I don't think it's a case of cure though, more like management. They're taught how to manage their behavior and they go through personal therapy too as well as group therapy. A friend of mine made an interesting point the other day. He said that he reckoned in 30 years time Pedophillia would be legal. He thinks this because of the persocution that Gay people faced back in the day and all the stigma that went with that and how being Gay is now legal and is now being accepted just about. I have to admit that I can sort of see where he is coming from. |
I don't think it's fair to compare it to homosexuality at all; that's an argument some pro-pedophilia groups make, and it really bothers me. The main difference is that homosexuals can consent. Children cannot.
V15U4L_3RR0R
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And that is yet another reason why we need better Sex Ed earlier on so kids know that what's happening isn't right.
Anyway that's just his opinion, not mine.
Anyway that's just his opinion, not mine.
Girl about town
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I think why take the risk, sex crimes are awful crimes that often ruin a persons life why give these perverts a chance at life, when the likelihood is they will re-offend. I think paedophiles and rapists who offend are just bad through and through and nothing can change that.
