52 years later, integration faces new Supreme Court test

*Stargazer*

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Heh, it is hypocritical, but thats also part of free speech. As long as it's not voilent towards anyone, it's just words.

But my point is that when you use your free speech rights to prevent someone else from even speaking a word. I mean, literally preventing someone else from using their voice. I call that censorship, which is the complete opposite of free speech. But if I did that to some of these liberal groups, I get called all kinds of vile names. That dirves me bonkers.
 

Beauty Mark

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In the two undergraduate universities I attended, the darker skinned students were encouraged to hang out with each other.

I can see that. There's no "German Heritage" club, for instance, at most schools; the most they'll do is something centered around the language. However, there are enough orgs that allow for every race imaginable.

I think the students at my school (I also went to a very, very liberal school on the East coas) like the segregation, though, and they encourage it while the administration does nothing. The students aren't very nice about letting anyone into their org who isn't, for instance, East Asian.

I don't think that you can totally blame the administration on everything, because you can lead a horse to water but not force it to drink. Our housing was strategically done so that there were mixes of race in our dorms. Despite the number of white students at that campus, quite a few students of color came there with a chip on their shoulders re. white students, because they had prior bad incidents involving white people in their hometowns. From what I understand from a friend, that these other students would talk about race issues against white people and have her start thinking about how she doesn't like them. These discussions are technically sanctioned by the school, but students runs the orgs without adult interference, unless they're suspected of embezzling money or hazing or other illegal activities.

These are the people I talk about, btw, when I talk about how anyone can be racist.

At that point in our lives, I'd like to think that we were adult enough to try new things and smart enough not believe everything that we are told. I don't know if forcing it is the right way, because I think people hate being told what to do.

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But my point is that when you use your free speech rights to prevent someone else from even speaking a word. I mean, literally preventing someone else from using their voice. I call that censorship, which is the complete opposite of free speech. But if I did that to some of these liberal groups, I get called all kinds of vile names. That dirves me bonkers.

I know what you're talking about. Some of the students would rip down fliers from the conservative orgs or ridiculously trash them. Ann Coulter came to my school once and everyone was really, really rude to her during the talk. I could understand protesting outside but the talk was a bit much. And I'm probably as liberal as you can get, can't stand Ann Coulter, but there were more constructive means to protest her being there. In some people's minds, freedom of speech only applies if you agree with them.

I'm not sure if those students grew up in areas where people thought that was appropriate or were lashing out at conservatives now that the liberals were in the majority. Part of me thinks it's the former, because they would form crazy arguments about liberal ideals that made no sense to me, even though I held the same belief but for different reasons.

I grew up in a very conservative part of the US, and I had to deal with people being hateful towards me for being liberal, so I always felt sympathy towards the conservative groups.
 

*Stargazer*

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I know what you're talking about. Some of the students would rip down fliers from the conservative orgs or ridiculously trash them. Ann Coulter came to my school once and everyone was really, really rude to her during the talk. I could understand protesting outside but the talk was a bit much. And I'm probably as liberal as you can get, can't stand Ann Coulter, but there were more constructive means to protest her being there. In some people's minds, freedom of speech only applies if you agree with them.

I'm not sure if those students grew up in areas where people thought that was appropriate or were lashing out at conservatives now that the liberals were in the majority. Part of me thinks it's the former, because they would form crazy arguments about liberal ideals that made no sense to me, even though I held the same belief but for different reasons.

I grew up in a very conservative part of the US, and I had to deal with people being hateful towards me for being liberal, so I always felt sympathy towards the conservative groups.



That is a perfect example of what I was talking about. I LOATHE Ann Coulter. But why is it ok to disrupt what she's saying? But if I disrupt something that say, Al Franken, is saying, I'd be labeled a bigot or a nazi or any number of nasty things. Bleah. That hypocrisy pushes my buttons.
 

macslut

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At this point, it saddens me. I wish I could shout from a rooftop about how much people are missing. I have had many people enrich my life in so many ways. If I had listened to my schools instead of actively trying to buck the system, I would have never gotten to know the people I did...and even with them, there were so many I wish I would have been able to know.
 

macslut

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I went to two different colleges. One is probably among the most liberal in the nation, while I'm not sure to what extent the other one would be classified. I noticed that the most intolerant groups and people on campus were the most liberal. Freedom of speech is something that they think only applies to them. I see this a lot more these days than when I started college 10 years ago, but I still can't figure out why some groups can't see the hypocrisy when they claim their free speech rights but deny others theirs.

It drives me crazy because I'm either one of the most liberal conservatives or one of the most conservative liberals, however I would be classified, but I just can't stand the hypocrisy coming from everywhere.

So that was totally random, but macslut's posts struck a chord with me.


Did you go to a school in Minnesota that started with Carleton and ended with College?
 

*Stargazer*

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Did you go to a school in Minnesota that started with Carleton and ended with College?

LOL. No, I went to the University of Texas at Austin. Where people smoke weed on the sidewalks between classes
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Raerae

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That is a perfect example of what I was talking about. I LOATHE Ann Coulter. But why is it ok to disrupt what she's saying? But if I disrupt something that say, Al Franken, is saying, I'd be labeled a bigot or a nazi or any number of nasty things. Bleah. That hypocrisy pushes my buttons.

Honestly, I think this is a HUGE reason why you find many whites have little sympathy with regards to the racism issue. Or view that it really doesn' exist. It has nothing to do with being racist, it's about being fed up with the double standard, and as a result it's caused a general apathy towards the plights of others.

Basically, the whole, why should i have sympathy towards you, when you have no sympathy towards me. People come together on a topic when they share soemthing in common. But when one side is constantly trivializing your issues, which are just as real as theirs, you stop caring.
 

Beauty Mark

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At this point, it saddens me. I wish I could shout from a rooftop about how much people are missing. I have had many people enrich my life in so many ways. If I had listened to my schools instead of actively trying to buck the system, I would have never gotten to know the people I did...and even with them, there were so many I wish I would have been able to know.

The world would be a better place if people realized your best friends may be shades lighter or darker than you, and it doesn't matter.

The hard part for the students who think they can only find friendships within their ethnicity is that they put up with a lot of bs. My school's South Asian group was particularly awful towards certain members, and I think because they knew that the South Asian students generally did not venture out of that group, that they could be mean and hateful without any consequences. I don't know if I'm explaining it well, but there's like a queen bee mentality and you could not rock the boat or else, you faced social exile.
 

Raerae

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Thats people's choice though. Typically students who chose to have racially varried friendships will find like minded students. You see mixed nuts groups of friends all the time. Granted it's a minority of students, but it happens. People just need to be more willing to venture out of their comfort zones.
 

*Stargazer*

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Honestly, I think this is a HUGE reason why you find many whites have little sympathy with regards to the racism issue. Or view that it really doesn' exist. It has nothing to do with being racist, it's about being fed up with the double standard, and as a result it's caused a general apathy towards the plights of others.

Basically, the whole, why should i have sympathy towards you, when you have no sympathy towards me. People come together on a topic when they share soemthing in common. But when one side is constantly trivializing your issues, which are just as real as theirs, you stop caring.


I couldn't agree with you more. Perfect comparison.
 
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