Christian Louboutin Beauty -- COMING SOON?

[Sugar & Spice]

So, I'm gonna put on my scientist hat for a moment. Some chemicals are really resistant to temperature changes, and some are not. Of the ones that are not, sometimes it is only heat or only cold that affects them and then there are some that respond poorly to both. Recently, many cosmetic companies have been moving away from synthetic chemicals and to more 'natural' oils, etc. Take BITE Beauty. Their lipsticks are notorious for sweating, and this is likely due to the oils and other ingredients they use. TF going bad quickly is probably a different symptom of the same issue (temperature-sensitivity). As much as the public is becoming more and more opposed to synthetic chemicals in cosmetics, they are often used for good reason (stability, preservatives, etc.) as well as being cheaper. I read about how CL lipsticks have a lot of oils and have taken out some synthetics...this could be the result. Think about how butters and margarines behave at different temperatures...these oils versus synthetics are no different.

It's a trade-off, and it doesn't mean the quality is poor per se...just that the formula is more sensitive. For $90 a person may not be happy with that, but chemistry (especially 'natural' (Bleh, I HATE that phrase now) chemistry) is difficult, and I assure you these companies do not do much in the way of testing the product in a way that would identify this problem. They send it out, hope for the best, and factor in write-offs into their bottom line.

Yep this is true! I was talking with my SA at Neiman's and we were talking about TF lipsticks going bad and the problem that is occurring CL and she stated the same thing. The lipsticks are expensive and it's because of the quality of how the lipsticks are formulated along with marketing of course but getting anything close to pure as possible is going to cost money. Personally I would rather pay more for quality than cheap and it's full of synthetic chemicals. I'll deal with the issues with TF & CL since I know the issue is because it's intended to be in my benefit. The CL lipsticks are amazing and I will stick with them and I'll still purchase TF as well, I'll just check my makeup ever so often and deal with any issues that transpire. I have great SAs so if I have any issues I will get my money back if I want to return anything, however I can understand if someone doesn't want to spend the money and have these issues.

 

[GreenEyedAllie]

So many times this! But I'm also biased since I hate hate hate using liners (no matter how amazing they are and how much better/longer my application will be!).

 

[ashievic]

I would not be surprised if the PR of CL comes out with these lipsticks are to be considered pieces of art. Hence more delicate and not meant to endure the wear and tear of other mundane lipsticks. It took 9 days for Nordy's to deliver a package with dumb post. That is 9 days after it was sent out.

 

[Vineetha]

While I understand the positives of superior or less chemical /mineral oil based formulations, I also feel that it is upto the brand to test its longevity & sustainability under normal conditions outside of the lab. when a consumer is ready to pay for the higher cost of materials/ingredients used, it is also required that the product they receive is tested to last a certain shelf life. while some SA's can be very helpful in replacing goods that has gone bad before the expected shelf life, a lot of us depend on online shopping for the purchases. The only option for me in case a product or lipstick going bad after few months of usage is to throw it out because at that point neither the retailer nor the company is going to assume responsibility for it! To me a mixture of best ingredients alone doesnt make a good product. Its execution, how long it lasts, shelf life, ease of usage, travel friendly etc counts. Unfortunately for me CL mattes have been a let down in that area (purely & solely based on my experience and IMO only).

 

[awickedshape]

So many times this! But I'm also biased since I hate hate hate using liners (no matter how amazing they are and how much better/longer my application will be!).

I don't like using liner much at all, myself

 

[mkoparanova]

So, I'm gonna put on my scientist hat for a moment. Some chemicals are really resistant to temperature changes, and some are not. Of the ones that are not, sometimes it is only heat or only cold that affects them and then there are some that respond poorly to both. Recently, many cosmetic companies have been moving away from synthetic chemicals and to more 'natural' oils, etc. Take BITE Beauty. Their lipsticks are notorious for sweating, and this is likely due to the oils and other ingredients they use. TF going bad quickly is probably a different symptom of the same issue (temperature-sensitivity). As much as the public is becoming more and more opposed to synthetic chemicals in cosmetics, they are often used for good reason (stability, preservatives, etc.) as well as being cheaper. I read about how CL lipsticks have a lot of oils and have taken out some synthetics...this could be the result. Think about how butters and margarines behave at different temperatures...these oils versus synthetics are no different.

It's a trade-off, and it doesn't mean the quality is poor per se...just that the formula is more sensitive. For $90 a person may not be happy with that, but chemistry (especially 'natural' (Bleh, I HATE that phrase now) chemistry) is difficult, and I assure you these companies do not do much in the way of testing the product in a way that would identify this problem. They send it out, hope for the best, and factor in write-offs into their bottom line.

Thank you for that, I'm starting to regret ordering from the US, I hope I receive them intact and I'll be extremely careful after that. As for Tom Ford lipsticks, as much as I love them, I'll think twice before buying one again. Half of my boys started smelling off a couple of months after I purchased them, same with one of the mattes. We can't return used makeup in the UK and I have too many lipsticks, so I can't use only one, out of fear that it will go off in a few months, at least not at that price.
Anyway, if everything is okay, I'll be able to go to a store next week and I'll probably go home with Rose du desert and one of the liners.

 

[awickedshape]

While I understand the positives of superior or less chemical /mineral oil based formulations, I also feel that it is upto the brand to test its longevity & sustainability under normal conditions outside of the lab. when a consumer is ready to pay for the higher cost of materials/ingredients used, it is also required that the product they receive is tested to last a certain shelf life. while some SA's can be very helpful in replacing goods that has gone bad before the expected shelf life, a lot of us depend on online shopping for the purchases. The only option for me in case a product or lipstick going bad after few months of usage is to throw it out because at that point neither the retailer nor the company is going to assume responsibility for it! To me a mixture of best ingredients alone doesnt make a good product. Its execution, how long it lasts, shelf life, ease of usage, travel friendly etc counts. Unfortunately for me CL mattes have been a let down in that area (purely & solely based on my experience and IMO only).

I totally agree.
I can't think of the ingredients or the product itself as quality if it melts and break like that. But that's my feeling.

 

[mkoparanova]

While I understand the positives of superior or less chemical /mineral oil based formulations, I also feel that it is upto the brand to test its longevity & sustainability under normal conditions outside of the lab. when a consumer is ready to pay for the higher cost of materials/ingredients used, it is also required that the product they receive is tested to last a certain shelf life. while some SA's can be very helpful in replacing goods that has gone bad before the expected shelf life, a lot of us depend on online shopping for the purchases. The only option for me in case a product or lipstick going bad after few months of usage is to throw it out because at that point neither the retailer nor the company is going to assume responsibility for it! To me a mixture of best ingredients alone doesnt make a good product. Its execution, how long it lasts, shelf life, ease of usage, travel friendly etc counts. Unfortunately for me CL mattes have been a let down in that area (purely & solely based on my experience and IMO only).

 

[GreenEyedAllie]

While I understand the positives of superior or less chemical /mineral oil based formulations, I also feel that it is upto the brand to test its longevity & sustainability under normal conditions outside of the lab. when a consumer is ready to pay for the higher cost of materials/ingredients used, it is also required that the product they receive is tested to last a certain shelf life. while some SA's can be very helpful in replacing goods that has gone bad before the expected shelf life, a lot of us depend on online shopping for the purchases. The only option for me in case a product or lipstick going bad after few months of usage is to throw it out because at that point neither the retailer nor the company is going to assume responsibility for it! To me a mixture of best ingredients alone doesnt make a good product. Its execution, how long it lasts, shelf life, ease of usage, travel friendly etc counts. Unfortunately for me CL mattes have been a let down in that area (purely & solely based on my experience and IMO only).

Well, technically they ARE. We are the guinea pigs. To do the tests you are suggesting in the manner you would expect (pre-production) would be exorbitantly expensive. Lipsticks would easily cost $100+. Far cheaper and easier to write off returns and unhappy customers, possibly reformulate, or stop making the product if it's too much trouble and not profitable. Maybe not a happy answer for us but a business smart one. Even having employees test them out would yield little usable data...we are aware of these issues, but for how many broken lipsticks are there 100 just fine? Also, remember that they are not actually required to do any testing though I am of the school that think they should (though again, that would probably make cosmetics priced high enough to render them unavailable to many people, and I personally love how all budgets can enjoy makeup!)

I agree that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, too. I hope your replacements perform better!!

 

[GreenEyedAllie]

Well, technically they ARE. We are the guinea pigs. To do the tests you are suggesting in the manner you would expect (pre-production) would be exorbitantly expensive. Lipsticks would easily cost $100+. Far cheaper and easier to write off returns and unhappy customers, possibly reformulate, or stop making the product if it's too much trouble and not profitable. Maybe not a happy answer for us but a business smart one. Even having employees test them out would yield little usable data...we are aware of these issues, but for how many broken lipsticks are there 100 just fine? Also, remember that they are not actually required to do any testing though I am of the school that think they should (though again, that would probably make cosmetics priced high enough to render them unavailable to many people, and I personally love how all budgets can enjoy makeup!)

I agree that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, too. I hope your replacements perform better!!

Meaning like Revlon, Loreal level....something like TF/CL would be even more.

ETA-I do want to clarify by testing I do not mean smearing products all over animals!

 

[awickedshape]

Awww. That would be nice but I hear you on timing.
Yes, girl. It have to be in the water lol So watch, nah! I ain drinking nothing right now hehe. But about 5 people who are close to me are all pregnant right now. Not counting the ones that just had babies in the last year or so.

I keep forgetting to mention that Karen from MBB posted that she is pregnant also

 

[maeonsaturday]

I would not be surprised if the PR of CL comes out with these lipsticks are to be considered pieces of art. Hence more delicate and not meant to endure the wear and tear of other mundane lipsticks. It took 9 days for Nordy's to deliver a package with dumb post. That is 9 days after it was sent out.

LOL honestly if they really do say this I will blacklist them forever.

 

[LauraLara]

So, I'm gonna put on my scientist hat for a moment. Some chemicals are really resistant to temperature changes, and some are not. Of the ones that are not, sometimes it is only heat or only cold that affects them and then there are some that respond poorly to both. Recently, many cosmetic companies have been moving away from synthetic chemicals and to more 'natural' oils, etc. Take BITE Beauty. Their lipsticks are notorious for sweating, and this is likely due to the oils and other ingredients they use. TF going bad quickly is probably a different symptom of the same issue (temperature-sensitivity). As much as the public is becoming more and more opposed to synthetic chemicals in cosmetics, they are often used for good reason (stability, preservatives, etc.) as well as being cheaper. I read about how CL lipsticks have a lot of oils and have taken out some synthetics...this could be the result. Think about how butters and margarines behave at different temperatures...these oils versus synthetics are no different.

It's a trade-off, and it doesn't mean the quality is poor per se...just that the formula is more sensitive. For $90 a person may not be happy with that, but chemistry (especially 'natural' (Bleh, I HATE that phrase now) chemistry) is difficult, and I assure you these companies do not do much in the way of testing the product in a way that would identify this problem. They send it out, hope for the best, and factor in write-offs into their bottom line.

Thanks for the info. Synthetic versus "natural" is NEVER as simple as people think. Some "natural" oils are very detrimental to the environment because their harvest is unsustainable and you need a larger quantity for the same results. And some synthetics are very sustainable and have no dangerous waste associated with their production or use. It would be nice if it was a simple "good" vs "bad" dichotomy, but unfortunately it is not. On the other hand some naturals need very little processing and come from excellent sources and some synthetics produce hazardous byproducts. But the point is, hating "synthetic" and loving "natural" is a trend, you really have to evaluate each ingredient separately, and that's probably not doable for most of us. Who has that kind of time? But we can at least be aware that things are more complicated than most companies want you to believe and be open to advice. And making really soft lipsticks that have to be returned, thrown out, and replaced probably generates more waste than just having a product that works the first time around. But I digress.

I'm still going to love my lipsticks though, I'm just going to be SO careful to NEVER extend them all the way!!! My bite lippies definitely sweat, but it's actually been helping me protect them. Like last time I was in mexico I noticed my lipsticks sweating and I booked it to a gas station and got a cooler full of ice, they stayed in that cooler for the rest of the trip, except when at my in-laws house where they lived in the fridge! Super high-maintenance, lol, having a cooler for your cosmetics taking up a whole car seat, but what lipstick can survive 110 degrees?! Actually my YSLs sweat a lot too, and they're super creamy.

I checked out Temptalia's review of Miss Loubi and it looks REALLY good. The only problem is she's warmer and darker than me, so things that pop on her often pull darker and more muted on me. BUT, it looks like Toxic Tale on her and Toxic Tale looks good on me. I've decided I'm getting the rouge matte because it seems like you just have to have the signature shade. I like how Bikini looks on the Beauty Professor, but she's deceivingly dark and warm-toned, so I'm worried about that too. I always think because she has blonde hair and light eyes colors will look similar on us but her skin is polar opposite from mine. For the same reason I'm worried about Tutulle, If I were going based on her swatches, I might want Tutulle more than Just Nothing, but things that look pink on her look gray on me. Just Nothing looks like what I wanted Sepia toned to be when you ladies wear it, the good kind of gray, if that makes sense. So in short, my definite list has now gone up to three more... but I HAVE to see more swatches of the afore-mentioned.

Hopefully I can choose between Miss Loubi and Bikini, do any of you have Miss Loubi and YSL 52? YSL 52 is my go to coral, so if Miss Loubi doesn't compare then I don't need it. Or what was the Toxic Tale looking coral from the Mac is Beauty collex? Make Me Gorgeous? Does anyone have Miss Loubi and that one? Because it's pretty different from YSL 52 and I like it enough I had to have it. Does anyone have NW10 skin and Tutulle and Just Nothing?

LAST comment, Diva looks pretty good in swatches. Is it an orange red like Mangrove or Lady Danger?

 

[Medgal07]

That's great! Glad you love the l/s, now we need to be so careful with them.

I know------they do seem delicate or we perceive they are because some have actually arrived broken.. I think we're so not accustomed to having to baby our lipstick.
I still love them!!! I haven't decided on a favorite though. Have your Ernie?

 

[Haviggi]

I'm worried now. The heat is not the problem because she ordered it from a UK website and she is in the UK, where it's freezing now..

i guess that i will have to go to Selfridges myself and check the one that they gonna give me for any broken base since there have been officialy many complains about the matte formula.i so want rouge matte but i am still worried so i will always keep it in the lipstick friendly weather of Sweden and not in extremely heat conditions like Greece! During my summer holidays due to the huge difference in the temperature my lipsticks that i took with me in Greece started to sweat so i put them in the fridge in order to save them from melting!(and talking about TF going bad,when i read all the reports about this incident i ran into my stash to smell them! I think that my Casablanca has started to smell more oily than vanilla scent ! I think that it will be the first to die from my TF collection but then,its the one that i wore the most compared to other TFlipsticks.has this anything to do with how quickly they go bad? The frequency of wearing them?

 

[Medgal07]

While I understand the positives of superior or less chemical /mineral oil based formulations, I also feel that it is upto the brand to test its longevity & sustainability under normal conditions outside of the lab. when a consumer is ready to pay for the higher cost of materials/ingredients used, it is also required that the product they receive is tested to last a certain shelf life. while some SA's can be very helpful in replacing goods that has gone bad before the expected shelf life, a lot of us depend on online shopping for the purchases. The only option for me in case a product or lipstick going bad after few months of usage is to throw it out because at that point neither the retailer nor the company is going to assume responsibility for it! To me a mixture of best ingredients alone doesnt make a good product. Its execution, how long it lasts, shelf life, ease of usage, travel friendly etc counts. Unfortunately for me CL mattes have been a let down in that area (purely & solely based on my experience and IMO only).

​One of my mattes arrived broken and one was just fine. Having one broken, for me, is just one too many. I did receive a matte lipstick in pristine condition and
the replacement matte lippy was also fine.
Quote: Originally Posted by awickedshape
I keep forgetting to mention that Karen from MBB posted that she is pregnant also

She posted a pic of her baby bump----I'm so happy for her. I don't recall seeing any reviews yet from Karen on the CL lipsticks.

 

[awickedshape]

[COLOR=0000FF]   Shocking!!![/COLOR]:shock:    :agree: [COLOR=0000FF]​One of my mattes arrived broken and one was just fine.  Having one broken, for me, is just one too many.  I did receive a matte[/COLOR][COLOR=0000FF] lipstick[/COLOR][COLOR=0000FF] in pristine condition and[/COLOR] [COLOR=0000FF]     the[/COLOR][COLOR=0000FF] replacement matte lippy was also fine.[/COLOR] [COLOR=0000FF]   She posted a pic of her baby bump----I'm so happy for her.  I don't recall seeing any reviews yet from Karen on the CL lipsticks.[/COLOR]

I think the only post referring to them was asking if one would prefer to spend $90. on a lipstick or on several items instead

 

[JerseyGirl]

i guess that i will have to go to Selfridges myself and check the one that they gonna give me for any broken base since there have been officialy many complains about the matte formula.i so want rouge matte but i am still worried so i will always keep it in the lipstick friendly weather of Sweden and not in extremely heat conditions like Greece! During my summer holidays due to the huge difference in the temperature my lipsticks that i took with me in Greece started to sweat so i put them in the fridge in order to save them from melting!(and talking about TF going bad,when i read all the reports about this incident i ran into my stash to smell them! I think that my Casablanca has started to smell more oily than vanilla scent ! I think that it will be the first to die from my TF collection but then,its the one that i wore the most compared to other TFlipsticks.has this anything to do with how quickly they go bad? The frequency of wearing them?

It makes sense that germs from our skin/lips would transfer to a lipstick and possibly make the formula breakdown. I imagine all lipsticks must have an ingredient to slow this down, but over time they lose their potency. The oils will go rancid no matter what. This is usually a function of temperature and time. They can only be protected for so long. So, even if not used, they will deteriorate, but if used a lot, it could happen faster. No way to predict, it all depends on the quality of the ingredients going into the lipstick to begin with. At least, that's what I think.

 

[Medgal07]

Very interesting!

It's not a matter of making it work----quite often the lipstick just looks better with a liner wether you pay $2 or $20 for the liner. I use liners with all of my lipsticks----not to make them work---my lips just look better, in my opinion with the liner------and I think it's a habit now for me. Sometimes I even line AND fill my lips w/a liner, which helps my lipstick to wear longer. It's just preference and that happens to be mine.

 

[Medgal07]

I think the only post referring to them was asking if one would prefer to spend $90. on a lipstick or on several items instead

Guess if we're in this thread and have purchased even one, that answers the question for us.