!!!!!Coastal Scents Controversy!!!!! PLEASE WATCH

[TISH1124]

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^^^ I agree if you were working in the actually manufacturing process I would say be careful...But everyday use unless you are sniffing the product like crack....you should be good...And again...CS are not the exclusive users of Silica

 

[kdemers1221]

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Originally Posted by panda0410 chemical A - ammonium? Frankly I think the whole debate has been blown way out of proportion. Silica is quite common and used in SO many products including commercial lubricants and in car components. So are we all going to boycot our cars? Are mechanics and tradesmen going to stop using lubricants? I dont think so.... The real issue is inhalation - I have a medical background and silicosis occurs almost exclusively in miners.... the scale of risk for use in cosmetics isnt remotely the same. As for the companys response, it could have been handled much better. I dont buy their items, never have, but am not likely to now either.

I was just going to say that I don't think the problem is actually the silica anymore, it's the way Coastal Scents handled the situation. Any company that is going to publicly call out a customer for merely asking people to be careful and do their own research is horrendous. The owner of Coastal Scents, Kathy, linked Erica in their forums bashing her for being ignorant. Honestly companies, I don't care who they are, can't afford horrible customer service like that. Word of mouth will ruin your company and as a consumer you'll be telling more people about your horrible experience than you will about the good one.

 

[xKiKix]

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wow, man now I wish I can cancel my order with coastal scents... it's not really the way that they handled the problem that bothers me but more with the fact that they don't seem to care about their customers (and health) and only care that they're getting money.

 

[AliVix1]

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[astronaut]

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Inhalation and prolonged skin exposure to hydric acid is bad.

On another note, Coastal Scents handled the situation very poorly. I remember when they wrote about makeup square as well. I've seen the people who work for Coastal Scents, and they just come off as sleazy people. I also don't think they truly know about their ingredients.

 

[darkorchid]

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^^ That's because they just resell it from China. I bought my 88 palette from ebay - way cheaper. Glad I did now.

With the silica thing - that's like the main ingredient in blot powders and things isn't it?! I have oily skin, and I'm pretty sure that's the key ingredient I look for in my stuff!

 

[Eire3]

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Originally Posted by panda0410 chemical A - ammonium? Frankly I think the whole debate has been blown way out of proportion. Silica is quite common and used in SO many products including commercial lubricants and in car components. So are we all going to boycot our cars? Are mechanics and tradesmen going to stop using lubricants? I dont think so.... The real issue is inhalation - I have a medical background and silicosis occurs almost exclusively in miners.... the scale of risk for use in cosmetics isnt remotely the same. As for the companys response, it could have been handled much better. I dont buy their items, never have, but am not likely to now either.

I am doing my thesis in an organic chemistry lab and i do use silica powder almost everyday. I HAVE to use a mask to breath, proper lab clothing and gloves when i use it because SILICA POWDER IT'S VERY HARMFUL IF INHALED, this is not the case of lubrificants, compact powders, gels and every kind of mixture in which silica is not fine powder (it becomes a gel in organic solvents). But if you use a loose powder with high concentration of silica, yes, that is harmful, especially if you use it every day for months or years.

Silica is harmful only when it's powder, so that it's breathable.
Remembering this i think it can be useful.

Sorry but i still have no guess what chemical B could be yet, still thinking about it, if i have a guess i'll say you

But it's strange that it is used in cosmethology since it's cancerogenic...anyway, it could be an organometallic compound, don't know which.

 

[panda0410]

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Originally Posted by Eire3 I am doing my thesis in an organic chemistry lab and i do use silica powder almost everyday. I HAVE to use a mask to breath, proper lab clothing and gloves when i use it because SILICA POWDER IT'S VERY HARMFUL IF INHALED, this is not the case of lubrificants, compact powders, gels and every kind of mixture in which silica is not fine powder (it becomes a gel in organic solvents). But if you use a loose powder with high concentration of silica, yes, that is harmful, especially if you use it every day for months or years. Silica is harmful only when it's powder, so that it's breathable. Remembering this i think it can be useful. Sorry but i still have no guess what chemical B could be yet, still thinking about it, if i have a guess i'll say you But it's strange that it is used in cosmethology since it's cancerogenic...anyway, it could be an organometallic compound, don't know which.

I am aware of this and that was the entire point of the post... its really only an issue for people who handle it where it can be inhaled and people who are exposed long term - IE MINERS and chemists in applicable fields. I also wanted to make the point that risk increases concurrently with both exposure and volume - again, its miners who work with this every day in larger volumes and its almost exclusively ONLY these people who get this disease. I studied med for two years and was a nurse prior to that so I am well aware of demographics and risk factors and those who are actually affected.

As for being used in cosmetic when its a listed carcinogenic - risk factors are calculated for use. There are LOADS of carcinogenics used in every day life, but exposure and or appilcation are calculated variables.

Chemical B was sand

 

[Eire3]

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Originally Posted by panda0410 As for being used in cosmetic when its a listed carcinogenic - risk factors are calculated for use. There are LOADS of carcinogenics used in every day life, but exposure and or appilcation are calculated variables.

This is true. But usually chemicals listed as carcinogenic are so in small quantities. But i'm just referring to what we use in the lab, maybe the ones used in cosmetic industry have a different hazard table they refer to...don't know...it seems like that considering what you said

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Originally Posted by panda0410 Chemical B was sand

Uh gosh, i didn't see it was already guessed LOL!
Hope it is harmful in huuuuge quantities or i'll never go to the beach anymore! XD


I'm very scared by the risks of chemicals

 

[panda0410]

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Originally Posted by Eire3 Uh gosh, i didn't see it was already guessed LOL! Hope it is harmful in huuuuge quantities or i'll never go to the beach anymore! XD

Certainly puts things in perspective

Chemical A is still up for grabs, I think its ammonium, but we'll have to wait until Sarah comes back to see

 

[nunu]

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Originally Posted by starangel2383 wow, i for one am glad that i have never purchased from coastal scents. i had thought about it before but now am glad that i stuck with my regular cosmetics.

Me too, i was actually thinking of purchasing one of the eyshadow poalettes for me and my sister but now i know better!

Yes, they have called out makeupsquare before and talked about her badly in their forum. She stopped making videos for a while and now i am glad she's back.

 

[nunu]

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Originally Posted by coachkitten Does coastal scents send Youtubers their products for review? I don't think that I will be purchasing products from coastal scents. I don't apprecaite any business bullying their customers.

They have sent out some items for youtubers to review. Some youtubers only reviewed what they found really good and reviewed the products that they actually have liked, but ohers have been found to false advertise the products so

And to actually call this youtuber ignorant after she reviewed their products and after telling people that it's not CS fault is pretty damn unprofessional.

It's a silly move from CS because their customers know about them from guru's on youtube and forums. So it's stupid of them to do this to one of the make up guru's who's been using their products on her videos.

Looks like they didn't learn from their mistake (what they've done to makeupsquare).

 

[caffn8me]

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OK folks, I've woken up, the wait is over. Chemical A is sodium chloride aka common salt - the sort of stuff you'd sprinkle over your food or find in the sea. It can kill people in certain circumstances and you really shouldn't inhale it. It can cause breakouts too.

The problem with data from an MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) is that you have to have some scientific background to understand it and I don't think the girl in the YouTube does. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Yes, when you are handling finely powdered silica all day long and exposed to it occupationally, there is a hazard from inhalation. You should wear appropriate protective clothing. There are plenty of manufacturing processes (from grinding to transferring between containers and packing) that can cause the powder to become airborne.

Using the makeup on yourself or others doesn't usually result in significant levels of airborne product (provided you're not doing something stupid of course). If you are put off Coastal Scents Silica Spheres Powder because of the silica content then you can't use MUFE HD Powder either as that is 100% silica powder.

You also can't use dozens of M·A·C products which contain silica too.

The risk to a consumer's health from silica exposure through normal use of makeup is negligible.

Go have a look at the MSDSs for sand, common salt and talc and see how scary and dangerous they seem. Now think about how often you come across these products in everyday life. If they were as dangerous as the girl in the YouTube video thinks then they'd be banned.

There's another thing that people haven't thought of at all and it's quite important. If you are making cosmetics, pharmaceutical or food products, you want to protect the product from being contaminated by the workers. They should wear body covering clothing, have their hair covered, wear gloves and sometimes face masks. How would anyone here feel if the cosmetic powder they bought contained hairs and dandruff from workers on the production line? Ewwww! springs to mind.

It's true that Coastal Scents may have handled this better but the whole argument that the product is dangerous is fatally flawed.

To sum it up in big letters (because most people won't bother to read my long post);

THERE IS NO HEALTH RISK TO CONSUMERS WHO USE COASTAL SCENTS SILICA SPHERES POWDER SENSIBLY.

If you snort it, you're on your own!

 

[astronaut]

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Originally Posted by caffn8me OK folks, I've woken up, the wait is over. Chemical A is sodium chloride aka common salt - the sort of stuff you'd sprinkle over your food or find in the sea. It can kill people in certain circumstances and you really shouldn't inhale it. It can cause breakouts too. The problem with data from an MSDS sheet is that you have to have some scientific background to understand it and I don't think the girl in the YouTube does. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Yes, when you are handling finely powdered silica all day long and exposed to it occupationally, there is a hazard from inhalation. You should wear appropriate protective clothing. There are plenty of manufacturing processes (from grinding to transferring between containers and packing) that can cause the powder to become airborne. Using the makeup on yourself or others doesn't usually result in significant levels of airborne product (provided you're not doing something stupid of course). If you are put off Coastal Scents Silicon Spheres Powder because of the silica content then you can't use MUFE HD Powder either as that is 100% silica powder. You also can't use dozens of M·A·C products which contain silica too. The risk to a consumer's health from silica exposure through normal use of makeup is negligible. Go have a look at the MSDS sheets for sand, common salt and talc and see how scary and dangerous they seem. Now think about how often you come across these products in everyday life. If they were as dangerous as the girl in the YouTube video thinks then they'd be banned. There's another thing that people haven't thought of at all and it's quite important. If you are making cosmetics, pharmaceutical or food products, you want to protect the product from being contaminated by the workers. They should wear body covering clothing, have their hair covered, wear gloves and sometimes face masks. How would anyone here feel if the cosmetic powder they bought contained hairs and dandruff from workers on the production line? Ewwww! springs to mind. It's true that Coastal Scents may have handled this better but the whole argument that the product is dangerous is fatally flawed.

I knew you were going to come to save the day

 

[panda0410]

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Originally Posted by caffn8me It's true that Coastal Scents may have handled this better but the whole argument that the product is dangerous is fatally flawed.

 

[caffn8me]

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Originally Posted by Eire3 Uh gosh, i didn't see it was already guessed LOL! Hope it is harmful in huuuuge quantities or i'll never go to the beach anymore! XD I'm very scared by the risks of chemicals

You'll find sand in huuuuuuuuuuge quantities on the beach. Every chemical we are exposed to in our daily lives is dangerous under certain circumstances.

Even water is deadly. Scientists have discovered that if you inject a rat with two pints of water it dies. Dangerous stuff, water.

Just because the MSDS gives alarming information and suggests protective clothing for handling a chemical doesn't mean there's any real danger from the chemical in normal everyday use.

MSDSs exist so that those who work with the chemical can be protected against possible health risks. It's partly a legal ass-covering exercise too.

Don't let the scaremongering from those without a good scientific understanding put you off. They may be genuinely concerned but they don't really know the subject they're talking about.

 

[astronaut]

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Originally Posted by caffn8me There's another thing that people haven't thought of at all and it's quite important. If you are making cosmetics, pharmaceutical or food products, you want to protect the product from being contaminated by the workers. They should wear body covering clothing, have their hair covered, wear gloves and sometimes face masks. How would anyone here feel if the cosmetic powder they bought contained hairs and dandruff from workers on the production line? Ewwww! springs to mind. It's true that Coastal Scents may have handled this better but the whole argument that the product is dangerous is fatally flawed.

I was listening to the part of her video where she tried to prove a point that if people who prepare the ingredients have to wear gloves and masks, then it is dangerous for us to us. I was thinking, well, if I had it my way, I'd want people who prepare my food to do the same!

The whole silica controversy has caused a swarm of soldiers to seek youtube videos that talk about the Coastal scents powders. Xsparkage used to have a video recommending the CS silica powder but I can't find it up anymore. I think she took it down. I have a video myself but I bought my silica spheres from TKB trading, but I did mention that coastal scents carries them as well. I did mention in my video that silica has can cause lung disease, but there shouldn't be much alarm as long as you don't snort the stuff like coke. Well, I had some people who came to warn people of the dangers of specifically, the Coastal Scents silica. One person actually said, and I quote:

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Coastal Scents powder will give you a lung disease if inhaled overtime.

I had to remind her how legally dangerous it is to make a statement like that without solid evidence.

I do sympathize with Coastal Scents in that everyone seems to be pointing at them for having dangerous silica powder, when they are all the same.

BUT, I believe that Coastal Scents are not professional and that they do not actually know about the ingredients they sell. CS actually discouraged the use of their silica powder to be used alone after they heard about silica being a carcinogen. Then they went back to say that it was safe. Had they been knowledgeable and professional in the very beginning, they could have wrote back to her saying something like:

Dear ____,
Thank you for your concern about the safety of our silica microspheres. But ... whatever.

I also heard that the shape of the silica (crystalline vs spherical) and the particle size (>1 µm) are factors when it comes to how safe the silica is. True?

 

[astronaut]

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Originally Posted by caffn8me Even water is deadly. Scientists have discovered that if you inject a rat with two pints of water it dies. Dangerous stuff, water.

I'm part of the anti-DHMO coalition myselfs.

 

[xpucu]

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Wow that video was very interesting.I heard before that many people have many problems with their costumer service.
This is very unprofessional - Coastal Scents Shame on you

 

[caffn8me]

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Originally Posted by astronaut I'm part of the anti-DHMO coalition myselfs.

It's not good to inahle either and long term skin exposure makes you all wrinkly. Every tumour ever examined has been found to contain a high level of it.

I say ban it!