Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help
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elegant-one
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This is just so sad. There is certainly nothing wrong if you believe in prayer, but you also need common sense.
SparklingWaves
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This is outrageous!
Dahlia_Rayn
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People will believe that God gives gifts to everyone, but refuse to believe they blessed some people with the gift of medicine. It's pure ignorance to let a girl die from something that has been treatable for so long. I understand not trusting the medical community sometimes, but sometimes having faith means having faith in the people who God puts here to help us.
SparklingWaves
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I love the picture of your fur angel, Dahlia Rayn.
I just had to say that.
flowerhead
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wow, her parents are imbeciles.
*Stargazer*
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A. Frickin. Men.
Originally Posted by lara
There's prayer, and then there's realising and taking advantage of the fact that God blessed some people with the knowledge, skills and patience to become doctors. |
A. Frickin. Men.
MariahGem
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Seriously. Ugh. These people sound crazier than usual. They aren't even part of a particular church? And their family members are calling the cops on them? Something is seriously wrong with these people.
Prayer is wonderful, but God helps those who help themselves. That's why he gave you a BRAIN.
So sad.
Prayer is wonderful, but God helps those who help themselves. That's why he gave you a BRAIN.
So sad.
Krasevayadancer
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Praying and believing in religion is good for giving you hope and something to believe in. Medicine is good for saving lives.
captodometer
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When adults choose not to accept medical treatment because of their religious beliefs, and end up dying, no one really seems to care. I sure don't.
And I personally don't think the fact that a child was involved in this case makes it any different: we can't just go around taking away the children of people who have religious beliefs that reject what most consider to be conventional modern medicine. When you start making policy decisions based on religion, it's possible to quickly end up in a place that most of us don't want to go: why not just sterilize anyone who claims to be a Jehovah's Witness, or take away their children if they already have any. Extreme and offensive to the max, I know, but so is a parent actually letting their child die by choosing prayer over conventional medical treatment. The reason it makes news headlines is because it happens so rarely.
Freedom of any kind, religious or otherwise, has a price. And in cases where religion and medicine come into conflict, the price is a few unfortunate deaths that could have been otherwise easily prevented.
And I personally don't think the fact that a child was involved in this case makes it any different: we can't just go around taking away the children of people who have religious beliefs that reject what most consider to be conventional modern medicine. When you start making policy decisions based on religion, it's possible to quickly end up in a place that most of us don't want to go: why not just sterilize anyone who claims to be a Jehovah's Witness, or take away their children if they already have any. Extreme and offensive to the max, I know, but so is a parent actually letting their child die by choosing prayer over conventional medical treatment. The reason it makes news headlines is because it happens so rarely.
Freedom of any kind, religious or otherwise, has a price. And in cases where religion and medicine come into conflict, the price is a few unfortunate deaths that could have been otherwise easily prevented.
user79
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I def disagree. There was a similar thread a while back about a Jehova's Witness mother who died after childbirth because she refused a blood transfusion.
If adults want to reject medical care, that is one thing.
But in the case of minors, I believe they are not in position to be fully aware of the ramifications and are not mature enough to make life or death choices, so in the case of minor children, this should no be allowed to happen. I hope the parents are charged.
| Originally Posted by captodometer
When adults choose not to accept medical treatment because of their religious beliefs, and end up dying, no one really seems to care. I sure don't. And I personally don't think the fact that a child was involved in this case makes it any different: we can't just go around taking away the children of people who have religious beliefs that reject what most consider to be conventional modern medicine. When you start making policy decisions based on religion, it's possible to quickly end up in a place that most of us don't want to go: why not just sterilize anyone who claims to be a Jehovah's Witness, or take away their children if they already have any. Extreme and offensive to the max, I know, but so is a parent actually letting their child die by choosing prayer over conventional medical treatment. The reason it makes news headlines is because it happens so rarely. Freedom of any kind, religious or otherwise, has a price. And in cases where religion and medicine come into conflict, the price is a few unfortunate deaths that could have been otherwise easily prevented. |
I def disagree. There was a similar thread a while back about a Jehova's Witness mother who died after childbirth because she refused a blood transfusion.
If adults want to reject medical care, that is one thing.
But in the case of minors, I believe they are not in position to be fully aware of the ramifications and are not mature enough to make life or death choices, so in the case of minor children, this should no be allowed to happen. I hope the parents are charged.
purrtykitty
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Yes, yes, yes...in the United States, parents have a responsibility to provide for their children's basic needs...which includes medical care. If you don't want to provide this, THEN DON'T HAVE CHILDREN!!
IMO, I think this is even worse that the Jehovah's Witness situtation because at least there, the people were part of an organized religion that they practiced regularly, even if in many people's opinions the were mis-interpreting the bible. Here, these people didn't regularly attend church, nor were they a part of any organized religion...they just felt like praying. In my mind, that's just unacceptable.
| Originally Posted by MissChievous
I def disagree. There was a similar thread a while back about a Jehova's Witness mother who died after childbirth because she refused a blood transfusion. If adults want to reject medical care, that is one thing. But in the case of minors, I believe they are not in position to be fully aware of the ramifications and are not mature enough to make life or death choices, so in the case of minor children, this should no be allowed to happen. I hope the parents are charged. |
Yes, yes, yes...in the United States, parents have a responsibility to provide for their children's basic needs...which includes medical care. If you don't want to provide this, THEN DON'T HAVE CHILDREN!!
IMO, I think this is even worse that the Jehovah's Witness situtation because at least there, the people were part of an organized religion that they practiced regularly, even if in many people's opinions the were mis-interpreting the bible. Here, these people didn't regularly attend church, nor were they a part of any organized religion...they just felt like praying. In my mind, that's just unacceptable.
GlossyAbby
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stuff like this makes me so mad! Such a beautiful girl.. Prayer is great but so is modern medicine why not do both? The state of Oregon has a church that believes in prayer adn a 1. 1.2 yr old girl died of pneumonia b/c her familya nd church decided to use prayer instead of medical help. They now have a law in Oregon that can hold parents responsible for not getting help b/c of it.
