Hate Crime In Cicero
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flowerhead
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probably gay himself..disgusting little man. what a beast
redambition
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that's horrible
words are failing me on this. it's just so irrational - attacking someone for winking at you? that's just... wow. scary that there are people out there who act like this. it's crazy.
words are failing me on this. it's just so irrational - attacking someone for winking at you? that's just... wow. scary that there are people out there who act like this. it's crazy.
Beauty Mark
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So much hate over so little alleged behavior. For all he knows, that poor man didn't wink at him.
Thank God his mother has some sense
Thank God his mother has some sense
MACa6325xi
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I think several of you have said it best. I agree.
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wow....that is fucked up. |
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| Originally Posted by flowerhead
probably gay himself..disgusting little man. what a beast |
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| Originally Posted by kimmy
ugh. what a scumbag. 
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| Originally Posted by redambition
that's horrible
words are failing me on this. it's just so irrational - attacking someone for winking at you? that's just... wow. scary that there are people out there who act like this. it's crazy. |
I think several of you have said it best. I agree.
athena123
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OK, I'm probably gonna take some heat for this but I can't help but question why an attack on a gay man is considered to be a "hate crime" when the same kind of attack on a straight man isn't. Anyone who initiates such violence against another is guilty of irrational hatred and belongs in prison. Categorizing such atrocities based solely on the gender, race or sexual orientation of the victim shouldn't make it any worse of a crime than it is.
Is the woman who's suffered the violence of rape in any less pain than the woman who's rape has been labeled a "hate crime"? Isn't the actual violation of rape an act of hatred towards women no matter her race?
Is the woman who's suffered the violence of rape in any less pain than the woman who's rape has been labeled a "hate crime"? Isn't the actual violation of rape an act of hatred towards women no matter her race?
beth_w
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It's a hate crime because it occurred because the offender 'hates' a minority. The act was a manifestation of that hate.
Without going off topic, you could argue that rape of a woman is a hate crime towards women. I think it's not classified as much for a variety of reasons. I'm only speculating, but it could be something to do with:
a) frequency of male-on-female rape vs. straight male-on-gay male rape
b) status of gay men as 'minority'
c) status of gay men as 'protected' / 'discriminated against' minority
I'm not making any judgments on the above, just answering your question.
| Originally Posted by athena123
OK, I'm probably gonna take some heat for this but I can't help but question why an attack on a gay man is considered to be a "hate crime" when the same kind of attack on a straight man isn't. Anyone who initiates such violence against another is guilty of irrational hatred and belongs in prison. Categorizing such atrocities based solely on the gender, race or sexual orientation of the victim shouldn't make it any worse of a crime than it is. Is the woman who's suffered the violence of rape in any less pain than the woman who's rape has been labeled a "hate crime"? Isn't the actual violation of rape an act of hatred towards women no matter her race? |
It's a hate crime because it occurred because the offender 'hates' a minority. The act was a manifestation of that hate.
Without going off topic, you could argue that rape of a woman is a hate crime towards women. I think it's not classified as much for a variety of reasons. I'm only speculating, but it could be something to do with:
a) frequency of male-on-female rape vs. straight male-on-gay male rape
b) status of gay men as 'minority'
c) status of gay men as 'protected' / 'discriminated against' minority
I'm not making any judgments on the above, just answering your question.
beth_w
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Ah ok.
Well, it's classified as a hate crime because it probably carries an aggravated sentence to discourage it, probably because the likelihood of violence against that minority is higher than the likelihood of violence against another social group. I think it serves a practical purpose.
Sorry if I'm going on a bit. I'm a lawyer so that's probably why I sound like a textbook.
| Originally Posted by athena123
My point is that any act of violence against another IS an act of hate in itself..... |
Ah ok.
Well, it's classified as a hate crime because it probably carries an aggravated sentence to discourage it, probably because the likelihood of violence against that minority is higher than the likelihood of violence against another social group. I think it serves a practical purpose.
Sorry if I'm going on a bit. I'm a lawyer so that's probably why I sound like a textbook.
frocher
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flowerhead
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he said himself he raped the man because that's what gays deserve. if that's not a hate crime i don't know what is...
| Originally Posted by athena123
OK, I'm probably gonna take some heat for this but I can't help but question why an attack on a gay man is considered to be a "hate crime" when the same kind of attack on a straight man isn't. Anyone who initiates such violence against another is guilty of irrational hatred and belongs in prison. Categorizing such atrocities based solely on the gender, race or sexual orientation of the victim shouldn't make it any worse of a crime than it is. Is the woman who's suffered the violence of rape in any less pain than the woman who's rape has been labeled a "hate crime"? Isn't the actual violation of rape an act of hatred towards women no matter her race? |
he said himself he raped the man because that's what gays deserve. if that's not a hate crime i don't know what is...
SparklingWaves
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My thoughts and prayers go out to the victim.
athena123
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My point that every act of violence is a hate crime seems to have been lost, or else I didn't communicate my thoughts very well. I understand the legalistic definition of a hate crime, I just don't agree with it. Any act of violence against another IS a hate crime IMO. My primary objection to the term "hate crime" is that it appears to place greater value on one type of victim over another.
