Most of us that do "trash" ds makeup HAVE tried it, in fact many have wasted a lot of money and time just trying out ds products when we could have went surefire with mac in the first place. I agree that talent/skill and tools have a great deal to do with it, and the proof of that is in the pudding. Look at Project Runway, the makeup artists used Loreal products, and the hairstylists used Tresseme (sp?), and everyone looked phenominal. To say that technique/skill and brushes are ALL that you really need to look great is a little bit of an overstatement though IMO. The brand of makeup does have a factor in the overall outcome, department store or not (hence milani, nyx etc all being amazing cosmetics). It's about quality.