MAC Prep and Prime Face SPF 50

[aquend]

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Originally Posted by martygreene I think I heard that it's 50 Singapore Dollars, but I may be incorrect. What form of sun allergy do you have? I'm allergic too, Solar urticaria variant type.

Polymorphous light eruption. Its foul business. Is yours the temporary inflamations or long term? PMLE takes a couple of hours to start (though it has the longest lasting adverse reaction) but I know some types of sun allergies are almost immediate.

 

[oblivion]

This is out in Singapore..MA says it has more shimmers in the SPF one.. but I couldn't tell the difference after applying on my hand.

 

[pinkiestarlet]

I saw it at my counter and it's SGD$58 so after conversion it's between USD$36-$37. Kinda pricey but the MA said it's worth it cos it's really SPF50! I'm pretty tempted to buy but the price is kinda steep, *sigh*

 

[koolmnbv]

MAC Prep n PRime FACE SPF 50??? WHAT IS THIS

http://www.makeupalley.com/account/t...&maxSize=50 0


http://www.makeupalley.com/account/t...&maxSize=50 0


when was this released??

 

[asnbrb]

Isn't this an Asian Exclusive?

 

[koolmnbv]

I didnt know I had never seen it b4! I would have been all over that! SPF and me are like conjoined twins!

 

[llucidity]

It serves the same purpose as the original P+P skin, just that it's got SPF 50. Another difference is that there are no shimmers in it like the original one.

 

[asteffey]

I got a CP of it.. ill let everyone know how it is.

 

[user79]

I have literally posted this on like 3 forums already because people are totally misinformed about the protection factor of SPF ratings.

SPF / Proportion of UVB blocked
SPF 10 = 90.0%
SPF 20 = 95.0%
SPF 30 = 96.7%
SPF 60 = 98.3%

The SPF is an imperfect measure of skin damage because invisible damage and skin aging is also caused by the very common ultraviolet type A, which does not cause reddening or pain. Conventional sunscreen does not block UVA as effectively as UVB, and an SPF rating of 30+ may translate to significantly lower levels of UVA protection according to a 2003 study by RAFT trust-funded researchers. Some broad spectrum sunscreens do provide significant UVA protection. According to a 2004 study, UVA also causes DNA damage to cells deep within the skin, increasing the risk of malignant melanomas.

Due to consumer confusion over the real degree and duration of protection offered, labeling restrictions are in force in several countries. In the United States in 1999, the FDA decided to institute the labelling of SPF 30+ for sunscreens offering more protection, and a similar restriction applies in Australia. This was done to discourage companies making unrealistic claims about the level of protection offered (such as "all day protection"), and because an SPF over 30 does not provide significantly better protection.



Bottom line: SPF 50 is nothing but marketing as it only offers very minimal better protection than an SPF 20 or even an SPF 15.

 

[neotrad]

I think we have it here...(in Japan)

http://www.maccosmetics.co.jp/templa...T_ID=PROD70160

If this is what you're referring to.

 

[neotrad]

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Originally Posted by aquend For those who have seen it in Asia, how much does it cost?

It's about 42US$ here in Japan.

 

[neotrad]

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Originally Posted by MissChievous Due to consumer confusion over the real degree and duration of protection offered, labeling restrictions are in force in several countries. In the United States in 1999, the FDA decided to institute the labelling of SPF 30+ for sunscreens offering more protection, and a similar restriction applies in Australia. This was done to discourage companies making unrealistic claims about the level of protection offered (such as "all day protection"), and because an SPF over 30 does not provide significantly better protection. Bottom line: SPF 50 is nothing but marketing as it only offers very minimal better protection than an SPF 20 or even an SPF 15.

Wow MissChievous! You're always informative!

I've heard a bit about what you stated here as well before. So I never go excited over the 'high' numbers after SPF. It's kind of exaggerating. I also heard that wearing strong SPF sun protection products damage your skin especially under the SUN. How ironic...

 

[koolmnbv]

I dont quite understand, if you wear to much sun protection you can hurt your skin worse? Is there no way to win this game?

 

[martygreene]

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Originally Posted by MissChievous I have literally posted this on like 3 forums already because people are totally misinformed about the protection factor of SPF ratings. SPF / Proportion of UVB blocked SPF 10 = 90.0% SPF 20 = 95.0% SPF 30 = 96.7% SPF 60 = 98.3% The SPF is an imperfect measure of skin damage because invisible damage and skin aging is also caused by the very common ultraviolet type A, which does not cause reddening or pain. Conventional sunscreen does not block UVA as effectively as UVB, and an SPF rating of 30+ may translate to significantly lower levels of UVA protection according to a 2003 study by RAFT trust-funded researchers. Some broad spectrum sunscreens do provide significant UVA protection. According to a 2004 study, UVA also causes DNA damage to cells deep within the skin, increasing the risk of malignant melanomas. Due to consumer confusion over the real degree and duration of protection offered, labeling restrictions are in force in several countries. In the United States in 1999, the FDA decided to institute the labelling of SPF 30+ for sunscreens offering more protection, and a similar restriction applies in Australia. This was done to discourage companies making unrealistic claims about the level of protection offered (such as "all day protection"), and because an SPF over 30 does not provide significantly better protection. Bottom line: SPF 50 is nothing but marketing as it only offers very minimal better protection than an SPF 20 or even an SPF 15.

For most products available in the US, I'll generally agree. The issue is that the chemicals that were previously used (you may noted the studies that were done on this were in '03 and '04) to increase UVB protection reduced the photostability and protection of the UVA agents. However, Europe and Asia have been using new chemicals with great success, which allow a higher UVB protection along with a high level of UVA protection. These chemicals haven't been approved by the FDA for manufacture by US companies, however they have OKed the import of products containing these chemicals. You can also obtain sun protection products containing them via a doctors script (I have such a script, due to sun allergy).

So while the US FDA has basically nixed the SPF ratings above 30, this doesn't mean that it is impossible to have a higher protection level, it just means you can't get it from US manufactured (or outsourced but manufactured specifically for the US) lines.

 

[koolmnbv]

So what is the best spf to get. Exact brand and item please. Also should I try to get this P&P skin spf? Lay it out what exactly should I buy to protect myself properly. I do not understand this at all and the more I read about it the more confusing it gets to me

 

[martygreene]

koolmnbv- I'd try the suggestions you recieved in your skin and bodycare forum thread.

Another good place to get information about how to properly protect yourself is your local dermatologist.

As for the Prep+Prime, it's hard to say. I don't know the chemicals it uses, and I don't know if the concentration is high enough to give an even coverage, since it is intended as a makeup primer. I would suggest choosing a proper sun protection product. As always, a physical barrier (brimmed hats, sunglasses, proper clothing) is your best protection.

 

[Deelite033]

When I went to the MAC PRO Tour 2 months ago, Gordon said product development was working on a moisturizer with SPF 50.. he also stated that they were working on making an eyelash curler comparable to Shu Uemura & also a Mineral powder foundation but in a compact form.. not sure when this is all going to happen, but it's in the works.

 

[neotrad]

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Originally Posted by Deelite033 When I went to the MAC PRO Tour 2 months ago, Gordon said product development was working on a moisturizer with SPF 50.. he also stated that they were working on making an eyelash curler comparable to Shu Uemura & also a Mineral powder foundation but in a compact form.. not sure when this is all going to happen, but it's in the works.

Sounds like fantastic plans!
I'm sooo interested in the mineral powder foundation! I'd definitely get it if it ever is going to be released!

Thank you for the info!

 

[mollyv6]

Just bought the prep and prime SPF 50...

Ok so I have wanted this since I first heard about in December b/c I am always on the hunt for a high protection sunscreen/antioxidant/moisturizer hybrid that won't get oily, be sticky or look white on my skin. I'm sensitive to most chemical sunscreens, esp. avobenzone, but I can handle others if they are mixed with zinc oxide or titanium dioxide. So, I finally bought this as soon as Nordstrom's opened and so far I have only tested it on my hand but it seems like it will be great. There is 16.1% zinc oxide and 7.5% octinoxate but no PA++ on the packaging, so will this be photostable? On MAC's site it shows the PA++ on the bottle but on my it says SPF50/FPS50. I have read the notepad on MUA re: photostability but I am still curious about this product. Any insight would be great.

 

[highheels]

Re: Just bought the prep and prime SPF 50...

Looking forward to hearing how you like it after you've worn for a day... I am considering this as well!