Man admits 24-year abuse of daughter in cellar
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Calhoune
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And I don't know about other countries in Europe but over here "life" is 25 years. What?!
They sentenced a guy to life and let him out after 15 years, that's excuse me, but retarded.
I'm not sure why most countries are so lenient over here but no matter what kind of punishment you can legally give him, it won't be enough. He's 73 he might have 10 years more or so, and that's only half of what he did to his daughter.
Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Many Europeans are idiots 
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And I don't know about other countries in Europe but over here "life" is 25 years. What?!
They sentenced a guy to life and let him out after 15 years, that's excuse me, but retarded.
I'm not sure why most countries are so lenient over here but no matter what kind of punishment you can legally give him, it won't be enough. He's 73 he might have 10 years more or so, and that's only half of what he did to his daughter.
ratmist
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Lower Austria police chief Franz Polzer said official records showed that Mr Fritzl had no criminal convictions from the past 15 years and that the statute of limitations would apply to any earlier offences he may have committed.
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Prosecutors have said Mr Fritzl faces up to 15 years in prison if he is eventually convicted on charges of raping and beating his daughter, and sequestration. They are also considering charges of "murder through failure to act" in connection with the death of one of the seven children he fathered. Police said on Monday that Mr Fritzl had admitted burning the infant's body shortly after it died.
From BBC NEWS | World | Europe | DNA 'backs Austrian incest claim'
Without knowing more about Austria's legal system, can I just point out that statute limitations feature in every legal system - including America. I don't know how this would be prosecuted in every American state or in federal court, and I doubt anyone on Specktra is a legal expert of that calibre. If someone can say for certain, I'd be happy to hear it. Personally, I'm hoping they can put him away for the rest of his life, no parole. [...]
Prosecutors have said Mr Fritzl faces up to 15 years in prison if he is eventually convicted on charges of raping and beating his daughter, and sequestration. They are also considering charges of "murder through failure to act" in connection with the death of one of the seven children he fathered. Police said on Monday that Mr Fritzl had admitted burning the infant's body shortly after it died.
From BBC NEWS | World | Europe | DNA 'backs Austrian incest claim'
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| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Many Europeans are idiots
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| Originally Posted by lipstickandhate
Many Europeans think we Americans are sadistic barbarians for our sentences. They consider themselves much more enlightened when it comes to these sorts of things. |
Can we please not get into a bashing contest between "arrogant" (the implication given above, though not directly stated) Europeans and "barbaric" Americans? It's really rude, particularly since to my knowledge the Europeans on Specktra haven't accused the Americans on Specktra of being barbaric. The entire Austrian press has written this guy up as monstrous and is baying for his blood. I have yet to read an Austrian comment in the press saying that he should receive any kind of leniency. What more do you want?
SingFrAbsoltion
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That was uncalled for.
| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Many Europeans are idiots
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That was uncalled for.
alwaysbella
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Exactly what i thought when i read this. Still, im in shock!
| Originally Posted by lipstickandhate
I don't believe that his wife didn't know what was going on. The situation where 3 of the living 6 children came to live with them- the missing daughter had dropped them off on the doorstep in the middle of the night b/c she was unable to care for them after running off with a cult-- is f*cking ridiculous. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. There is no way your husband had a sex bunker in the basement with a keypad entry system for the last QUARTER OF A CENTURY and you had no idea he was up to something nefarious. Please. |
Exactly what i thought when i read this. Still, im in shock!
Sushi.
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This is so unbelievably horrible, its still a little hard for me to take it all in. I really dont understand how he could have gotten away with this for that long.
I dont know about the prisons in Austria, but many rapests and child molestors get killed in prison by the other inmates.
the sad thing is tho even if he did get life in prison, hes already lived out most of his life.. he should have to suffer.
I dont know about the prisons in Austria, but many rapests and child molestors get killed in prison by the other inmates.
the sad thing is tho even if he did get life in prison, hes already lived out most of his life.. he should have to suffer.
OK Haute Girl
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I am a Children's Rights Advocate and I hear crazy crap all the time, but this just makes my stomach turn and skin crawl. Men like this need to be casterated and sent down under packing, I won't even lie...but then again, women are child abusers as well. This is like an even sicker version of Flowers in the Attic. May God have mercy on his pathetic soul and God bless and wrap his arms around any of the children who were involved.
GreekChick
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This is the sickest thing I have ever heard. There is kidnapping, raping, incest and assault wrapped all into one.
I read he has a criminal record, he raped or molested someone in the 60's. Authorities find it bizarre that his case wasn't reopened when his daughter went missing.
You have got to be the stupidest person when you don't realise something like this is going on inside your own house. I don't buy the wife's story at all, I mean, how the hell did he sneak food in there and everything else that comes with keeping 7 people alive, for the past 24 or so years?? Didn't se ever go down into the basement? Sure it was hidden by a library but even if the room was soundproofed, children, LOUD children were living in that cellar!
You hear about so many crimes going on in the world, but in my case, nothing has ever shocked, angried, and intrigued me such as this one. There are just so many questions raised here. The kids have never seen the outside world and everything that comes with it, they have never seen the light of day. I'm pretty sure this case will become movie material as horrible as that sounds.
I read he has a criminal record, he raped or molested someone in the 60's. Authorities find it bizarre that his case wasn't reopened when his daughter went missing.
You have got to be the stupidest person when you don't realise something like this is going on inside your own house. I don't buy the wife's story at all, I mean, how the hell did he sneak food in there and everything else that comes with keeping 7 people alive, for the past 24 or so years?? Didn't se ever go down into the basement? Sure it was hidden by a library but even if the room was soundproofed, children, LOUD children were living in that cellar!
You hear about so many crimes going on in the world, but in my case, nothing has ever shocked, angried, and intrigued me such as this one. There are just so many questions raised here. The kids have never seen the outside world and everything that comes with it, they have never seen the light of day. I'm pretty sure this case will become movie material as horrible as that sounds.
ratmist
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Ah, I just read the criminal record thing on the BBC this morning. Austria law seems quite strange.
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I don't think she's stupid. I think she was living with a monster who controlled her and prevented her from having any kind of power in that house. Anyway, she's not the only one living there that didn't know. They had lodgers living with them over the years.
| Originally Posted by GreekChick
This is the sickest thing I have ever heard. There is kidnapping, raping, incest and assault wrapped all into one. I read he has a criminal record, he raped or molested someone in the 60's. Authorities find it bizarre that his case wasn't reopened when his daughter went missing. |
Ah, I just read the criminal record thing on the BBC this morning. Austria law seems quite strange.
Austrian investigators are examining a police file on "house of horrors" father Josef Fritzl for a rape in the city of Linz dating back to 1967.
The file has been handed to prosecutors in St Poelten, a local paper, Oberoesterreichische Nachrichten (OOeN), reported on Friday. Normally it would be locked away for 50 years under Austrian law.
Austrian officials in Amstetten, where Mr Fritzl lived, said they did not know he had any previous convictions when they were conducting background checks on him.
Under Austrian law convictions can be expunged after as little as five years. BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Police study old Fritzl sex case
The authorities did investigate when his daughter went missing, but he soon produced a letter written in her handwriting saying she had joined a cult and not to look for her. Since she was 18 when she went missing, she was a legal adult in the eyes of the law, so she didn't have to come home if she didn't want to. That's why it worked so well as a perfect set up. The file has been handed to prosecutors in St Poelten, a local paper, Oberoesterreichische Nachrichten (OOeN), reported on Friday. Normally it would be locked away for 50 years under Austrian law.
Austrian officials in Amstetten, where Mr Fritzl lived, said they did not know he had any previous convictions when they were conducting background checks on him.
Under Austrian law convictions can be expunged after as little as five years. BBC NEWS | World | Europe | Police study old Fritzl sex case
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| Originally Posted by GreekChick
You have got to be the stupidest person when you don't realise something like this is going on inside your own house. I don't buy the wife's story at all, I mean, how the hell did he sneak food in there and everything else that comes with keeping 7 people alive, for the past 24 or so years?? Didn't se ever go down into the basement? Sure it was hidden by a library but even if the room was soundproofed, children, LOUD children were living in that cellar! |
I don't think she's stupid. I think she was living with a monster who controlled her and prevented her from having any kind of power in that house. Anyway, she's not the only one living there that didn't know. They had lodgers living with them over the years.
A lodger at the Austrian house where a father allegedly imprisoned and abused his daughter says he saw another man go to the cellar where the abuse happened.
Alfred Dubanovsky told the BBC the man was introduced as a plumber. His claim contradicts those of investigators who say the father, Josef Fritzl, had no accomplice.
Mr Dubanovsky, rented a room in the Fritzl house for 12 years. He and other lodgers were forbidden to go down to the cellar under threat of eviction, he told the BBC.
In his ground floor room he heard noises coming from the cellar, but Mr Fritzl passed it off as the gas heating system. Mr Dubanovsky assumed the basement was being used as a storeroom because a neighbour said Mr Fritzl often took food down to the cellar.
However, officials believe that no-one was aware of the existence of the purpose-built dungeon, citing DNA tests. "I think we can rule out accomplices," Leopold Etz, chief of homicide investigations for Lower Austria province, told the Associated Press.
Meanwhile, a sister-in-law, Christine R, told the Oesterreich newspaper that Mr Fritzl used to go into the cellar every morning at 0900 "apparently to draw plans for machines, which he sold to firms" .
"Often he even stayed down there for the night," she added. "Rosi [his wife] wasn't allowed to bring him a coffee".
The newspaper did not give Christine's family name.
She said Mr Fritzl "was a despot, I hated him". She said he "always belittled" his wife Rosemarie, who has told police she knew nothing about the captives in the windowless cellar.
BBC NEWS | World | Europe | 'Second man' at Austrian cellar
Alfred Dubanovsky told the BBC the man was introduced as a plumber. His claim contradicts those of investigators who say the father, Josef Fritzl, had no accomplice.
Mr Dubanovsky, rented a room in the Fritzl house for 12 years. He and other lodgers were forbidden to go down to the cellar under threat of eviction, he told the BBC.
In his ground floor room he heard noises coming from the cellar, but Mr Fritzl passed it off as the gas heating system. Mr Dubanovsky assumed the basement was being used as a storeroom because a neighbour said Mr Fritzl often took food down to the cellar.
However, officials believe that no-one was aware of the existence of the purpose-built dungeon, citing DNA tests. "I think we can rule out accomplices," Leopold Etz, chief of homicide investigations for Lower Austria province, told the Associated Press.
Meanwhile, a sister-in-law, Christine R, told the Oesterreich newspaper that Mr Fritzl used to go into the cellar every morning at 0900 "apparently to draw plans for machines, which he sold to firms" .
"Often he even stayed down there for the night," she added. "Rosi [his wife] wasn't allowed to bring him a coffee".
The newspaper did not give Christine's family name.
She said Mr Fritzl "was a despot, I hated him". She said he "always belittled" his wife Rosemarie, who has told police she knew nothing about the captives in the windowless cellar.
BBC NEWS | World | Europe | 'Second man' at Austrian cellar
redambition
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Please don't send him to us
transportation is so passe.
(really lame attempt to bring some humour into this thread ends... here.)
the previous convictions aren't really a surprise to me. someone doesn't decide overnight to become a person like him. that sort of attitude and controlling behaviour develops from a young age and takes many years to get to that stage.
| Originally Posted by OK Haute Girl
Men like this need to be casterated and sent down under packing, <snip> |
Please don't send him to us
(really lame attempt to bring some humour into this thread ends... here.)
the previous convictions aren't really a surprise to me. someone doesn't decide overnight to become a person like him. that sort of attitude and controlling behaviour develops from a young age and takes many years to get to that stage.
OK Haute Girl
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Chuckle...muwahaha.. I was thinking more along the lines of 'Haites'
| Originally Posted by redambition
Please don't send him to us
(really lame attempt to bring some humour into this thread ends... here.) |
Chuckle...muwahaha.. I was thinking more along the lines of 'Haites'
elegant-one
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This is so sick!
Put him in the same cellar, lock the door and then revisit him in say....ah, 50 years!
Put him in the same cellar, lock the door and then revisit him in say....ah, 50 years!
Beauty Mark
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I still don't get how his wife didn't know for all that time or wasn't at least suspicious. Even if she couldn't hear anything or ponder why he was spending time in the basement so much, didn't she ever wonder why they spent all that extra money on food? Or utilities? Or extra garbage?
It really does blow my mind that she could be that clueless. Her husband must be a genius or she must be dumb or in denial or abused as well
It really does blow my mind that she could be that clueless. Her husband must be a genius or she must be dumb or in denial or abused as well
Simply Elegant
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I think it would be near impossible not to notice something and question it after such a long time. I think she's just ashamed for letting it go on for so long without telling someone who could do something about it.
redambition
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i'm guessing that his controlling nature extended to his wife as well. it wouldn't be too hard if he controlled the finances, the shopping, the bills and everything else.
i know it seems crazy, but someone who is being controlled like that (or is putting up with the controlling behaviour of someone else) really doesn't question these things. it becomes the way things are, because the person doing the controlling basically steamrolls over anyone who opposes them.
| Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
I still don't get how his wife didn't know for all that time or wasn't at least suspicious. Even if she couldn't hear anything or ponder why he was spending time in the basement so much, didn't she ever wonder why they spent all that extra money on food? Or utilities? Or extra garbage? It really does blow my mind that she could be that clueless. Her husband must be a genius or she must be dumb or in denial or abused as well |
i'm guessing that his controlling nature extended to his wife as well. it wouldn't be too hard if he controlled the finances, the shopping, the bills and everything else.
i know it seems crazy, but someone who is being controlled like that (or is putting up with the controlling behaviour of someone else) really doesn't question these things. it becomes the way things are, because the person doing the controlling basically steamrolls over anyone who opposes them.
