murderer gets PROBATION.

GalleyGirl

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Originally Posted by ZLoves2Shop
Read the article carefully. Quote from the article
“The judge dissected the accident events beginning with the initial car-to-car collision and noted that Weller had enough control of his own vehicle to steer away from cars and trucks within the farmers market.

"Mr. Weller chose to steer into the people, plowing into the crowd and literally launching bodies into the air as his car sped 2½ blocks," the judge said. “

The way I am reading this, he could have crashed into another car and possibly stopped his car, but instead he chose to steer away from the other cars (so that he would not get hurt) & purposely steered his car towards the people saving himself from harm without regard for their lives. He did not have to be drunk nor on medication to make this decision, he is so arrogant that although in his 80’s he has lived a full life, he saw his life and his vehicle to be far more important than the life of other human beings.

Retaking the test and a doctors note is not enough. Old people should not drive. Anyone of any age who makes the same decision he chose, should be dealt life in prison.


You're right...I edit my stance on this.
 

MxAxC-_ATTACK

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Originally Posted by ZLoves2Shop
Retaking the test and a doctors note is not enough. Old people should not drive.

I disagree. I think that they are fully capable of driving a vehicle in a safe manner than It should be OK for them to drive. This man of course was NOT capable of driving in a safe manner.
 

freckles

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All of you have interesting and valid points-- but the most important thing someone mentioned here is that it would be better that the specific details of the circumstances of the accident be learned before judgement is passed by anyone here. Keep in mind that likely the article released would be aimed at casting a critical light upon the judicial system; rarely do peices of work on matters of the law get published otherwise.

Yes- the man did make what would seem to us (people who were not actually in his position, were not of his age, and more importantly, would not have really known his state of mind at the time of the incident as it occured) and more than likely to him, now, a bad decision (it was obviously more than just a bad decision-- I'm not cold hearted, I think what he did was terrible and yes it did take lives and to simplify what he did as a 'decision' seems detatched and apathetic)---but he had to avoid hitting a car.

If you wanted to avoid hitting a car the first thing you do is brake, or, more unsafely, but still justifiably, swerve out of the way. He missed the brake.

He panicked. His judgement was poor- possibly because of his old age, possibly not. If we put any one of us in his position, there is still a possibility-- a reasonable possibility that we would freeze or make wrong decisions, or lose control of the car, or just not even realise that what we are doing is incredibly dangerous and wrong.

If you hit someone. If anyone hits someone on the road. YOu will most likely STOP! Right? what if all of a sudden you hit 2 or 3 people that are close together. Your mind will be in greater dissarray. But the car doesnt seem to be slowing fast enough!! Which pedal was it again? Why isnt the car stopping?!?! How do I get back onto the road? But I can't! Can I? What am I doing?!?!!

You can see how quickly a situation can get totally out of hand...

In moments of panic, no one thinks clearly. This certainly doesn't justify what he did. But you can see how the maximum sentence of someone who deliberately drives into a crowd of people bent on bloodshed would compare to a man who shows remorse and who additionally, shows little to now volition or intention to do what he did.

Put yourself in his shoes.

I feel very sorry for the people that lost their lives or were hurt from this incident--particularly their family members. What he did would have affected the lives of many, many people. But the law's sole purpose is not to grant retribution to victims. In that, justice itself is not always served. But on the whole, I think that in this circumstance, his age, his thoughts at the time of the incident and following on thereafter, and his personality in general would have played a major part in his setencing-- a murderer who gloats and shows no remorse is clearly going to be looked upon less favourably than one who is aware that he or she has done wrong and is sorry (along with more trivial economic details that were more likely the judges' way of justifying their decision-- let's face it. Putting one man in prison will hardly put a dent in any national treasury).

But these things are only factors in sentencing-- how much punishment this man should be given. He was found guilty. His punishment was just tailored to his circumstance-- as it would be for any other person going through the system.

The judge did what he or she did for a reason; surely there will be bad judgements made, but as you can see, there are many things that are initially not obvious that need to be considered before passing judgement yourself upon the decisions of the courts.
 

asnbrb

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I agree with ZLoves2Shop. My grandpa once passed the driver's test with flying colors, but one look at him on another day and it was clear that he SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING. Anyone can tell you that older people can have lucid days and not so lucid days-- days where they're fully functional and days when... they're not. It's sometimes just sheer luck that they're functional on the days where they take the test.

I also find it interesting that the man didn't stop for 2 1/2 blocks and didn't hit any cars. Yes, swerving out of the way and accidentally stepping on the gas instead of the brake are two very acceptable answers to what happened, but he went on for 2/12 BLOCKS.

Is he guilty? Yes, that was found in the trial. Should he have gone to prison-- yes, I do believe he should have, but he didn't. Why?

I believe that the real reason is that prisons are not equipped to care for people with health issues (something a person who is elderly will surely have sooner or later). Their health facilities are sometimes sorely lacking- to the point where a prison sentence is a death sentence. Also, seeing the article, the man had severe heart disease. Even if he was covered by Medicaid, your Medicaid case is closed if you go to jail. Bills for treatment could probably reach in the several hundred thousands (a year), more if he had a disease like cancer along with housing/food/any studies that he might want to do while incarcerated.

I do believe that he should have gone to jail, no health equipment or not. What he did was reprehensible and should have been punished more harshly. If he had passed in jail-- well, that's a shorter term that we would have paid his bills for, isn't it? (I know, I'm a harsh little b*tch, but I'm a deep believer in being punished for your crimes.)

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Ms. Z

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When this crime occurred, it did make the news here in New York city. C’mon 2 ½ blocks….he steered away from other cars and only hit pedestrians for 2 ½ blocks!

I m less than 1/2 this man age, and made a choice in my early 20’s not to drive. I am not in good health and sometimes I have senior citizen episodes. I could never live w/myself if I were to hurt anyone. For the sake of mankind, I decided no driving for me.

You have a bad leg and your car needs special equipment for you to drive it? Don’t drive! I guess if you live in the country or mountains in the middle of nowhere, you may need to drive; but you live in the city…. take mass transit.

I’m sure that if this were me, the judge would have no problem sentencing me to life in prison although I am in worse health than that Grim Reaper George Russell Weller.
 
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