Nail Polish Discussion - Any Brand

[Anitacska]

I will of course blame you if Mad World is awful!!!
Thanks, RWT was one of the early indie brands I tried, have to say they had a fab range at the time, not so much recently though.
I don't know what the whole suddenly everyone's selling Tonic thing is about, of course I've seen them advertised, and they do look stunning though I've resisted. The colours look beautifully saturated, and they look just as good in your pic, so I hope to see one on you soon!
Nice manis, though of course I prefer the stunning purple, which I do own, so yay!!!!
Ouchie on the nail thing, looks painful, I cracked my thumbnail really far down this week - somehow, didn't even know I'd done it till I removed my polish and there it was. I've done a teabag repair, it was way low down, though nothing like what you've done, just a small side crack.

Thanks. Yes that purple is gorgeous!

Sorry to hear about your nail too. I've had a side crack on my right ring finger nail that I've patched up, but like you said, this is entirely something else. Luckily it's stopped hurting now and I've cut it down as much as I could, but it's still so far away from the free edge of the nail that I have to keep a plaster on it at all times. Also I'm not brave enough to take the polish off it and patch it up yet. Maybe another week.

Yes, I was most surprised and pleased to get the email about a freebie (I wonder if I get 2 since I ordered both times??? I didn't ask for the shipments to be sent together because she said that was only an option for overseas, and mine are going to Stackry, so double consolidation fees of course).
I hadn't heard about the new one, it looks cool, and I usually go for the holiday holo, which hopefully won't be a mystery (it isn't usually).
CHELSEA IF YOU'RE STILL STALKING ANITA, PLEASE DO A PREORDER FROM THE START FOR THE NEW ONES, THANK YOU!!!

You crack me up! I very much doubt that she's stalking me, but she did respond to someone in the FB group about the delay in shipping, so she's reading that at least. I've only just got my shipping notice for the pre-order on the 11th which is really poor, I didn't order the second time, so would've liked some priority over those who ordered then. I still have the Illyrian order in transit to Stackry as well as this EP order, and then I can send them all (65 polishes plus a couple of freebies in total). Looking forward to that package!

I've only received a couple of my Black Friday orders (Harlow and C4N), both took ages to arrive, plus I got a couple of RC orders as well, one I actually placed ages ago with the EdM exclusive pre-order.

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Harlow & Co.

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C4N

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RC

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RC

I also got these few Barry M polishes (the two on the right were free):

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I'll come back later with my manis, but I need to put up some lights outside before it gets dark.

 

[Anitacska]

Right I'm back. Forgot to say about the EPs, I'm pretty sure the Holiday monthlies are usually mysteries too, no? I can't remember. Ah well, we'll see. If I can buy it together with the collab shade then I'll get it even if it's a mystery, otherwise I won't.

Also forgot to say that I've seen pictures of Liquid Love (the freebie). Do you want to see it or wait to receive it?

I'm still sporting a plaster, so excuse my missing nail. I tried, but I can't take pictures of my right hand, I'm too right handed and can't function with my left hand, so have to show you my left hand.

First mani is Darling Diva Bump & Grind with YSL Rose Gold stamping (there's copper flakies in the polish):

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Second one is CbL Falsetto Child with foil stamping that I saw someone do on IG and tried to copy, but of course it didn't come out as well. Still pretty though.

 

[Anitacska]

Next up is Lilypad Lacquer Timeless Momint:

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And my current mani is Accessorize Purple Passion (2011 untried) with Grace-full Evening Dreams on the accents. First time I used one of my Grace-fulls and this one is really pretty and very shifty.

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[Anneri]

Sorry I've been MIA again, I'm leaving for home on Wednesday and I'm totally swamped not only with work but with everything. Can someone please cancel christmas? Next year I want to go to some tropical island for sure!!!!
Soooooooo - I've tried out a few new brands and I'm a bit meh mostly. Illyrian Blue Moon was very meh, thick and didn't look at all like their swatch pics and Native War Paints Cable Knit Sweater was nice enough, but nothing out of the ordinary, really. I'm wearing a Fancy Gloss thermal right now that's nicely reactive, but the base colour is a bit dull. Honestly, I've enjoyed my new CBLs the most of the bunch. Good formula, and maybe not the most innovative in terms of finish, but she manages to get it just right.

I'm looking forward to my EPs - maybe they'll arrive at my parents' when I'm there (they shipped already) and judging from pictures I like Liquid Love. I've totally forgotten what else is at my parents - I guess it's a lot! (Makeup, nail polishes, skincare.)

Hope your finger is getting better Anita! That looked nasty.

 

[Anitacska]

Sorry I've been MIA again, I'm leaving for home on Wednesday and I'm totally swamped not only with work but with everything. Can someone please cancel christmas? Next year I want to go to some tropical island for sure!!!!
Soooooooo - I've tried out a few new brands and I'm a bit meh mostly. Illyrian Blue Moon was very meh, thick and didn't look at all like their swatch pics and Native War Paints Cable Knit Sweater was nice enough, but nothing out of the ordinary, really. I'm wearing a Fancy Gloss thermal right now that's nicely reactive, but the base colour is a bit dull. Honestly, I've enjoyed my new CBLs the most of the bunch. Good formula, and maybe not the most innovative in terms of finish, but she manages to get it just right.

I'm looking forward to my EPs - maybe they'll arrive at my parents' when I'm there (they shipped already) and judging from pictures I like Liquid Love. I've totally forgotten what else is at my parents - I guess it's a lot! (Makeup, nail polishes, skincare.)

Hope your finger is getting better Anita! That looked nasty.

Hi Anneri! How exciting going home to all your pretties (and of course your family too, lol). But a tropical island would be lovely too. I'm actually quite relaxed about Christmas, it's just going to be the 5 of us (ex is coming over for Christmas Eve and Christmas Day as it wouldn't be nice for him to have to spend Christmas alone), plus my Mum's coming over for a few days from Boxing Day. But I am a bit behind and beginning to worry, mostly because my children haven't given me many ideas on what they want for Christmas and at this age it's very difficult to just buy something. They all have asked for a few things and I have ordered them, but I feel like they won't have enough presents under the tree. I'm trying to rack my brain what they'd like, but I don't have any ideas. Argh! On the upside, it's going to be a fairly cheap Christmas, lol.

Sorry to hear Illyrian Blue Moon wasn't as nice as you'd hoped. I have that one sitting in MMB, it looks so lovely, shame it's not that nice. I haven't actually tried any of my Illyrians, shame on me! I have looked at those NWP polishes a few times, but never took the plunge, I don't think I'll bother now. I only have one Fancy Gloss thermal that I never wore, it used to be bright blue, now it's a light mint green and the thermal effect is completely dead. Oh well. I also have another one that's not a thermal, also unworn. Trying to wear some more thermals this year before they all die on me. One of my old Funs has stopped reacting too. It is from Christmas 2013 though. I know what you mean about CbL, great quality, Nail Mail was almost a one-coater.

I also like Liquid Love, I think it's pretty. I'm glad it's not a shimmer though.

Thanks, my finger is much better and doesn't hurt anymore, so I'm going to be brave and patch it up and stick a falsie on it. I also have a side break on my right ring fingernail and the repair's now given up, so I've trimmed it down and will also put a stick on nail on top of it. Can't be bothered with patching up and plasters.

I'm picking up my Femme Fatales from the lady who ran our group buy (November and December) and my Glams should arrive tomorrow too, if I don't miss MyHermes. I have 22 Glams coming (I think).

Have a safe trip and enjoy your stay and your goodies in Germany. And Merry Christmas if we don't speak before then! And don't forget the new pretty EP on the 16th!

 

[Anitacska]

So the EP PRE-ORDER (!!!) starts at 9 am pst tomorrow and ends at 9 pm pst on Saturday. I think that's 5 pm UK time. I'm planning on ordering the Holiday mystery holo and Prism of Darkness.

Got my Glam and Femme Fatale stuff on Tuesday, really like everything, especially the FF polishes.

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Everything else is now at Stackry except for my Illyrian order that should be delivered today. I need to consolidate and ship asap so they arrive before Christmas.

I've fixed up my nail, managed to actually trim it down all the way to the break, the skin had toughened up a bit, but the nail is extremely short, so decided to stick a falsie on it. I think it looks okay. I also stuck one over my ring fingernail on my right hand as it had a side break that was quite low down, so I cut that nail short too.

First mani is Femme Fatale Hexweave, really pretty, shifty polish with lots of flakies.

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My current mani is Lilypad Lacquer Heart of Gold with Glam Polish Ornate and stamping. The Lilypad has gold to purple shimmer, so it looks really different from different angles.

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Panicking about Christmas now, still need to buy a few presents and lots of food. Eek!

 

[Anitacska]

Have you ordered your EPs? I got Prism of Darkness and Holiday 2016. Now we wait, lol.

Also just paid $100 shipping for my Stackry stuff. *gulp* 75 bottles of polish and 6 stamping plates. Hope they arrive before Friday.

 

[PearlyQueen]

Thanks. Yes that purple is gorgeous!

Sorry to hear about your nail too. I've had a side crack on my right ring finger nail that I've patched up, but like you said, this is entirely something else. Luckily it's stopped hurting now and I've cut it down as much as I could, but it's still so far away from the free edge of the nail that I have to keep a plaster on it at all times. Also I'm not brave enough to take the polish off it and patch it up yet. Maybe another week.



You crack me up! I very much doubt that she's stalking me, but she did respond to someone in the FB group about the delay in shipping, so she's reading that at least. I've only just got my shipping notice for the pre-order on the 11th which is really poor, I didn't order the second time, so would've liked some priority over those who ordered then. I still have the Illyrian order in transit to Stackry as well as this EP order, and then I can send them all (65 polishes plus a couple of freebies in total). Looking forward to that package!

I've only received a couple of my Black Friday orders (Harlow and C4N), both took ages to arrive, plus I got a couple of RC orders as well, one I actually placed ages ago with the EdM exclusive pre-order.

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Harlow & Co.

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C4N

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RC

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RC

I also got these few Barry M polishes (the two on the right were free):

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I'll come back later with my manis, but I need to put up some lights outside before it gets dark.

Ha, I reckon that pre-order we got was entirely down to my post!
I ordered both times and she did combine my packages without being asked (so only one freebie for me, and only one consolidation fee!).
Your orders look great - and that Tonic really stands out..
Free polishes, yay!!!

 

[PearlyQueen]

Right I'm back. Forgot to say about the EPs, I'm pretty sure the Holiday monthlies are usually mysteries too, no? I can't remember. Ah well, we'll see. If I can buy it together with the collab shade then I'll get it even if it's a mystery, otherwise I won't.

Also forgot to say that I've seen pictures of Liquid Love (the freebie). Do you want to see it or wait to receive it?

I'm still sporting a plaster, so excuse my missing nail. I tried, but I can't take pictures of my right hand, I'm too right handed and can't function with my left hand, so have to show you my left hand.

First mani is Darling Diva Bump & Grind with YSL Rose Gold stamping (there's copper flakies in the polish):

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Second one is CbL Falsetto Child with foil stamping that I saw someone do on IG and tried to copy, but of course it didn't come out as well. Still pretty though.

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You're right, they are always mysteries, I don't know how I forgot...
Feel free to post freebie swatches, I won't see it for a long time to come, and I think I saw a bottle shot already.
I adore the foil stamping, great idea!

 

[PearlyQueen]

Next up is Lilypad Lacquer Timeless Momint:

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And my current mani is Accessorize Purple Passion (2011 untried) with Grace-full Evening Dreams on the accents. First time I used one of my Grace-fulls and this one is really pretty and very shifty.

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This is lovely, two fantastic manis - but I'm a huge fan of the Grace-full in particular (I have it, must wear....)

 

[PearlyQueen]

Sorry I've been MIA again, I'm leaving for home on Wednesday and I'm totally swamped not only with work but with everything. Can someone please cancel christmas? Next year I want to go to some tropical island for sure!!!!
Soooooooo - I've tried out a few new brands and I'm a bit meh mostly. Illyrian Blue Moon was very meh, thick and didn't look at all like their swatch pics and Native War Paints Cable Knit Sweater was nice enough, but nothing out of the ordinary, really. I'm wearing a Fancy Gloss thermal right now that's nicely reactive, but the base colour is a bit dull. Honestly, I've enjoyed my new CBLs the most of the bunch. Good formula, and maybe not the most innovative in terms of finish, but she manages to get it just right.

I'm looking forward to my EPs - maybe they'll arrive at my parents' when I'm there (they shipped already) and judging from pictures I like Liquid Love. I've totally forgotten what else is at my parents - I guess it's a lot! (Makeup, nail polishes, skincare.)

Hope your finger is getting better Anita! That looked nasty.

Hiya! Nice to hear from you again!
Shame you've not loved your new brands - I will say I had no issues with the Illyrian I wore recently. I have a few NWP ones on the way, but I've been wondering if they looked a bit ordinary!
Mind you, CbLs are so good, it's not surprising that you love them so much more!

 

[PearlyQueen]

So the EP PRE-ORDER (!!!) starts at 9 am pst tomorrow and ends at 9 pm pst on Saturday. I think that's 5 pm UK time. I'm planning on ordering the Holiday mystery holo and Prism of Darkness.

Got my Glam and Femme Fatale stuff on Tuesday, really like everything, especially the FF polishes.

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Everything else is now at Stackry except for my Illyrian order that should be delivered today. I need to consolidate and ship asap so they arrive before Christmas.

I've fixed up my nail, managed to actually trim it down all the way to the break, the skin had toughened up a bit, but the nail is extremely short, so decided to stick a falsie on it. I think it looks okay. I also stuck one over my ring fingernail on my right hand as it had a side break that was quite low down, so I cut that nail short too.

First mani is Femme Fatale Hexweave, really pretty, shifty polish with lots of flakies.

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My current mani is Lilypad Lacquer Heart of Gold with Glam Polish Ornate and stamping. The Lilypad has gold to purple shimmer, so it looks really different from different angles.

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Panicking about Christmas now, still need to buy a few presents and lots of food. Eek!

Nice hauls! Lovely shades there.
Your nail looks great now, so much better than cropping it and leaving it.
Hexweave is nice, I was really close to getting it but I read it was really similar to another FF stockiest exclusive I already have (can't recall which one!) so I skipped it.
Love your Xmassy mani loads- fab polishes and a pretty design!!!

 

[PearlyQueen]

Have you ordered your EPs? I got Prism of Darkness and Holiday 2016. Now we wait, lol.

Also just paid $100 shipping for my Stackry stuff. *gulp* 75 bottles of polish and 6 stamping plates. Hope they arrive before Friday.

I got both too!
Stackry does add up, but it's usually cheaper than the individual charges - and yay for no Customs!
So far I've been landed for one RM fee from my BF shopping - and even that was way marked down to $20 value so would have got under the threshold up until the pound crashed...

 

[PearlyQueen]

Hiya!!!
I've had IT issues... nearly brained by a falling standard lamp, but it killed my laptop instead of me. But I'm back... and I have manis!

KBShimmer Leaf of Faith:



Colors by Llarowe - The Fallen:


Nails Inc - Prince Albert Road


E.l.f Cosmetics - Metal Madness:


Bad Apple Cosmetics - Arlet

 

[Anitacska]

Hiya!!!
I've had IT issues... nearly brained by a falling standard lamp, but it killed my laptop instead of me. But I'm back... and I have manis!

KBShimmer Leaf of Faith:
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Colors by Llarowe - The Fallen:
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Nails Inc - Prince Albert Road
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E.l.f Cosmetics - Metal Madness:
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Bad Apple Cosmetics - Arlet
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OMG! Glad you're alive! RIP laptop!

Lovely manis, I especially like the CbL which I own, but haven't worn of course.

Ha, I reckon that pre-order we got was entirely down to my post!
I ordered both times and she did combine my packages without being asked (so only one freebie for me, and only one consolidation fee!).
Your orders look great - and that Tonic really stands out..
Free polishes, yay!!!

Well you never know. In that case, Chelsea, can you make every launch a pre-order and include a free polish with every order form now on! Also, no more mysteries please. Thank you.

Thanks. The Tonics are all very stunning. Hope they are nice to wear too, haven't actually tried them yet. I ordered another 5 the other day.

You're right, they are always mysteries, I don't know how I forgot...
Feel free to post freebie swatches, I won't see it for a long time to come, and I think I saw a bottle shot already.
I adore the foil stamping, great idea!

Thank you!

I'll find some swatch pictures of Liquid Love. I received mine on Tuesday along with the other 76 bottles and it's very pretty. People said it looks like Vintage, but I don't think it does, however, I haven't compared them yet.

This is lovely, two fantastic manis - but I'm a huge fan of the Grace-full in particular (I have it, must wear....)

Thank you! Yes, I did love the Grace-full, it was my first time wearing one, so just as well as I have another 12 untried bottles.

Nice hauls! Lovely shades there.
Your nail looks great now, so much better than cropping it and leaving it.
Hexweave is nice, I was really close to getting it but I read it was really similar to another FF stockiest exclusive I already have (can't recall which one!) so I skipped it.
Love your Xmassy mani loads- fab polishes and a pretty design!!!

Thank you on all counts!

I have since broken my index finger nail quite low and also have a bad side break on my thumb, have patched that up, but not sure if it will hold. Don't know what's going on!

I got both too!
Stackry does add up, but it's usually cheaper than the individual charges - and yay for no Customs!
So far I've been landed for one RM fee from my BF shopping - and even that was way marked down to $20 value so would have got under the threshold up until the pound crashed...

That's annoying about the customs charge.

I have been charged by DHL on every occasion lately, but this time I did have to put a higher value on the package as I had 76 bottles of polish and also some other bits and bobs. I got charged £23 which isn't actually bad, I'm sure I had stuff in excess of $600 in there!

Will come back with some pictures later.

 

[Anitacska]

I've found this link on Liquid Love: Enchanted Polish: Liquid Love vs Vintage – Yvy Vernis

So here's the contents of my massive Stackry package. Annoyingly I'm missing a Diff Dim polish, but I have no way of telling if she forgot to include it in the package or Stackry mislaid/stole it. At least it's not one of the LE polishes, so I can repurchase it when I next order.

By the way, I have a 25% off code with Diff Dim, does anyone want it? It expires on New Year's Eve, but I really can't order anything now until mid-January as my credit card bill is humongous, so I'm happy to pass it on.

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The other bits are mostly freebies except for the 6 BM stamping plates. I also got 3 freebie nail polishes (EP, FM and PFD). I haven't had much time to do anything with them, just unwrapped them and took quick photos. My children are now finished and I've been really busy with cleaning and shopping as well. Never mind.

I also got a couple of CbLs from my friend, Fast Eddie and Humility. She's a bit annoying (hope she doesn't read this) as she's ALWAYS destashing and downsizing, but she's always buying more polishes too and I don't really get it. But on the upside, I got these two for £6 each, so it's good for me, lol.



I got to go food shopping, but will post my manis later.

 

[Anitacska]

Right, here are my most recent manis. First one is Nails Inc Exhibition Road with H&M Wintersky, I used vinyls to create the image.

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Next one is Urban Decay Wrecked (2011 untried) with Glam Polish Suspicious Minds and stamping with Color Alike Some Kind of White. Messed it up somewhat. but it was alright.



My current mani is Urban Decay Gunmetal (another 2011 untried) with Different Dimension Pothos and stamping with YSL White Gold and Color Alike Raindrop. I've broken my index finger nail and also since then I've trimmed down my thumb nail as there's a big side break on it.

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Right, that's all. I still have a few things to do before Christmas, but at least I don't have to be awake at stupid o'clock in the dark. With any luck the children will be at my ex's tomorrow evening and over night, so I can do my wrapping in peace, etc.

 

[PearlyQueen]

OMG! Glad you're alive! RIP laptop!

Lovely manis, I especially like the CbL which I own, but haven't worn of course.



Well you never know. In that case, Chelsea, can you make every launch a pre-order and include a free polish with every order form now on! Also, no more mysteries please. Thank you.

Thanks. The Tonics are all very stunning. Hope they are nice to wear too, haven't actually tried them yet. I ordered another 5 the other day.



Thank you!

I'll find some swatch pictures of Liquid Love. I received mine on Tuesday along with the other 76 bottles and it's very pretty. People said it looks like Vintage, but I don't think it does, however, I haven't compared them yet.



Thank you! Yes, I did love the Grace-full, it was my first time wearing one, so just as well as I have another 12 untried bottles.



Thank you on all counts!

I have since broken my index finger nail quite low and also have a bad side break on my thumb, have patched that up, but not sure if it will hold. Don't know what's going on!



That's annoying about the customs charge.

I have been charged by DHL on every occasion lately, but this time I did have to put a higher value on the package as I had 76 bottles of polish and also some other bits and bobs. I got charged £23 which isn't actually bad, I'm sure I had stuff in excess of $600 in there!

Will come back with some pictures later.

Thank you! My favourite was definitely the KBShimmer, which is now my favourite polish, and I plan to wear it again soon as the crack in my nail broke through it prematurely.

Chelsea, I second what Anita said...

I have taken a real shine to Tonic's Dragon Tears; do you have that one?

It must be the weather that's killing our nails, mine have been so good for so long, but both thumbs now have repairs to low side cracks, and yours sound even worse.

 

[PearlyQueen]

I've found this link on Liquid Love: Enchanted Polish: Liquid Love vs Vintage – Yvy Vernis

So here's the contents of my massive Stackry package. Annoyingly I'm missing a Diff Dim polish, but I have no way of telling if she forgot to include it in the package or Stackry mislaid/stole it. At least it's not one of the LE polishes, so I can repurchase it when I next order.

By the way, I have a 25% off code with Diff Dim, does anyone want it? It expires on New Year's Eve, but I really can't order anything now until mid-January as my credit card bill is humongous, so I'm happy to pass it on.

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The other bits are mostly freebies except for the 6 BM stamping plates. I also got 3 freebie nail polishes (EP, FM and PFD). I haven't had much time to do anything with them, just unwrapped them and took quick photos. My children are now finished and I've been really busy with cleaning and shopping as well. Never mind.

I also got a couple of CbLs from my friend, Fast Eddie and Humility. She's a bit annoying (hope she doesn't read this) as she's ALWAYS destashing and downsizing, but she's always buying more polishes too and I don't really get it. But on the upside, I got these two for £6 each, so it's good for me, lol.

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I got to go food shopping, but will post my manis later.

Thanks for the EP link, it looks really nice.
What a haul!!! Some stunners there for sure, and loads of extra goodies is always nice! What a shame about your DD, that's the only problem with third party shipping, hard to know who's at fault when there's an issue. At least it's replaceable.
I ordered a couple of DDs on Black Friday, so not planning another order so soon, but thanks for the offer.
I wish I had a nail buddy who'd offload gorgeous goodies on me for cheap!!! Love those two as well...

 

[PearlyQueen]

Right, here are my most recent manis. First one is Nails Inc Exhibition Road with H&M Wintersky, I used vinyls to create the image.

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Next one is Urban Decay Wrecked (2011 untried) with Glam Polish Suspicious Minds and stamping with Color Alike Some Kind of White. Messed it up somewhat. but it was alright.

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My current mani is Urban Decay Gunmetal (another 2011 untried) with Different Dimension Pothos and stamping with YSL White Gold and Color Alike Raindrop. I've broken my index finger nail and also since then I've trimmed down my thumb nail as there's a big side break on it.

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Right, that's all. I still have a few things to do before Christmas, but at least I don't have to be awake at stupid o'clock in the dark. With any luck the children will be at my ex's tomorrow evening and over night, so I can do my wrapping in peace, etc.

Some really pretty manis there, the Nails Inc is such a lovely blue - not one I have, but I wish I did! And I adore the stripes, really cute and Xmassy. I can't tell it's messed up at all.