Next Mac Friends and Family Sale

aradhana

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you'd think mac would schedule their f&f sales regardless of new collections...considering it feels like we hardly have time for our wallets to recover from one collection and they have a new collection being released!
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they should know by now that us addicts will buy regardless, so why not make us feel a little better about it with throwing a little sale into the mix now and then?
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Eleentje

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Last two sales happened around mid-June, didn't they? Since there aren't any collections coming out in June, a F&F sale could be a highlight of this month and a way to bump up the sales of the perm line. Moreover, Smashbox had a F&F sale this year, so fingers crossed Mac will do one as well.

On the other hand, the news about F&F were usually made public around this time, but there is absolutely nothing to be found online about this year's possible sale. Plus what Erin said, Mac is doing well now financially, so I don't have my hopes up high...

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Folie

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Originally Posted by Eleentje
Last two sales happened around mid-June, didn't they? Since there aren't any collections coming out in June, a F&F sale could be a highlight of this month and a way to bump up the sales of the perm line. Moreover, Smashbox had a F&F sale this year, so fingers crossed Mac will do one as well.

On the other hand, the news about F&F were usually made public around this time, but there is absolutely nothing to be found online about this year's possible sale. Plus what Erin said, Mac is doing well now financially, so I don't have my hopes up high...

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Was Mac ever doing poorly this year? I only ask because certain things have been done, or it was assumed/speculated/maybe Mac even said, due to a poor finances. I think this is b.s. On Mac's part. Does anyone have figures to show Mac was at one point doing poorly?
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I like Mac a lot, but I can't help but feel they've been really greedy this year. If there isn't a sale, it will only confirm my feelings.
 

Twinkle_Twinkle

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Originally Posted by Folie
Was Mac ever doing poorly this year? I only ask because certain things have been done, or it was assumed/speculated/maybe Mac even said, due to a poor finances. I think this is b.s. On Mac's part. Does anyone have figures to show Mac was at one point doing poorly?
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I like Mac a lot, but I can't help but feel they've been really greedy this year. If there isn't a sale, it will only confirm my feelings.


Well haven't these F&F's been happening consistently (every year) for the last few years. Why not this year? And I don't think this year was as hard financially as last year was. Remember the Red She Said eye and lip palettes going on sale? My MUA said that her counter (which is traditionally sleepier that others in that area) has been selling out of stuff with a quickness recently. Spring Forecast sold well and obviously To The Beach is selling well. I just feel like this year, things are going faster than they normally have (the Style Black MES, Lillyland Blushes, Blush Ombres, etc.).
 

Rinstar

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I get the feeling there might be one coming in June. There are no collections in June, MAC keeps sending out free shipping emails to entice you to order. I have one right now for free overnight shipping til tonight!!
I feel like they want everyone to order stuff now, and then BAM! F&F sale that we can't skip!

Or at least I wish there will be one LOL. I need a new mascara and I'm running low on MSF Natural.
 

2browneyes

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I was just thinking that it's such a shame that there isn't a F&F sale going on now that they've offered free overnight shipping. smh
 

Folie

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Originally Posted by Twinkle_Twinkle
Well haven't these F&F's been happening consistently (every year) for the last few years. Why not this year? And I don't think this year was as hard financially as last year was. Remember the Red She Said eye and lip palettes going on sale? My MUA said that her counter (which is traditionally sleepier that others in that area) has been selling out of stuff with a quickness recently. Spring Forecast sold well and obviously To The Beach is selling well. I just feel like this year, things are going faster than they normally have (the Style Black MES, Lillyland Blushes, Blush Ombres, etc.).


Yeah, I think this year has been better than last.
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I remember ordering things months after they were released online (I do most of my MAC shopping online). This year, it seems once something's out it's a free for all. The popular colors go like crazy. I remember buying some of the London stuff the day it came out online. Less than a WEEK later, I wanted to buy another of a shadow I liked and it was gone. I think they're trying to act like they're in a fianacial rough spot when they're not. They want us to think this when they did things like make piggies smaller. This is the type of mentality they want if they don't have a sale this year. I love MAC, but I'm not a MAC devotee. There aother brand that are better quality. MAC is a very GREEDY company. I mean, they have too many collections a year to begin with and now they want to act like they're not rolling in dough. Please. The only collections I can think of that didn't do well were the Holiday '09s. I heard a lot of made it to CCOs. One of the two they released after the holidays, either Love lace or Warm & Cozy didn't do well. Honestly, if you exspect things to fall off the shelfs after Xmas, the major American shopping holiday, you're crazy and greedy. So, to be technical, '10 is a lot better than '09...
 

bea_16

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I think it would be dumb for them not to have the sale. Everyone spends a lot during these sales, plus a lot of people make multiple orders. I haven't bought from mac since October but will splurge if the sale happens.
 

Eleentje

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Originally Posted by Folie
Was Mac ever doing poorly this year? I only ask because certain things have been done, or it was assumed/speculated/maybe Mac even said, due to a poor finances. I think this is b.s. On Mac's part. Does anyone have figures to show Mac was at one point doing poorly?
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I like Mac a lot, but I can't help but feel they've been really greedy this year. If there isn't a sale, it will only confirm my feelings.


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Originally Posted by Twinkle_Twinkle
Well haven't these F&F's been happening consistently (every year) for the last few years. Why not this year? And I don't think this year was as hard financially as last year was. Remember the Red She Said eye and lip palettes going on sale? My MUA said that her counter (which is traditionally sleepier that others in that area) has been selling out of stuff with a quickness recently. Spring Forecast sold well and obviously To The Beach is selling well. I just feel like this year, things are going faster than they normally have (the Style Black MES, Lillyland Blushes, Blush Ombres, etc.).

I think you slightly misunderstand the idea behind such sales. Mac doesn't do these sales out of some kind of generosity, they do it for promotional purposes: lower price will attract new customers who may have found mac products too expensive for their budget in the past, while the fans will just splash out even more (this point being proven on the spot, if you see some of the comments above).

We all know that 2009 was harsh for everyone: lots of companies going bust--> people getting laid off-->our spendings decreasing--->companies starting losing money--->more people getting laid off--->even less money to spend on luxury items, such as expensive make up and so the vicious circle continues. I don't know about the US, but sales in European countries were going on for months in 2008/2009 instead of 1-1,5 months max in June and January, because stores were trying to make at least some kind of profit.
This year the financial situation is gradually improving. Companies have cut costs where they could, and apparently Mac is doing really well (quoting Erin on this, and she is an employee). It seems like they've reduced the stock to avoid over-production, and their products are selling like hot cakes. It is thus quite possible that they might decide to have no sale this year and do the promotion via a different channel (magazines, blogs/fashion shows/pre-sales, etc). I still really hope they will, though, and that they're just being really hush-hush about it to surprise us!
 

sailordom

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Originally Posted by Folie
Was Mac ever doing poorly this year? I only ask because certain things have been done, or it was assumed/speculated/maybe Mac even said, due to a poor finances. I think this is b.s. On Mac's part. Does anyone have figures to show Mac was at one point doing poorly?
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I like Mac a lot, but I can't help but feel they've been really greedy this year. If there isn't a sale, it will only confirm my feelings.


Part of the thing to keep in mind is that MAC is a part of the EL, which is a publicly traded company. It doesn't really matter how much money a company is making -- what matters is how much MORE money a company is making from the previous year. It can make for some skewed thinking; a company could be perfectly successful in terms of how much money it's making, but if it's making slightly less as compared to the previous year, it's doom and gloom.
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I don't think it's greed so much as a crazy rat race to beat the previous year.

MAC's numbers aren't available because it's part of Estee Lauder. But EL's financials are available. EL, like all luxury brands, was hit hit hard last fiscal year (theirs ends on June 30). Because of how its fiscal year runs (July 1-June 30), last year was probably particularly bad, because it included the awful 2008 Christmas season as well as the pretty bad spring 2009. According to EL's FY 2009 results, net makeup sales declined from the previous year. Before the fiscal year began, it was projecting that sales would rise.

Research also debunked the existence of the so-called "lipstick index." Women still spent on skincare and foundation, but many -- particularly American women -- cut back on cosmetics and "traded down" to lower-priced brands. And there was evidence that lipstick sales started to tank along with the rest of the economy.

I don't think anyone can say that MAC did well last fiscal year; all the available info would indicate otherwise. In the first quarter of the current fiscal year, makeup again saw declines, but things have picked up since then. EL has raised earnings expectations for this fiscal year since the end of the second quarter (which ended Dec. 31).

But companies don't turn around on a dime, either. I suspect that a lot of the sellouts we've seen in collections this calendar year are just a result of what happens when sales pick up at the same time that supply declines. I think MAC cut back a lot on production -- yes, Marine Life sold out like crazy, but look at how many of it counters and stores actually got. MAC could probably have sold a lot of certain items from SFC, GMLoL, Art Supplies and TTB if there were enough of them.

MAC MAs on Specktra have said that one of the reasons the company had so many F&F sales last calendar year was because they had too much product because things weren't selling. I suspect that glut of unsold product is also why there seems to be less available now; let's face it, MAC would have to be pretty stupid to NOT cut production after that.

I would love to see a F&F sale, but I understand that it probably doesn't make much sense for MAC to have one (from a business perspective). Inventory is definitely low, and MAC doesn't need to "get rid" of a lot of stuff in a hurry. It may not even have enough inventory to support a huge F&F sale -- take a look at how many permanent items are sold out. Plus, an MA at my freestanding store told me there is a production issue with the mineralize foundations, and it won't be restocking them until at least August.
 

Twinkle_Twinkle

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Originally Posted by Eleentje
I think you slightly misunderstand the idea behind such sales. Mac doesn't do these sales out of some kind of generosity, they do it for promotional purposes: lower price will attract new customers who may have found mac products too expensive for their budget in the past, while the fans will just splash out even more (this point being proven on the spot, if you see some of the comments above).

We all know that 2009 was harsh for everyone: lots of companies going bust--> people getting laid off-->our spendings decreasing--->companies starting losing money--->more people getting laid off--->even less money to spend on luxury items, such as expensive make up and so the vicious circle continues. I don't know about the US, but sales in European countries were going on for months in 2008/2009 instead of 1-1,5 months max in June and January, because stores were trying to make at least some kind of profit.

This year the financial situation is gradually improving. Companies have cut costs where they could, and apparently Mac is doing really well (quoting Erin on this, and she is an employee). It seems like they've reduced the stock to avoid over-production, and their products are selling like hot cakes. It is thus quite possible that they might decide to have no sale this year and do the promotion via a different channel (magazines, blogs/fashion shows/pre-sales, etc). I still really hope they will, though, and that they're just being really hush-hush about it to surprise us!


I don't know that I would agree with the bolded. Notice of the F&F sale only goes out via email or snail mail to those in the database and those who receive their emails. In fact, many of us, who are in the database and receive regular MAC email updates, STILL don't get the F&F notification. We just stalk Specktra until the date and code are known. My point being that the cosmetic browser who may have been interested in MAC but hasn't indulged more than likely won't know the first thing about the F&F event. And sure you can get the codes on beauty blogs, but then what kinds of people frequent beauty blogs?

It's not like a GWP event where (in the U.S.) we hear commercials about some wonderful new eye cream at Clinique, Estee, Lancome and how we can also get a goodie bag with a $35 purchase at Dillards. F&F sales, with most brands, aren't generally advertised so I wonder how many, if any new customers any brand is really getting with a F&F sale. I think the rationale behind it might be more of a way to get burnt out makeup junkies to spend money that they ordinarily wouldn't have because stuff is on sale and we sort of/really wanted it anyway, to coax us out of a lull.
 

Eleentje

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Originally Posted by Twinkle_Twinkle
I don't know that I would agree with the bolded. Notice of the F&F sale only goes out via email or snail mail to those in the database and those who receive their emails. In fact, many of us, who are in the database and receive regular MAC email updates, STILL don't get the F&F notification. We just stalk Specktra until the date and code are known. My point being that the cosmetic browser who may have been interested in MAC but hasn't indulged more than likely won't know the first thing about the F&F event. And sure you can get the codes on beauty blogs, but then what kinds of people frequent beauty blogs?

Thanks for pointing that out! I didn't realize that not everyone subscribed to the newsletter received the discount code! I did, and I haven't yet bought anything from their website at that time! I was deliberating myself if I should have included that bit about the new customers, but I think the news like that are not only spread by blogs, but also by word of mouth (and this way the name of the sale can get a somewhat different interpretation). Moreover, someone can read blogs, but still shop for cheaper brands normally. Sale prices would make Mac make-up a bit more accessible for them. You are right though, it is to be expected that most profits would be generated from the orders made by the die-hard addicts.
 

mama2G

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I spoke to a MUA at a free standing store 2 weeks ago and she looked at me like I was crazy when I asked if there will be a sale. I am still holding out hope that it will happen at the end of June
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cbh02b

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I would love a sale! I have never gotten MAC during a sale before...I didn't even know that they had sales! lol Let's all just hope that they do it soon!
 

hickle

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The F&F Sale last year started on 6/18. I think I remember getting the email about it a few days in advance, because I remember people saying the discount code was working about a day earlier than had been advertised. Given that it's 6/15, and we haven't heard a peep about it, I think it's safe to say it's not happening this year. That's a shame. Since I already have a ton of make up, I won't be buying anything except essentials, like mascara and eye make up remover. If they had a sale, I would easily plunk down money (into the triple digits) to buy stuff. I'm actually going to go pick up a tube of drugstore mascara in a few minutes, just to try something different. Of course, this could all be easily avoided if MAC would just announce that they were having a F&F sale.
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Rinstar

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^ Same here. I have a huge list of things I would buy if there was a F&F sale. Lots of perm stuff, Opulash mascara, and a few MORE things from Pret a Papier, Superglass and TTB that I refuse to buy unless there is a sale. Becuase I got so much stuff from those collections I would feel like a disgusting pig if I bought any more for full price LOL.
 

Meimei91

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I think that if MAC doesn't do a F&F sale this year it would be a shame. I can't even understand it from a business perspective either, because like the posters above, I'm sure that there are plenty of people who would buy a lot from MAC if they had a sale, and the quantity of products purchased would no doubt more than make up for whatever percentage decrease the prices would be at, so basically I don't think there's anyway MAC wouldn't make a profit if they did have a sale.
 

Curly1908

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I think that if MAC doesn't do a F&F sale this year it would be a shame. I can't even understand it from a business perspective either, because like the posters above, I'm sure that there are plenty of people who would buy a lot from MAC if they had a sale, and the quantity of products purchased would no doubt more than make up for whatever percentage decrease the prices would be at, so basically I don't think there's anyway MAC wouldn't make a profit if they did have a sale.

I'm sure they'd make a profit even if they had a 50% off sale. MAC's prices have increased dramatically since they've been taken over by Estee Lauder even though the quality has remained almost the same. And MAC doesn't even have the high overhead charges that Chanel, Lancome, etc. do because MAC doesn't "advertise" per se. I'm sure they probably make a nice profit from CCOs, and those prices are discounted. I'm sure they even make a profit from the pro discount.

Years ago, I could purchase authentic MAC for cheap on E-bay. Now half the items are fakes and the other half are REALLY marked up above retail (even perm items). Why? Because MAC has become so en vogue that people will buy it at any price. Not only that but because MAC has such a cult following, many people collect it rather than only purchasing flattering colors that they will regularly wear so MAC sells over and above the usual amount per customer that other companies do. Most people will continue to splurge on collections whether or not MAC has a sale so I doubt it will have an effect on sales. The purpose of sales/GWPs/online discount codes/etc. is to move surplus product and to encourage brand loyalty. Folks are BEYOND loyal to MAC so that only leaves surplus as a motivator. I personally will be buying few MAC items with the exception of staple products (e.g. Blot Powder) and a *few* REALLY unique/super flattering things from the summer collections unless there is a sale.
 

fakedeer

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I need the F&F sale. It's the only time I actually buy MAC
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Unless there's something I really want from collection, I don't buy. I've been saving up for this sale!
 
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