Sunscreen Issues / Problems

[chameleonmary]

Hi all,

This thread really opened my eyes on sunscreen and skin care... I thought my mother was a little nuts when she told me sunscreen might do more harm to your skin than good!

I wanted to know, though... would clear zinc be a good alternative? I am quite fair and burn easily... also, would anyone be able to tell me if sun exposure while you are in a car is dangerous (ie. sun through the window)?

 

[athena123]

^^^ - by clear zinc, do you mean micronized zinc? If that's the case, yes, micronized zinc and titanium are both broad spectrum physical sunblocks that tend to deflect both UVA/UVB rays. There is some debate about whether or not zinc is more effective than titanium - I honestly don't know which is better, but zinc also has a reputation for being very soothing for troubled skin not to mention a great immune booster during the cold and flu season. Paula Begoin [Paula's Choice] indicates that physical blockers can clog pores but I have to disagree with her. I think it's all the other ingredients that go into physical blocks that are more likely to clog pores, but then again she doesn't seem to like anything unless it's a product from her own line....

 

[Kuuipo]

I am using Blue Lizard Austrailian Suncream. My dermatologist friends use it too, and it can be found in drugstores like Long's. (5oz,12.49) It's zic oxide and titanium oxide. (patent protected) It's chemical and fragrance free. hey do make a facial kind with hyraluronic acid as a moisturizer, and that formula is noncomedogenic as well.
There is controversey on micronized vs non-not really sure about nano-particles either, I have read conflicting studies.
There is also conflicting reports on Meroxyl,some studies show it as a potential carcinogen. Not many Meroxyl brands on the market-and Anthelios from the French company is supposedly the best.
The cosmetics Database also lists sunscreens and rates their ingrediants as to potential carciogenicity and tetrogenicity (birth defect producing).

 

[chameleonmary]

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Originally Posted by athena123 ^^^ - by clear zinc, do you mean micronized zinc? If that's the case, yes, micronized zinc and titanium are both broad spectrum physical sunblocks that tend to deflect both UVA/UVB rays. There is some debate about whether or not zinc is more effective than titanium - I honestly don't know which is better, but zinc also has a reputation for being very soothing for troubled skin not to mention a great immune booster during the cold and flu season. Paula Begoin [Paula's Choice] indicates that physical blockers can clog pores but I have to disagree with her. I think it's all the other ingredients that go into physical blocks that are more likely to clog pores, but then again she doesn't seem to like anything unless it's a product from her own line....

I am not sure if it is micronized zinc but I suppose it would be the normal zinc cream you could pick up from a drugstore, but only a colourfree version? The Megan Gale range was the one I had in mind:

Megan Gale Invisible Zinc Anti-Ageing Facial Moisturising Sunscreen SPF 30+ (Tinted) 50g - Compare Prices & Buy Online in Australia - MyShopping.com.au

And i would definately need something non-comedogenic because I tend to get greasy by the end of the day... right now, even the light aerosol sunscreen mist feels greasy on my skin

 

[user79]

I was at a Clarins counter yesterday and found a great product. It's an eye cream that has a 100% mineral physical sunblock spf 30 in it.

Looks like this would be a good eye cream to use during the day. It goes on white at first but once absorbed, the white film disappears. I think I might buy it, but it's pretty expensive for a small bottle. Dang!

Product Page

 

[janwa09]

So does this mean I have to trash my Neutrogena Dry-touch Sunblock now?

 

[Kuuipo]

Are you willing to apply it every couple of hours while in the sun, if yes, use it up!

 

[MsCocoa]

This whole thing is making me think eff sunscreen my daily moisturiser uses titanium dioxide so I guess I'm ok, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth.

 

[janwa09]

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Originally Posted by MsCocoa This whole thing is making me think eff sunscreen my daily moisturiser uses titanium dioxide so I guess I'm ok, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth.

What moisturiser do you use?

 

[MsCocoa]

Origins Have A Nice Day Lotion.

 

[athena123]

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Originally Posted by MsCocoa This whole thing is making me think eff sunscreen my daily moisturiser uses titanium dioxide so I guess I'm ok, but it seems like more hassle than it's worth.

It's worth it - sun damage is one of the primary causes of aging; I wish I would have started using sunscreen when I was young [we used to think it was GOOD for you]

but at least I can prevent environmental aging now.

The best way to prevent yourself from having to constantly reapply sun screen, a true hassle when you wear makeup is to find a mineral based sunscreen.

Good luck,
Athena

 

[V15U4L_3RR0R]

Personally, I wear it to prevent skin cancer and not to prevent aging. We're all going to age whether we like it or not. I'd rather just eat healthy and exercise regularly and see what I get. But that's a whole differnt topic me thinks.

 

[janwa09]

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Originally Posted by V15U4L_3RR0R Personally, I wear it to prevent skin cancer and not to prevent aging. We're all going to age whether we like it or not. I'd rather just eat healthy and exercise regularly and see what I get. But that's a whole differnt topic me thinks.

I agree. Skin cancer prevention should be the #1 concern and priority in terms of incentive to apply sunscreen. But of course, if this delays aging, then all the better!

My sister's BF who is 44 yrs old just got the results of his biopsy from an excised skin from his nose and sadly it's positive for skin cancer. Well this is from 44 years of being exposed to the harsh Australian sun with no sunscreen! I think his condition can still be cured through this procedure I'm not really too familiar with. Thankfully it's not Melanoma.

 

[Kuuipo]

Skin cancer statistics

• Over 380,000 Australians are treated for skin cancer each year [1,2] – that’s over 1,000 people every day.
• Over 1,600 Australians die from skin cancer each year [3].
• Skin cancer costs the health system around $300 million annually, the highest cost of all cancers [4].
• Australia has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world. Skin cancers account for around 80% of all new cancers diagnosed each year in Australia. Each year Australians are four times more likely to develop a common skin cancer than any other form of cancer [1].
• The melanoma incidence rates in Australia and New Zealand are around four times as high as those found in Canada, the United States and the United Kingdom [5].
• In 2005, 245 Victorians died from melanoma [3].
• Relative five-year survival rates for all melanoma are 90% for Australian males and 95% for Australian women. Survival rates have risen significantly since the early eighties as a result of early detection [6].

References

1. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW) & Australasian Association of Cancer Registries (AACR). Cancer in Australia an overview, 2006. Cancer Series Number 37. Canberra: AIHW, 2007.
2. National Cancer Control Initiative. The 2002 national non-melanoma skin cancer survey. A report by the NCCI Non-melanoma Skin Cancer Working Group. Edited by MP Staples Melbourne: NCCI, 2003.
3. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. States & territories GRIM (General Record of Incidence of Mortality) Books. Canberra: AIHW, 2005.
4. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. Health system expenditures on cancer and other neoplasms in Australia, 2000-01. Health and Welfare Expenditure Series Number 22. Canberra: AIHW, 2005.
5. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare (AIHW) & Australasian Association of Cancer Registries (AACR). Cancer in Australia 2001. Cancer Series Number 28. Canberra: AIHW, 2004.
6. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare & Australasian Association of Cancer Registries. Cancer survival in A

 

[Divinity]

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Originally Posted by Lissa Me too. I put mine on in the morning under makeup, and I can't keep putting it on again over the makeup throughout the day. Can anyone suggest any of these advanced sunscreens?

I went to Sephora the other day looking for a better moisturizer and I got talking to this wonderful Lily gal. She asked about my use of a daily sunscreen and when I stared at the floor, she smiled and introduced me to...
Peter Thomas Roth mineral sunscreen spf 30! I love the concept and was skeptical, but she swears by it so I figured 'what the heck'. Well I tried it today and am excited to note progress. I'll probably be able to tell more in the summer, but at least I don't have to go out and buy a frickin' cream to re-apply every 2 hours. Just pop this in my purse to reapply over my make up as needed with no greasy mess and lack of much needed make up for those breakout days.

Active Ingredients: Titanium Dioxide 15%, Zinc Oxide 10%. Inactive Ingredients: Mica, Silica, Zea Mays (Corn) Starch, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C), Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A), Salix Alba (Willow) Bark Extract, Iron Oxides.

 

[athena123]

I've heard great reviews about Peter Thomas Roth mineral sunscreen! Never tried it but I sure did want to, lovely ingredients! I think it was the $$ that stopped me. I was afraid that with a really spendy sunblock, I'd try to "hoard" it and not use enough of it to be effective. I think the correct amount to use on the face is approx. a nickel sized amount over face and neck to offer the fullest protection.

 

[Dreamergirl3]

What about powder suncreens? There are some that come in click pens, that you dust on. I'm sure using one of those would be easier to reapply throughout the day, esp over makeup.
for ex, Colorescience Sunforgettable, and the aforementioned peter thomas roth. the cheapest powder sunblock i found was this one
Zinc Oxide, Titanium Dioxide, All Natural Sunscreen Mineral from Premium Minerals

 

[asprettydoes]

What a great thread!! I've been using MAC Prep & Prime spf 50 for the last 2 weeks & love the way it wears (applied over moisturizer & under foundation). $38/oz _but_ a very small amount smooths on easily over my whole face & I'm using cheaper stuff on my throat. Liquid foundation with a 188 brush on top of this is giving me even, matte, long-lasting coverage for every day. P&Pspf50 has zinc oxide & octinoxate listed as active ingredients but I'll definately be comparing it to the info you've given above to see how it stacks up. Do you have an opinion on this product?

 

[User38]

I always use a powder sunscreen when I am out and walking around -- Peter Thomas Roth is excellent and so are the BE brush on sunscreens.

 

[Austrian_Babe]

Soo I´m looking for a good physical sunscreen that I can purchase in stores, I really don´t want to spend a lot of money and/or order online. Since I´m in Europe I can go to the pharamacy to buy one, I always hear how we supposably have really good sunscreens.

What about this one:

La Roche Posay Anthelios XL 50+ Fluide Extreme:
filters: Mexoryl XL, Mexoryl SX, Parsol 1789, Uvinul N 539, Uvinul T 150, Tinosorb S, titanium oxide

Since titanium oxide is the last in the list, that means it is the ingredient with the least amount, right? I don´t know what Uvinul and Tinosorb is though. And the UVA protection is 28 PPD.


Or this one:
Avene mineral sunscreen SPF 50. Not a lot of general info on the Avene website, other than "contains no chemical filters"

Ingredients:AVENE AQUA. CYCLOMETHICONE. TITANIUM DIOXIDE. GLYCERIN. C12-15 ALKYL BENZOATE. ISODODECANE. POLYDECENE. ZINC OXIDE. C30-45 ALKYL METHICONE. PEG-45 DODECYL GLYCOL COPOLYMER. SODIUM CHLORIDE. PEG/PPG-18/18 DIMETHICONE. PEG-30 DIPOLYHYDROXYSTEARATE. BUTYLPARABEN. CAPRYLIC/CAPRIC TRIGLYCERIDE. DISODIUM EDTA. ETHYLPARABEN. CI 77492. CI 77491. ISOBUTYLPARABEN. METHYLPARABEN. OCTYLDODECANOL. o-CYMEN-5-OL. PHENOXYETHANOL. PROPYLPARABEN. SODIUM MYRISTOYL GLUTAMATE. TOCOPHERYL GLUCOSIDE. TRIETHOXYCAPRYLYLSILANE. TRIMETHOXYCAPRYLYLSILANE. XANTHAN GUM.