The "Meredith" Decision in the Supreme Court

[Tash]

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Originally Posted by lipstickandhate Schooling doesn't matter when children come from broken homes. A teacher and a new McGraw Hill textbook cannot make up for the other 20 hours of the day the kid is subjected to drug use, bad parenting, gang activity, and pandering social dialogue.

I actually disagree to a point with this. Yes, where you're raised makes a BIG difference, but there are A LOT of kids out there that do wonderful things and come from shitty childhoods, me being an example. This is why amazing teachers are so important for children. You can only blame their childhood for so much.

 

[lipstickandhate]

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Originally Posted by Tash I actually disagree to a point with this. Yes, where you're raised makes a BIG difference, but there are A LOT of kids out there that do wonderful things and come from shitty childhoods, me being an example. This is why amazing teachers are so important for children. You can only blame their childhood for so much.

You're right, the rest you can blame on genetics and free will. Crayons and gold stickers can only do so much, no matter what Freedom Writers will have you believe.

 

[Tash]

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Originally Posted by lipstickandhate You're right, the rest you can blame on genetics and free will. Crayons and gold stickers can only do so much, no matter what Freedom Writers will have you believe.

I think you give too much credit to a person's homelife. If people want to make something out of themselves, they will regardless of where they come from. Just because they had a bad homelife doesn't mean we shouldn't help them out.

 

[lipstickandhate]

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Originally Posted by Tash I think you give too much credit to a person's homelife. If people want to make something out of themselves, they will regardless of where they come from. Just because they had a bad homelife doesn't mean we shouldn't help them out.

Of course not. Plenty of people from difficult backgrounds do wonderful things. My point was that poorly-funded school systems are not the only reason or even the main reason we have so many screwed up children. Pumping money into schools will not compensate for the problems at home or for the poor choices a kid makes.

 

[Tash]

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Originally Posted by lipstickandhate Of course not. Plenty of people from difficult backgrounds do wonderful things. My point was that poorly-funded school systems are not the only reason or even the main reason we have so many screwed up children. Pumping money into schools will not compensate for the problems at home or for the poor choices a kid makes.

So we just shouldn't do anything for them? Just accept things as is? That's the reason why the schools are so bad to begin with. People just say "That's how it is and how it's always been so oh well."

And if that's not what you were saying, then I'm sorry, but that's how the comment came across to me.

 

[Beauty Mark]

I don't think that those children are lost causes or that we should give up on them, but I think a lot of parents don't examine what they're doing or not doing when it comes to their children.

It's a difficult problem, but I think parents should be held more accountable. The way that translates into the school's lacking funding is they won't have to invest so much money in safety, like metal detectors and extra hall monitors.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Tash Instead of shipping white kids to bad schools and african american kids to good schools, wouldn't it make more sense to use the money they're spending on all that gas to help raise the education in the bad schools? Why not try to make ALL schools good schools instead of widening the gap between the two even more.

Same thoughts i had on the subject. The law is addressing the symptom, not the actual problem. The problem is not all schools are equal. Not that you need to have diversity on campus.

People are just going to self segregate on campus anyways. It's just how it is. Self segregation isn't bad imho. If people want to mix, they can, if they don't, they don't.

I think people integrate better when they aren't constantly reminded they need too. At least thats how it's been for my friends. I think if people told us we needed to be more diverse in who we hang out with, we'd work towards being as seperate as possible. Wheras if you just let nature take it's course, people integrate based on common interests.

All this law is doing is breeding resentment in another younger generation. You have white kids going, "why are they forcing me to go to the poor school (this is a problem, both schools need to be good) in the black neighborhood, when all my friends are here." And you have the black kids going, "why are the good schools only in the white neighborhoods." The less people think about race, the less important it is in their life imho. But if the adults around you are constantly making it an issue, you grow up with race being an important part of your life.

 

[frocher]

While I believe every child deserves a good education, it is not this simple. School districts are funded by tax base in an area. Levies must be passed and the residents in these areas are taxed accordingly. I think it will be difficult to convince the more affluent neighborhoods to give up some of their tax dollars. Sad but true.