Tulalip, WA CCO (Seattle Premium Outlets)

akcmommy

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Has anyone else had a bad experience there?

While I was shopping there yesterday with my 8 & 11 year old daughters, I was harassed by the sales staff. I hadn't been in the store more than 3 minutes, when a young gal asked me if she could help me find anything. I told her that I was fine, just browsing. 3 minutes later, while I am looking at eye shadows, the same lady asked me if she could help me find a shade. I again told her that I was fine. 90 seconds later, I had 2 eye shadows in my hand and she asked me if I minded her looking at them to see if they were broken or used. I looked at her deadpan and said, "Can you give me a minute?" At this point I was a bit snarky. And 90 seconds later, JAN (an older lady) came up to me and asked if she could look at the 2 shadows I had in my hand to determine if they were used or broken. Again, I looked at her deadpan and snarkily said, "Geez, can you give me a minute to look thru your store?"

She said that it is Estee Lauder policy for them to do this. I said no it is not. She said yes it is...at this store anyway. I said, "Can't you just look at it when I am finished selecting the items that I want to purchase and of it at the counter when I am ready to buy?" She said no, if we did that, there would be a line out the door. I handed the 2 effing eye shadows to her and said, do what you gotta do. At this point, she said, we don't have to service people with attitudes and I think that you have an attitude. I told her to do what you have to do. At this point, she handed the eye shadows to a person at the register and told her, "Do not assist this customer." I looked at JAN and asked her, "So, you will not sell me these eye shadows?" She said no. I looked at her name tag and said, ok JAN, I will be sure to call Estee Lauder and complain about you. She snarkily asked me if I would like the number. I told her that I had it and walked out of the store.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN TREATED SO BAD IN ALL OF MY LIFE.

Anyone else have a bad experience there? Or from JAN? I have emailed customer service and will be calling on Monday when their customer care opens. I am also going to track down the manager of that particular store to lodge a complaint.

After thinking about it for a minute, even if it is their policy to check your items, why wouldn't they wait until I had finished selecting the items that I was planning on purchasing? Isn't it a duplication of efforts to check each item as I pick it up?
 

akcmommy

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I called the store and asked for the manager's name. The woman who answered the phone (I think it was JAN) refused. She said that for security, they don't have to give out that info. I asked her how it can be a breach of security if they wear name tags???

She hung up on me.
 

Half N Half

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I've never had THAT bad of an experience at this store, but the first time I ever went in there the girl there was pretty much up my ass the whole time and watching me like a hawk. After every two items I picked up she would ask me if she can keep them up at the register for me until I'm ready to pay. It was a little annoying and I definitely didn't feel like she was doing it just to be helpful. After that first time I really haven't had any problems. I get the same girl evertime I go in there, so maybe by now she knows my face and knows that I will buy a good amount of stuff.

That being said, I find it very unlikely that it's their policy to check for broken merchandise WHILE a customer is trying to shop. That's probably something they should be doing when the items arrive at the store. I don't know if it's just the people who work there, but I have never found them to be over the top friendly at all. They're usually just "there". I'm used to friendlier customer service than that, but then again unless someone is outright rude I could care less because I'm there to get my stuff and get out of there.

The fact that you asked for the manager's name and they hung up on you is insane!! I'm a pretty calm person, but I have a temper and that is the type of shit that sets me off. I would probably drive my ass all the way back up there and start yelling at bitches until I get some anwers! But that's just me...lol. Anyway, good luck with all that. You should keep us updated.
 

akcmommy

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After that, I called another CCO. The manager IS Jan. I have an email into corporate, will be calling the customer care number on Monday when they open AND I will be writing a letter.

If this store is so concerned with theft, then keep everything behind the counter. Don't harass your customers. They will soon STOP being your customers.
 

Half N Half

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You're right, they should just keep everything behind the counter if that will keep them from having to bug people and have it lead to these types of situations. I also find that the manager sets the tone for the whole store. If this Jan lady was ok with giving you an attitude and refusing you service then I'm sure the other employees are not discouraged to act in this same manner.
 

VintageAqua

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Wow, that's so disappointing to hear. I was just at the Vegas CCO a few weeks ago and they were nothing but helpful. They did come by once I was in the store to ask if they could pull any items for me but only one time and when I got to the counter, she knew exactly what they were despite helping other customers...very impressive. Clearly, Tulalip is not "following policy".

Please keep us updated on this situation and I'll be sure to avoid Jan in the future.
 

ElleK7

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Originally Posted by akcmommy

She said that it is Estee Lauder policy for them to do this. I said no it is not. She said yes it is...at this store anyway. I said, "Can't you just look at it when I am finished selecting the items that I want to purchase and of it at the counter when I am ready to buy?" She said no, if we did that, there would be a line out the door. I handed the 2 effing eye shadows to her and said, do what you gotta do. At this point, she said, we don't have to service people with attitudes and I think that you have an attitude. I told her to do what you have to do. At this point, she handed the eye shadows to a person at the register and told her, "Do not assist this customer." I looked at JAN and asked her, "So, you will not sell me these eye shadows?" She said no. I looked at her name tag and said, ok JAN, I will be sure to call Estee Lauder and complain about you. She snarkily asked me if I would like the number. I told her that I had it and walked out of the store.

I HAVE NEVER BEEN TREATED SO BAD IN ALL OF MY LIFE.

Anyone else have a bad experience there? Or from JAN? I have emailed customer service and will be calling on Monday when their customer care opens. I am also going to track down the manager of that particular store to lodge a complaint.



Wow, I'd be so upset! I go to the CCO in IL and they're just kind of "there" and watch you. I'm happy you're raising hell with them, cause that is horrible to treat customers like that! That makes CCOs look bad/bad buisness for them! I hope they fire her ass, thats not right at all!
 

coachkitten

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Yes Jan is the manager of that store. I have never been treated like that at the CCO in Tulalip and I am sorry that happened to you.

They always check my items once I get to the counter to make sure that they are not used or damaged but I have never had them do that while shopping and I have shopped there a lot.

That is really disappointing to hear because Jan has been nothing but nice to me and my friends that have shopped there. I am sorry that you were treated that way. I am glad to hear that you are going to complain about the service. Customers should never be treated that way especially since you did nothing wrong.
 

akcmommy

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I emailed ELC. This is their response. While the offer of something free is really nice, I'd rather have Jan demoted.

Thank you for taking the time to contact us and for your interest in Estée Lauder.

Your impression of the discourteous attitude displayed by our representative is of concern. While it is not possible to provide the same shopping experience at our cosmetics company store that one finds at our retail counters, we nevertheless expect all our employees to display the high service standards which we have established. The vast majority of our personnel are genuinely interested in meeting these standards, and your remarks will assist us in making the necessary improvements. We apologize for not having served you better.

As a gesture of apology, we are forwarding, under separate cover, a few travel size products for you to enjoy.

We trust that the above addresses your concern. We hope you will look to Estée Lauder for all your beauty and fragrance needs.
 

coachkitten

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Free stuff is nice but I hope that Estee Lauder will address the bigger issue with this employee. Glad to hear that they responded to you.
 

gabi03

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Originally Posted by Half N Half
I've never had THAT bad of an experience at this store, but the first time I ever went in there the girl there was pretty much up my ass the whole time and watching me like a hawk. After every two items I picked up she would ask me if she can keep them up at the register for me until I'm ready to pay. It was a little annoying and I definitely didn't feel like she was doing it just to be helpful. After that first time I really haven't had any problems. I get the same girl evertime I go in there, so maybe by now she knows my face and knows that I will buy a good amount of stuff.

That being said, I find it very unlikely that it's their policy to check for broken merchandise WHILE a customer is trying to shop. That's probably something they should be doing when the items arrive at the store. I don't know if it's just the people who work there, but I have never found them to be over the top friendly at all. They're usually just "there". I'm used to friendlier customer service than that, but then again unless someone is outright rude I could care less because I'm there to get my stuff and get out of there.

The fact that you asked for the manager's name and they hung up on you is insane!! I'm a pretty calm person, but I have a temper and that is the type of shit that sets me off. I would probably drive my ass all the way back up there and start yelling at bitches until I get some anwers! But that's just me...lol. Anyway, good luck with all that. You should keep us updated.


you aren't alone, i'd do the same thing and it wouldn't be pretty. But Jan is pretty annoying, she just stares and asks like 10 times if you need help. No i don't need help i want you to go away now, you have no customers if i need you i know where to find you. Not to mention another worker there, who shall remain nameless, is equally as annoying. I just hate when they "clean" items around you but are just watching you. Maybe its just me but i hate the feeling of being watched like i'm going to steal something, sephora treats me the same way.
 

Half N Half

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Well it sounds like I'm gonna have to watch out for this Jan lady. And we better all make sure we're on our best behavior and don't get an attitude or we might be walking out of the CCO empty-handed.

I wish a bitch WOULD try to tell me they're not selling me my MAC!!! It would be a waaaaar! HAHA
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AmberElizabeth

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If they ever treated me like that they'd be in for a big surprise. I don't put up with that crap... One girl was watching me like a hawk once I had about 6 items in my hand and kept asking me if I needed help. I finally told her I was doing fine on my own and that if I needed help I would ask for it. She left me alone the rest of the time and let me shop in peace, and hasn't said a word to me since except for hello and have a great day. Jan was only a problem for me once- until she found out I was a Tulalip Tribe member. She's nothing but sugar sweet to me now.

Let's just say the tribe has a strangle-hold on everything at the Seattle Premium Outlet mall.
 

jenizzle

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Hi All!

This may be slightly OT, sorry if its in the wrong place! I'm visiting Seattle in Sept. and I'm wondering what the best way is to get this place from Downtown would be, public transport wise? Or would I be better off just renting a car for a day and going? I've never been to a CCO before, I'm quite excited!
 

Half N Half

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Originally Posted by jenizzle
Hi All!

This may be slightly OT, sorry if its in the wrong place! I'm visiting Seattle in Sept. and I'm wondering what the best way is to get this place from Downtown would be, public transport wise? Or would I be better off just renting a car for a day and going? I've never been to a CCO before, I'm quite excited!



I would definitely say rent a car. It's super easy to get there from Seattle. It's already quite the drive, so taking the bus would probably take forever.
 

jenizzle

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Originally Posted by Half N Half
I would definitely say rent a car. It's super easy to get there from Seattle. It's already quite the drive, so taking the bus would probably take forever.

I've seen it on the map, and it looks handy alright. My only concern is that I'm from Ireland, and we drive on the opposite side of the road! I don't really wanna end up driving on the other side of the motorway
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freyja313

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I find it odd that in this economy any store would refuse to sell something to a customer! The outlet mall must be doing very well and not feeling the effects... Sorry you were treated so crappy.

I have a vague recollection that I had a run-in with Jan a few years ago. I think it was when I first started going there and I was deep in the throes of "mustbuyeverythingitis". I was going up there almost weekly and dropping $150-200 a trip. I had heard they had some pigments I was really interested in and called to see if they could put them on hold for me. Gal puts me on hold and next thing I know Jan is on the phone and said we don't that and why do you want so many blah blah blah. Well, I scurried up there anyway because I didn't want to miss out on them and magically, when I went to buy them the salesgirl disappears and there's Jan, all questioning me "Are you the one who called earlier?" and generally being suspicious that I'm buying them to resell since I'm getting multiples of some of them. I told her no, they're just hard to find and I want backups of them. Eventually let me purchase but it was not a pleasant experience.

Funny thing is I was in there a few months later with my friend who at the time worked at the freestanding MAC store in UVillage. Jan was falling all over herself kissing my friend's ass. "Here's my business card. Just call us if you're ever looking for anything and we can put it on hold for you!" They've offered to do this for me a couple of times since when I've inquired about certain products so I don't know if they've changed their call/hold policy or what.

I haven't been up there in months but when I go I just try to be super friendly to all the girls in there and I don't have any problems.
 

freyja313

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Originally Posted by jenizzle
I've seen it on the map, and it looks handy alright. My only concern is that I'm from Ireland, and we drive on the opposite side of the road! I don't really wanna end up driving on the other side of the motorway
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Well, since I-5 is a divided, multiple-lane freeway most of the way up there, if you're on the wrong side of the road you're in BIG trouble!
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AmberElizabeth

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The outlet mall is definately not suffering. It's always packed and the lines are long at the most popular stores. You can go there any day of the week and be hard pressed to find a close parking spot and not wait in a lengthy line!

I was at the CCO on Saturday and it was fairly busy. I got a couple brushes, 2 shadows and a pigment. Other than that, there wasn't much new from the last time I was there. I didn't see Jan when I was there, and the 2 girls working were nice.
 
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