update images discussion

[thegirlgotsoul]

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Originally Posted by Turbokittykat You seem to think that this makes it all right though. That the excuse "it just happens" and "it's only the Internet" make up for it. I don't agree, I'm afraid. I don't think it's all right.

I never said I thought it was allright. I just know it happens, and I know better than to post things online that I don't want to end up in other places.

And on the same note, it's obvious that MAC doesn't want people posting info about collections early, such as photos from their books and such, or MAC themselves would be posting them on their website. So in essence, people who are posting these as "favors" for us online people are leaking information from MAC. I don't know if MAC employees have to sign confidentiality agreements or not, but if you could get fired for posting this stuff, then how is that "right"? That is wronging the company we all claim to "love" so much. I personally think the people who are so upset about not being able to see stuff early, are the selfish ones. Eventually, all the products will be available in stores and online and such, and I for one, won't die if I have to wait.

It's really quite simple. You take information that at the moment is private for only company employees and then turn around and post it in a public place. You get caught and fired. Doesn't seem that complicated or unfair to me. People need to take responsibility for their actions and not blame others for consequences they themselves could have avoided.

I just think it's hipocritical to say that people who repost the images and stuff are the "wrong" ones and the "selfish" ones, when really people who are leaking info from the company are just as guilty.

 

[Turbokittykat]

I'm not commenting about "people" who leak information though. I'm commenting specifically on the case of Risa's photos and as I've already pointed out that she has said she asked permission to post them and it was granted. However, given the nature of the photos and how it could be wrongly interpreted as leaking information, I can see why she would ask people not to repost them round the 'net. I think that's a reasonable request and I think it's unreasonable of people not to abide by it.

Besides, whatever the rights and wrongs of posting photos before the release, stealing them is also wrong and two wrongs do not make a right.

 

[panties]

i think it's pretty immature that people use the justification "it's just the internet" in order to give a lame excuse that you can't take responsibility for your actions.

it's sad that people have to blame risa, when she's not the problem. she showed people those swatches so we could get a sneak peek of what's to come, and here come a few people who spread it all over the place who can possibly get her fired for it. just admit that you took those pictures, and you're just using a copout excuse.

 

[thegirlgotsoul]

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Originally Posted by panties it's sad that people have to blame risa, when she's not the problem. she just admit that you took those pictures, and you're just using a copout excuse.

Wow.

Are you talking specifically to me? Because you really shouldn't join a discussion and throw around insults and accusations when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[panties]

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Originally Posted by thegirlgotsoul Quote: Originally Posted by panties it's sad that people have to blame risa, when she's not the problem. she just admit that you took those pictures, and you're just using a copout excuse. Wow. Are you talking specifically to me? Because you really shouldn't join a discussion and throw around insults and accusations when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

actually i do know what i'm talking about. yes, i'm speaking to you...i have all the right to get in this discussion because i am a part of specktra and i'm not throwing insults, i'm just calling it out how it is...i guess some people can't take the heat.

 

[leppy]

Well I'm not a mod, but I'm guessing soon enough they'll tell you two to take it to pms. This thread is being totally hijacked!

 

[Turbokittykat]

Actually thegirlgotsoul, I have to agree. You have blamed Risa for this. You've specifically said this is her fault for posting the photos and if she didn't want them to be shared she shouldn't have posted them. No mention of any responsibility being apportioned to the people who actually stole the photos and posted them without permission. That's "just the Internet" apparently.

I'd like to reiterate that I am not intending this as a personal attack on you. I'm just expressing disagreement with your opinions.

 

[thegirlgotsoul]

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Originally Posted by Turbokittykat I'm not commenting about "people" who leak information though. I'm commenting specifically on the case of Risa's photos and as I've already pointed out that she has said she asked permission to post them and it was granted. However, given the nature of the photos and how it could be wrongly interpreted as leaking information, I can see why she would ask people not to repost them round the 'net. I think that's a reasonable request and I think it's unreasonable of people not to abide by it. Besides, whatever the rights and wrongs of posting photos before the release, stealing them is also wrong and two wrongs do not make a right.

You didn't have to be commenting specifically about the people who leak the photos. I was stating my opinion on the subject, as I thought it was important to look at both sides of this issue, and by no means do I expect you to agree with it. It was simply *my* opinion and I felt like I have the right to express it.

And I am not going to sit here all night long and debate the rights and wrongs of how the internet is and the things people do on it. I was in no way condoning the people who reposted the photos in other places, but merely stating a fact. Whether you, or me or anyone else likes it, it happens. It happens online, it happens offline. Stating that it happens is not me personally saying it is right or agreeing with it. It's me stating a fact.

Those photos she took and posted were not copyrighted. They were not artwork, they were not something she thought up and created. They probably don't really even belong to her, per se. That information probably belongs to MAC. I'm not sure how those books work, if they are property of MAC or not, but whatever. People are acting as if her personal, private work was ripped off and strewn about the internet.

Honestly, I think most of the people complaining about this are the selfish ones. How many people do you *really* think give a crap about someone they don't know other than online getting fired for posting stuff for them early? Slim to none. Most people are just mad because they think they won't get "sneak peeks" anymore and that is just sad. I'm guessing that most people are only angry about this because it means they aren't going to get what they want anymore.

Ugh. Someone call the waaaaaaaaaaaaambulance.

 

[Turbokittykat]

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Originally Posted by leppy Well I'm not a mod, but I'm guessing soon enough they'll tell you two to take it to pms. This thread is being totally hijacked!

Sorry leppy, it just upsets me to see Risa being made out to be public enemy number one and being accused of creating drama when she was the one who did nothing wrong.

 

[thegirlgotsoul]

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Originally Posted by panties actually i do know what i'm talking about. yes, i'm speaking to you...i have all the right to get in this discussion because i am a part of specktra and i'm not throwing insults, i'm just calling it out how it is...i guess some people can't take the heat.

Obviously not, as I did not steal her photos and hotlink them to other places. I uploaded the photo to my own server when I saw that it was a broken link in the original thread, without knowing all the drama that was being associated with it. Once I found out, I immediately took the photo down until I was sure it was OK to post.

But your just trolling around looking to accuse and insult people, obviously. Grow up.

 

[panties]

i've known risa for a while now, so i do care about her job and the such. and i know risa does the swatches herself. it's just immature people who ruin it for others...

alas.

 

[Turbokittykat]

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Originally Posted by thegirlgotsoul I was in no way condoning the people who reposted the photos in other places, but merely stating a fact. Whether you, or me or anyone else likes it, it happens. It happens online, it happens offline. Stating that it happens is not me personally saying it is right or agreeing with it. It's me stating a fact.

LOL! I love the way you are talking about "the people who do this" as if you are not one of them! It's just the Internet, it happens, nothing to do with you, right? LOL

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Originally Posted by thegirlgotsoul Most people are just mad because they think they won't get "sneak peeks" anymore and that is just sad. I'm guessing that most people are only angry about this because it means they aren't going to get what they want anymore.

Actually I am mad about this because I care about Risa's feelings. I suspect I am not the only one. But it's just the Internet, so we can forget that there are actual people who can be hurt by things that "just happen".

 

[thegirlgotsoul]

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Originally Posted by Turbokittykat Actually thegirlgotsoul, I have to agree. You have blamed Risa for this. You've specifically said this is her fault for posting the photos and if she didn't want them to be shared she shouldn't have posted them.

No we are whipping out the bold text, I see.

Apparently, you didn't bother to read my post back on page one, where I specifically said that I was not talking about SonRisa or speaking towards her, as she is not a part of this discussion. So before you accuse me of blatanly blaming someone, please read more carefully.

And please do not put words in my mouth such as me "specifically blaming SonRisa" and saying that this is "her fault".

I do not appreciate being slandered when I made it very clear that my opinions and thoughts were not about SonRisa specifically, but just general thoughts and opinions.

 

[thegirlgotsoul]

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Originally Posted by Turbokittykat Quote: Originally Posted by thegirlgotsoul I was in no way condoning the people who reposted the photos in other places, but merely stating a fact. Whether you, or me or anyone else likes it, it happens. It happens online, it happens offline. Stating that it happens is not me personally saying it is right or agreeing with it. It's me stating a fact. LOL! I love the way you are talking about "the people who do this" as if you are not one of them! It's just the Internet, it happens, nothing to do with you, right? LOL

So wait...are you insinuating that you know me personally, and you know that I steal other people's photos and place them in other places online when I've been asked not to? Really? I had no idea that you knew me that well...

So no, I am not "one of the people who do this". As I said before, if you are referring to my reposting of her photo here on Specktra, you can read my above comment to that other person about that.

 

[melozburngr]

dude ladies... chill! :-\ *HIDES*

 

[Turbokittykat]

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Originally Posted by thegirlgotsoul Apparently, you didn't bother to read my post back on page one, where I specifically said that I was not talking about SonRisa or speaking towards her, as she is not a part of this discussion. So before you accuse me of blatanly blaming someone, please read more carefully.

I've read everything you've said on the subject. It's SonRisa's photos you posted, and which we're talking about so it's a bit silly to try and claim this is nothing to do with her.

Paraphrasing, you said if somebody does not want something spread round the internet, they should not post it. That seems to imply that you view it as the fault of the person who posted if it is spread round the internet, rather than the people who actually spread it.

 

[thegirlgotsoul]

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Originally Posted by Turbokittykat Actually I am mad about this because I care about Risa's feelings. I suspect I am not the only one. But it's just the Internet, so we can forget that there are actual people who can be hurt by things that "just happen".

See, this is what ticks me off.

YOU are taking what I say out of context and putting words into my mouth. I did not say that EVERYONE does not care about what happens to SonRisa. I said "I am GUESSING that MOST people do not care", where in that did I say you and where in that did I say that no one could be hurt by things that happen online. NOWHERE.

Please stop taking what I say personally and trying to twist what I say. It's really not cool and until the last few accusatory and insulting posts, I thought you and I were having a clean, good discussion and debate. But now I feel like I'm being slandered and dragged through the dirt for having the obviously "unpopular" opinion.

 

[Turbokittykat]

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Originally Posted by thegirlgotsoul So no, I am not "one of the people who do this". As I said before, if you are referring to my reposting of her photo here on Specktra, you can read my above comment to that other person about that.

Ah yes, because you didn't know they were someone else's images you were posting when you posted them. Maybe you thought you accidentally took them yourself? Maybe while you slept?

 

[FacesbyNiki]

Ok, I'm not going to read all of this but I do find it that some of you are ungreatful for what Son_Risa is doing. If you don't think it's a big deal and she shouldn't be posting it. Don't get mad when nobody answer your hundredth question on when the next collection is coming.

Just my opinion..

 

[thegirlgotsoul]

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Originally Posted by Turbokittykat Quote: Originally Posted by thegirlgotsoul Apparently, you didn't bother to read my post back on page one, where I specifically said that I was not talking about SonRisa or speaking towards her, as she is not a part of this discussion. So before you accuse me of blatanly blaming someone, please read more carefully. It's SonRisa's photos you posted, and which we're talking about so it's a bit silly to try and claim this is nothing to do with her.

To be clear, it is ONE photo that I posted, which I did NOT hotlink to, and that I posted ONLY ON SPECKTRA, without knowing that there was all kinds of drama associated with it. Then I TOOK IT DOWN after I was made aware and only put it back a few hours ago after being told by many people that it was OK to repost.

So please do not make it sound like I stole many of her photos and hotlinked them all over other forums and places and am trying to hide that fact. Because I did no such thing.