Why R We Always Left Out?!
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L281173
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Another great line to check out is http://www.hipsandcurves.com
Originally Posted by ceelovejay
I second the fig leaves rec for bras. I'm a 38DDD right now, but when I was having children, I went as high up as a 40FF. Figleaves was a godsend. Also, Wacoal is a great brand for all sizes but they also sell pretty bras in bigger sizes. They're pricey but I love my Wacoals. lol |
Another great line to check out is http://www.hipsandcurves.com
L281173
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Another great line is http://www.brownskinbeauty.com
bzgal
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This is the funniest discussion ever!!! I'm between NC44 and NC45. I'm kind of yellow but not quiet. Whenever I'm matched with makeup it's either too yellow or it turns red once my oils come out. However, I must say that Bobbi Brown does very well and other times I have to get matched at Prescriptives. Sometimes I forget but they will do the custom matching thing for you.
Now as for the bra thing, some of you ladies have an easy fix. (I fall out of the 32G) For the 32Cs and the 32DD I must say go to Nordies. They have Freya, Fantasie, Chantelle, Wacoal, DKNY, Felina, Elle McPherson and in your size. There's a 38DDD out there and there's also Chantelle, Wacoal, Fantasie, Goddess and Le Mystere. Bras is something I know....not only did I work at Nordies but I was the "busty specialist". You can also take a look at the Fantasie website.
http://fantasie.com
Now as for the bra thing, some of you ladies have an easy fix. (I fall out of the 32G) For the 32Cs and the 32DD I must say go to Nordies. They have Freya, Fantasie, Chantelle, Wacoal, DKNY, Felina, Elle McPherson and in your size. There's a 38DDD out there and there's also Chantelle, Wacoal, Fantasie, Goddess and Le Mystere. Bras is something I know....not only did I work at Nordies but I was the "busty specialist". You can also take a look at the Fantasie website.
http://fantasie.com
Indigowaters
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This can’t be it because remember, though African-Americans are considered a minority group, we are a majority in the buying market. I don’t know about other ethnic people, but we spend billions of dollars on products and help to keep the economy going. I just think there are fewer people who have the same concerns that we do when it comes to making their products sometimes.
| Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
I wonder if it has to do with a money/power thing. These are generalities, because I know there are exceptions, but I wonder if the more mainstream brands in the US tend to make cosmetics that don't suit darker skins because most of the money is concentrated among a paler (read: white) group. The people with more money are more likely to buy extravagances, so makeup companies cater to them. |
This can’t be it because remember, though African-Americans are considered a minority group, we are a majority in the buying market. I don’t know about other ethnic people, but we spend billions of dollars on products and help to keep the economy going. I just think there are fewer people who have the same concerns that we do when it comes to making their products sometimes.
Me220
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I have to rave about MilanMinerals. I just ordered a sample, and the foundation is PERFECT. I'm going to post pictures/swatches tomorrow sometime. Candace, the owner, is beyond amazing to work with. You can also email her a picture of yourself, and she'll help you pick foundation samples based on it. The eyeshadow/mineral pigment colors are almost as vivid as MAC, if not more and they are made for darker skin tones. I can't say enough positive things about both the line and the owner, and I want you all to check it out. MilanMinerals is the truth!
lia_matos
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On alima website *it's a mineral makeup brand*, they have all sorts of colors , even a light olive like you. And i'm like you - i'm brazilian and have no idea which is my undertone, since here we're mixed with several ethnicities - i'm relatively light-skinned (beige , NC25-35 color i think) and my younger sister has the same color as Beyonce (and the big booty too
she's beautiful). I imagine that Alima might be a good brand for those with "difficult" skin tones. There's also Monave (www.monave.com), and MilanMinerals , as stated before.
| Originally Posted by quandolak
Ok so im kinda the opposite...as a latina with various other ethnicities in me i always get fobbed off with yellow...im not yellow...im olive...and im the lightest olive ever... i used to be the darkest tan before but now im like a sheet of paper...but with a tad olive and i cant find a shade light enough for me that isnt pink...macs shades are all too dark..and every single makeup brand looks fierce orange ,yellow, pink on me....its evil lol.. I want nice makeup for a change...and i want it now lol.... |
On alima website *it's a mineral makeup brand*, they have all sorts of colors , even a light olive like you. And i'm like you - i'm brazilian and have no idea which is my undertone, since here we're mixed with several ethnicities - i'm relatively light-skinned (beige , NC25-35 color i think) and my younger sister has the same color as Beyonce (and the big booty too
aziza
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Seriously!!! It matches perfectly?!! That is so encouraging...I've been holding off on ordering because I've spent too much just on foundation in the last two months or so. Maybe I'll order some samples.
| Originally Posted by Me220
I have to rave about MilanMinerals. I just ordered a sample, and the foundation is PERFECT. I'm going to post pictures/swatches tomorrow sometime. Candace, the owner, is beyond amazing to work with. You can also email her a picture of yourself, and she'll help you pick foundation samples based on it. The eyeshadow/mineral pigment colors are almost as vivid as MAC, if not more and they are made for darker skin tones. I can't say enough positive things about both the line and the owner, and I want you all to check it out. MilanMinerals is the truth! |
Seriously!!! It matches perfectly?!! That is so encouraging...I've been holding off on ordering because I've spent too much just on foundation in the last two months or so. Maybe I'll order some samples.
slvrlips
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wow this thread is awesome. For me a lady of color that doesn't wear foundation often this gave me some direction as to where I need to look for foundation on those days when I want to be all dolled up. So thanks ladies for the great references and advise but what happened to Fashion Fair have women of color moved away from this product? They have been around forever maybe I missed it but I didn't see it mentioned in this thread.
mekaboo
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I think the problem with Fashion Fair for a lot of us darker ladies is that it is too orange or red to even begin to look natural on us. They really need to revamp their whole line to make it more appealing to women of all ages b/c all I see it attracting is older ladies who are too set in their ways to change.
| Originally Posted by slvrlips
wow this thread is awesome. For me a lady of color that doesn't wear foundation often this gave me some direction as to where I need to look for foundation on those days when I want to be all dolled up. So thanks ladies for the great references and advise but what happened to Fashion Fair have women of color moved away from this product? They have been around forever maybe I missed it but I didn't see it mentioned in this thread. |
I think the problem with Fashion Fair for a lot of us darker ladies is that it is too orange or red to even begin to look natural on us. They really need to revamp their whole line to make it more appealing to women of all ages b/c all I see it attracting is older ladies who are too set in their ways to change.
MAC_Pixie04
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I just found out that Stila is phasing out some of their darker shades in some of their foundation formulas due to low sales. Fortunately, they aren't phasing out the concealers, the oil free and the illuminating foundations but i believe the compact foundation and the perfecting stick will be losing some darker shades.
The other thing I've noticed is the economic stereotype that non-ethnic women can't afford high end cosmetics. I work in a richer area, and I don't see very many African American or Latin women. I see a lot of Asian women and Indian women, but mostly White/European clients. The shades in the lines we carry reflect that as well. I often see in small print (More Shades Available, ask for help) meaning, Darker Shades, you gotta ask for yours. The lighter shades that would suit non-ethnic women are placed on the gondollas, the darker shades are in the drawer. In some lines, Dior and Shiseido and Laura Mercier for example, we don't even CARRY the darker shades in stock. That or they don't even make them. Dior Airflash comes in 4 shades, Porcelain, White, Less White, and White With A Tan (those aren't the names lol thats what we refer to them as). It's infuriating. I'm the only African American woman in my store. There are several asian and mixed ethnicities, but they don't have as much trouble finding their shade as I do.
I had a client come in the other day and I overheard her tell her friend "Why aren't there any Black artists in here? These white girls aren't gonna be able to relate to me." I immediately alerted my lead that even though I was zoned to be in fragrances, I was going to help that client because it really touches me to hear someone with the same problem I've got, and I was determined to help her no matter what. Her issue was two toned lips. She wanted a red lipstick, but had trouble finding one because she had two toned lips so certain colors looked funny on her. I spent about an hour with this client trying on different reds and different liners from brands. This branched out into skincare for her hyperpigmentation, which then led to concealer and foundation for her skin tone, undertone, and type. She left completely satisfied but I still wasn't: it shouldn't have taken me an hour to find a shade for her.
My store director is pushing for Becca and Make Up Forever in our store, and I hope we get them, ALL of their shades. because it's really frustrating as a woman of color to be surrounded by so many white shades, even as an employee, so I can only imagine how aggravating it is for a client.
The other thing I've noticed is the economic stereotype that non-ethnic women can't afford high end cosmetics. I work in a richer area, and I don't see very many African American or Latin women. I see a lot of Asian women and Indian women, but mostly White/European clients. The shades in the lines we carry reflect that as well. I often see in small print (More Shades Available, ask for help) meaning, Darker Shades, you gotta ask for yours. The lighter shades that would suit non-ethnic women are placed on the gondollas, the darker shades are in the drawer. In some lines, Dior and Shiseido and Laura Mercier for example, we don't even CARRY the darker shades in stock. That or they don't even make them. Dior Airflash comes in 4 shades, Porcelain, White, Less White, and White With A Tan (those aren't the names lol thats what we refer to them as). It's infuriating. I'm the only African American woman in my store. There are several asian and mixed ethnicities, but they don't have as much trouble finding their shade as I do.
I had a client come in the other day and I overheard her tell her friend "Why aren't there any Black artists in here? These white girls aren't gonna be able to relate to me." I immediately alerted my lead that even though I was zoned to be in fragrances, I was going to help that client because it really touches me to hear someone with the same problem I've got, and I was determined to help her no matter what. Her issue was two toned lips. She wanted a red lipstick, but had trouble finding one because she had two toned lips so certain colors looked funny on her. I spent about an hour with this client trying on different reds and different liners from brands. This branched out into skincare for her hyperpigmentation, which then led to concealer and foundation for her skin tone, undertone, and type. She left completely satisfied but I still wasn't: it shouldn't have taken me an hour to find a shade for her.
My store director is pushing for Becca and Make Up Forever in our store, and I hope we get them, ALL of their shades. because it's really frustrating as a woman of color to be surrounded by so many white shades, even as an employee, so I can only imagine how aggravating it is for a client.
ebonyannette
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^ that is soo cool Ash. Im sure you totally made her day and helped boost her confidence. Im sure there are a lot of women of color that walk in and walk right out because they dont see their shade.
A client of mine never wears make up but after meeting with me a few times and seeing all the colors and stuff a dark skinned girl can wear she was inspired to go to the MAC counter, so she went to one inside of the new Macys in Eastlake and the salesgirl had no clue what to sell her, she was testing stuff on her own hand instead of the woman that wanted to buy the stuff. So then my client said let me see how these look on me and she tested the stuff on her hand and she said she was not pleased. So she wont go back to MAC without me, I was disappointed because MAC is usually good about hiring people that know what looks good on certain skin tones. So I did all this bragging saying the MA's at MAC where fabulous and her first experience totally sucked. This kind of thing happens way too often and we end up not buying anything because we think no one in there can relate to our skin.
And yeah I dont care for Fashion Fair because their stuff looks "old" and I dont think I should have to settle for that.
A client of mine never wears make up but after meeting with me a few times and seeing all the colors and stuff a dark skinned girl can wear she was inspired to go to the MAC counter, so she went to one inside of the new Macys in Eastlake and the salesgirl had no clue what to sell her, she was testing stuff on her own hand instead of the woman that wanted to buy the stuff. So then my client said let me see how these look on me and she tested the stuff on her hand and she said she was not pleased. So she wont go back to MAC without me, I was disappointed because MAC is usually good about hiring people that know what looks good on certain skin tones. So I did all this bragging saying the MA's at MAC where fabulous and her first experience totally sucked. This kind of thing happens way too often and we end up not buying anything because we think no one in there can relate to our skin.
And yeah I dont care for Fashion Fair because their stuff looks "old" and I dont think I should have to settle for that.
greatscott2000
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I hear you both on that one- I usually make trips to the Sephora in UTC and see that the shades for me are limiting. I try my best to have the MA understand my need but without their knowledge of ethnic undertones- it gets frustrating. Now I just pre-plan when I go into stores and make a list on-line to see if the shades match in person.
aziza
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Their stuff looks absolutely ravishing!!!
| Originally Posted by quandolak
Hi, I found this www.sleek.co.uk its cosmetics for middle eastern,black and asian women's skincolour. |
Their stuff looks absolutely ravishing!!!
Macnarsandlove
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I dont patronize lines like stila, chanel, and dior beacuse they dont make anything for my skintone. I figure if they dont make things to cater to all women that buy high end beauty products they dont want my $$. I have also gone into a sephora in atlanta (which is a city with a large minority population) and they dont have a lot of diverse lines like becca, mufe, and there nars stock is old and rotten looking. A ma artist there also tried to sell me some foundation that made me look like a ghost. Anyway I figure if the brand makes 10 shades of porcelin, and 10 shades of kinda tan, and one shade that is the color of alek wek (the model) they dont need my business.
thanks
| Originally Posted by MAC_Pixie04
I just found out that Stila is phasing out some of their darker shades in some of their foundation formulas due to low sales. Fortunately, they aren't phasing out the concealers, the oil free and the illuminating foundations but i believe the compact foundation and the perfecting stick will be losing some darker shades. The other thing I've noticed is the economic stereotype that non-ethnic women can't afford high end cosmetics. I work in a richer area, and I don't see very many African American or Latin women. I see a lot of Asian women and Indian women, but mostly White/European clients. The shades in the lines we carry reflect that as well. I often see in small print (More Shades Available, ask for help) meaning, Darker Shades, you gotta ask for yours. The lighter shades that would suit non-ethnic women are placed on the gondollas, the darker shades are in the drawer. In some lines, Dior and Shiseido and Laura Mercier for example, we don't even CARRY the darker shades in stock. That or they don't even make them. Dior Airflash comes in 4 shades, Porcelain, White, Less White, and White With A Tan (those aren't the names lol thats what we refer to them as). It's infuriating. I'm the only African American woman in my store. There are several asian and mixed ethnicities, but they don't have as much trouble finding their shade as I do. I had a client come in the other day and I overheard her tell her friend "Why aren't there any Black artists in here? These white girls aren't gonna be able to relate to me." I immediately alerted my lead that even though I was zoned to be in fragrances, I was going to help that client because it really touches me to hear someone with the same problem I've got, and I was determined to help her no matter what. Her issue was two toned lips. She wanted a red lipstick, but had trouble finding one because she had two toned lips so certain colors looked funny on her. I spent about an hour with this client trying on different reds and different liners from brands. This branched out into skincare for her hyperpigmentation, which then led to concealer and foundation for her skin tone, undertone, and type. She left completely satisfied but I still wasn't: it shouldn't have taken me an hour to find a shade for her. My store director is pushing for Becca and Make Up Forever in our store, and I hope we get them, ALL of their shades. because it's really frustrating as a woman of color to be surrounded by so many white shades, even as an employee, so I can only imagine how aggravating it is for a client. |
I dont patronize lines like stila, chanel, and dior beacuse they dont make anything for my skintone. I figure if they dont make things to cater to all women that buy high end beauty products they dont want my $$. I have also gone into a sephora in atlanta (which is a city with a large minority population) and they dont have a lot of diverse lines like becca, mufe, and there nars stock is old and rotten looking. A ma artist there also tried to sell me some foundation that made me look like a ghost. Anyway I figure if the brand makes 10 shades of porcelin, and 10 shades of kinda tan, and one shade that is the color of alek wek (the model) they dont need my business.
MAC_Pixie04
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Girl, thats my store. Come see me. I've got all the more ethnic friendly brands to a T when I get darker skinned clients that come in. I have combination undertones so I know how difficult it can be to match foundation. Vincent Longo, NARS, Stila and sometimes Lorac can be successful, depending on the price range and skin type.
| Originally Posted by greatscott2000
I hear you both on that one- I usually make trips to the Sephora in UTC and see that the shades for me are limiting. I try my best to have the MA understand my need but without their knowledge of ethnic undertones- it gets frustrating. Now I just pre-plan when I go into stores and make a list on-line to see if the shades match in person. |
Girl, thats my store. Come see me. I've got all the more ethnic friendly brands to a T when I get darker skinned clients that come in. I have combination undertones so I know how difficult it can be to match foundation. Vincent Longo, NARS, Stila and sometimes Lorac can be successful, depending on the price range and skin type.
