Wow. Just wow.

[Shimmer]

As a victim of sexual assault I can see why she did what she did.

Particularly after watching the video.


Focus: Should her case even be heard in court? Should McDonald's be held responsible? Or is this just a case of a dumb kid too stupid to defend herself?

 

[blueyesdancing]

I feel bad for her but come on....how dumb is she? McDonald's is not the only place to work in town....I would have walked out even if it meant my job....and gone to a lawyer, sued, and never work again!!

 

[Shimmer]

she was young, naive, and hey, depending on where you live, for a kid her age it may have been the only gig in town. In my hometown, it's one of three places for a teenager to work.

 

[Beauty Mark]

I don't think she should necessarily sue McDonald's, even though I can understand why. I don't know what kind of training they go under there, but I can't think there's a good way to cover that kind of horror.

I'd say a personal lawsuit against her manager makes more sense. She won't get as much money, but I feel like the manager is the one who really f'ed up, not McDonald's. I can't help but think she'd have to be in on it.

 

[Shimmer]

McDonald's responsibility comes about because
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McDonald's training manual does include a section that cautions employees that "no legitimate law enforcement agency would ever ask you to conduct such a search."

It IS in their training manual.

 

[*Stargazer*]

I feel bad for her because she's obviously young and dumb and has no street smarts and she was violated by more than one person who should have known better. This is a prime example of why young women need to be taught to not have blind faith in "authority."

How dumb do you have to be to listen to someone on the phone claiming to be a cop? Every woman should know that if you can't prove someone is a cop, you ask them to call for uniformed backup, right? That should go double if you are stupid enough to think that someone on the phone is a cop. That manager should have gotten a harsher punishment for sure.

I don't know if I feel McDonalds should be liable. I've always felt that its a bit much to ask large corporations to be responsible for the personal stupidity of its employees, particularly when they don't relate to the business at hand. That said, it would be a nice gesture if McDonalds offered this woman a settlement. Not near 200 million though.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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It IS in their training manual.

Then McDonald's isn't liable for anything, as sad as it is.

I can understand her stupidity. She may be that naive or the stress of her family situation may have factored in it; when some people are under that much stress, sensibility is sort of out the window. She was probably scared of losing her job at first and then scared of what was going to physically happen to her.

 

[Shimmer]

But they (McDonald's) are responsible, because their employee didn't follow the manual. The manager of the store is a duly designated representative of McDonald's, the store, its training, and is the face of authority for that given shift.
That's a huge responsibility to bear, but she undertook it when she (Summers) became manager, and McD's accepted that liability when they put her in that position.
As such, they are liable.

 

[YvetteJeannine]

*Any letters missin. are t.e two letters after F and before I...Periods will be in t.e place of t.e letters...SORRY*

I t.ink people are for.ettin. somet.in....ITS NOT .ER FAULT!

Yes...S.e was INCREDIBLY naive....Maybe even daft...but s.e was also in s.ock.

I am astounded....Yea., maybe t.is .irl was naive, but w.at about t.e MANA.ERS!!!!!! T.ese people are ADULTS...W.AT IS WRON. WIT. T.EM!!????

I am of t.e opinion t.at s.e S.OULD sue...and s.e deserves it....

Some youn. people are trained NOT to EVER question at.ority...even in situations like t.is...

S.e is a sexual assault victim...no doubt...S.e was raped...S.e was .umiliated. S.e was victimized...T.is situation NEVER s.ould .ave .appned...but it did...and its t.e fault of t.e ADULTS and people in positions of responsiblity...T.EY are t.e ones t.at need to be blamed for t.is...NOT t.is poor youn. woman t.at was just tryin. to be responsible....

I cannot even believe t.at lady mana.er...T.ere is somet.in. wron. wit. .er....S.e is a louse...IMO, s.e didnt question w.at was .oin. on because s.e didnt want to!!! S.ame on all t.ese people....

 

[sexypuma]

Totally agree with you shimmer on that one. McDonald is responsible because the manager acted as an agent of McDonald. I can understand why the didn't run away (she was naked, the guy was not only closer to the door, but he was also much bigger, like twice her size. So what are the odds that she can get out of this office?). Besides according to what i read, the manager had asked another employee to watch the victim. When this employee refused to do what the caller said, they brought in the boyfriend. Now, why would you even agree to pursue the interrogaqtion when the other employee finds the caller's request to be disgusting? why even keep sb for 3hrs? we all know that it doesn't take the police that long to come to the scene. Besides, since when do the police arrest people over the phone????

 

[Shimmer]

Indeed.
This girl is a victim of sexual assault, unquestionably.
YES. She could have looked at them and said "You're out of your fucking minds" and been right to do so.
BUT
This was a girl who was a church girl, naive, absolutely untried in the ways of the world. She has NO real life experience, and nothing by which to base anything off of.
She's working to provide for her mom and herself, and she's in trouble.
That's all she knew when she went into the office, she's in trouble.
Once the caller said she was in trouble and started subjecting her to the search, she was on the path to what happened, for better or worse.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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IMO, s.e didnt question w.at was .oin. on because s.e didnt want to!!! S.ame on all t.ese people....

That's why I kind of think she was somehow in on it. I've read other stories about how girlfriends/wives will go along with their boyfriend/husband's desire to rape and assault women.

I'm still not convinced that she has a legal leg to stand on. She's an employee as well, and the manual I'm guessing she read or was supposed to have read. According to the information provided, there's no clause that says "unless your manager directs you to do otherwise." I'm not trying to deny that's she is sexual assault victim or what happened to her is terrible and repulsive. I don't think she had much of choice to save herself in this situation, as she is small and was punished for any "disobedience." It might've been in her best interest to stay, at least in her mind (I think I would've thought the same.) However, I don't know how it's going to fly in court.

In case, my guess is that McDonald's will settle out of court with her.

 

[sexypuma]

I think too that they will settle out of court. That is very bad publicity for them. It was said in the article that the caller once asked the manager to strip search a customer so...

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark That's why I kind of think she was somehow in on it. I've read other stories about how girlfriends/wives will go along with their boyfriend/husband's desire to rape and assault women. I'm still not convinced that she has a legal leg to stand on. She's an employee as well, and the manual I'm guessing she read or was supposed to have read. According to the information provided, there's no clause that says "unless your manager directs you to do otherwise." I'm not trying to deny that's she is sexual assault victim or what happened to her is terrible and repulsive. I don't think she had much of choice to save herself in this situation, as she is small and was punished for any "disobedience." It might've been in her best interest to stay, at least in her mind (I think I would've thought the same.) However, I don't know how it's going to fly in court. In case, my guess is that McDonald's will settle out of court with her.

In McD's world, ONLY managerial staff answer the phone.
Also, regular employees are not given the same training as a managerial level is. Once an employee reaches managerial level, s/he is given new training, to include these manuals.
It's unlikely, in my experience from working there, that the girl received any of the training Summers received as a manager.

 

[Raerae]

Hi this is Shimmer, welcome to Specktra McDonalds, may I take your order?!?

You worked at McDonalds? Thats awesome! I'm a huge believer in that everyone and anyone should take some shifts at those restaraunts/retailers/etc that we all take for granted. Gives you a new respect for the people who are working those types of jobs, and mayber a little tolerance hehe. Also helps you understand why things like this can happen.

 

[Shimmer]

It was many years ago, but yes, I donned the purple shirt and hat with the golden arches.

 

[IslandGirl77]

Wow, that was sick. Why did the manager think that removing her clothes was even a sane idea? Was that lady stupid also? That girl is young and naive and I think the manager should be held liable. That girl is a minor and she is under her supervision. I also hope she still isn't with that man.

 

[Shimmer]

she took a plea that basically covered her ass. I wouldn't have allowed it, were I in the position to deny it.

 

[redambition]

that's disgusting

that poor girl. thank god the other employee and the maintenance worker had the good sense to realise something was not right.

macdonalds definitely owe something to this poor girl. they have a duty of care to their employees. when the manager is too stupid to realise something's wrong, or is involved in it, well, you hold the liability.

 

[MAC_Pixie04]

she's not a minor, she's 18 years old. but i do think that they should be held accountable. i dont think she should sue mcdonalds the corporation, but i think legal action should be taken against the management of that particular location. the corporation as a whole shouldn't be held responsible for the act of the stupid adults who listen to some weird voice on the phone.

particularly that manager and her fiance. it didn't even seem like he was an employee, just some random guy who the manager was bangin at the time. he and she should definitely be held accountable.