tinywhiteshark
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PCRM says rabbits, guinea pigs, rats and mice are most common in cosmetics testing.
Revised Mac animal testing policy? :-((
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tinywhiteshark
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just because they have been animal tested in the past doesn't mean companies have to keep testing on animals
just because they have been animal tested in the past doesn't mean companies have to keep testing on animals
agreed!!
We cant change what happened in the past, that opens a whole new can of worms....
romi79_2008
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Is it possible that the products tested on animals to be sold only in China? since all the the other products were tested and sold in the rest of the world without needing the testing!
Mac-Guy
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I'm not sure if I understand your question. Maybe you can rephrase it?
If a company tests products, it doesn't matter where they test and where they sell it, as long as these products are available worldwide. Have a look at the Chinese MAC site and you'll know what products are sold. The range is almost identical. http://www.maccosmetics.com.cn/cult_products/index.tmpl?CATEGORY_ID=CAT2146
This means that old and new products are (and will be) tested, as long as they are sold in China.
commandolando
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MAC may not test on animals but they are owned by a company who does. Just like The Body Shop is "Cruelty free" and yet is owned by L'OREAL! CONTRADICTION MUCH?! I haven't purchased anything from MAC since I found this out. It's been extremely hard but I feel it's for the best. I have higher morals & values than to cause unnecessary harm to a living creature. Has anyone tried Lush cosmetics? I have one of their color supplements and love it!
Dominique33
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Hi,
I am not sur that LUSH is 100 % Vegan... but it's much better than other companies. Everything is tested on animals even food for our pets, so I think we have to change everything from A to Z, which will be very long and difficult. I am not a Vegan, I am just concerned about the issue.
I am not sur that LUSH is 100 % Vegan... but it's much better than other companies. Everything is tested on animals even food for our pets, so I think we have to change everything from A to Z, which will be very long and difficult. I am not a Vegan, I am just concerned about the issue.
This is why I stopped bothering with avoiding certain companies that supposedly test. It's virtually unavoidable and impossible, IMO. (Elaboration below.) [quote name="tinywhiteshark"]just because they have been animal tested in the past doesn't mean companies have to keep testing on animals
[/quote] That wasn't my point. My point is that every ingredient in cosmetics has, over the decades or whatnot they've been in existence, likely been tested on an animal. Because of this, IMO, it's virtually impossible to avoid it, even if you restrict yourself to companies with a no-testing policy (be it solely with a final product or if they claim not to source ingredients from manufacturers who engage in the practice), so the only surefire way to go cruelty-free in this regard would be to stop wearing makeup altogether. I never said or implied that companies should continue to test; in fact, I believe there's virtually no need for it now. (That said, I am for animal testing within the medical field until/unless a better alternative comes around.)
Dominique33
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I am against animal testing within the medical field as well. Or if there are some tests, they must be crueltry free too and non invasive. Animal testing does not improve anything. There are maybe 30 000 conditions and diseases that are human ones. I know because I am bipolar. But I am ready to ban ALL animal tests even if I suffer from my bipolar disorder
. Alternatives do exist but scientists just dont' care, I care. Ok I am not willing to give up make-up for it gives me some happiness in my life, but I think I will use cruelty free make-up as much as possible, I use Bio deo, bio shower gel, bio rosewater and soap, well I'll keep acting that way.
MichaelaLou
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I'm not trying to play devils advocate but animal testing has improved things. I'm not saying its right, but it has. The only valid alternative for drugs would be human trials, which for a lot of medicines aren't allowed unless its been trialed on animals first. I don't think currently for medical purposes there's a way to get around it within the law.I am against animal testing within the medical field as well. Or if there are some tests, they must be crueltry free too and non invasive. Animal testing does not improve anything. There are maybe 30 000 conditions and diseases that are human ones. I know because I am bipolar. But I am ready to ban ALL animal tests even if I suffer from my bipolar disorder. Alternatives do exist but scientists just dont' care, I care. Ok I am not willing to give up make-up for it gives me some happiness in my life, but I think I will use cruelty free make-up as much as possible, I use Bio deo, bio shower gel, bio rosewater and soap, well I'll keep acting that way.
baghdad81
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As a scientist, I know there is no way around animal testing unless we have human volunteers volunteering their eggs to be genetically mutated so we can see how humans would be affected (i.e. produce children with genetic defects)! From a medical standpoint, we would not have any drugs or any treatments from diabetes to cancer had it not been for animal testing. I agree with your point wholeheartedly. I also agree with a point made earlier that all ingredients at one point were tested on animals, hence, we know why we can't use red dye on our eyes etc...Imagine if they didn't then you would get all these people with burnt eyelids because companies adhered to standards of no-animal testing. While I am against non-necessary animal testing, until we can come up with better models of predicting outcomes of a certain chemical, drug, etc...on humans, animals (being about 99.9% similar in genetic content to humans, esp. mice) are essential for advancement of research.
Dominique33
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Hi,
That may be but I am against cruelty. You mentioned cancer ? Ok but so far I know 50 % of cancers are of generally good evolution and 50 % are lethal. Regardless of animal testing as cancer has been growing for years now. Thyroïd is not so aggressive as pancreatic tumors, we all know that. New medication is available for many conditions but is animal testing really useful ? Yes if scientists don't want to kill people when testing a new medication - it's sometimes the case - so animal testing has become an habit, both seen as necessary and ethical. I strongly disagree with that, I know bipolar disorder shares around 200 commun genes with schizophrenia, maybe more but bipolar disorder seems to be a 100 % human condition, there is no model for schizophrenia in animals, so we must find alternatives to animal testing, ethical and voluntary based solutions. It's far from being simple, I totally agree but we must change our ways and habits, in 20 minutes Earth hour starts here, I must go !
Best,
That may be but I am against cruelty. You mentioned cancer ? Ok but so far I know 50 % of cancers are of generally good evolution and 50 % are lethal. Regardless of animal testing as cancer has been growing for years now. Thyroïd is not so aggressive as pancreatic tumors, we all know that. New medication is available for many conditions but is animal testing really useful ? Yes if scientists don't want to kill people when testing a new medication - it's sometimes the case - so animal testing has become an habit, both seen as necessary and ethical. I strongly disagree with that, I know bipolar disorder shares around 200 commun genes with schizophrenia, maybe more but bipolar disorder seems to be a 100 % human condition, there is no model for schizophrenia in animals, so we must find alternatives to animal testing, ethical and voluntary based solutions. It's far from being simple, I totally agree but we must change our ways and habits, in 20 minutes Earth hour starts here, I must go !
Best,
MichaelaLou
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Yes but you have to remember typically with psychiatric medications they're testing them to see side effects as well as improvements. As for schizophrenia, there are models to replicate both negative and positive symptoms. Im against cruelty too, but I would rather have the treatments and medical advances which at this present time can only be achieved through testing l
Dominique33
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Lithium carbonate has been used for 50 years, probably more and it's typically the best mood medication ever ( except contraindication and kidney failure ), others are not so effective generally speaking, of course there are many other drugs available. As far as schizophrenia scientists were able to create negative and positive symptoms with mice, and that's all.... For the time being brain disorders remain a mystery. You are going to wait for a while because bipolar disorder and schizophrenia or depression have a long history ! Platon himself was probably bipolar... I do feel better with lithium, I hope many people do too, if Baudelaire or Lord Byron had not been bipolar poets, they would never have written anything I fear. So it's a cruel disease but cruelty against animals is much more terrible I think.
Best, the 1 hour without any light was hard too but Earth deserved it, I didn't miss it and I feel happy I could do it !
Best, the 1 hour without any light was hard too but Earth deserved it, I didn't miss it and I feel happy I could do it !
MichaelaLou
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Many of my patients respond extremely well to other mood stabilisers. I'm sorry but I'm not sure what point you are trying to make lol, I must be daft. Wait for what? Medications are always advancing and being developed from the aid of animal testing, including psychiatrics. The atypical antipsychotics, more are being introduced. different forms of dementia meds too . Mental illness isn't really a mystery though, generally the science is understood. I'm a psych nurse, so I don't know the ins and outs but doctors attempt to explain it to me a lot lol.
Dominique33
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Hi,
I think you are on the good side, and I am on the wrong side lol.
Well, the most important point is that we share the same passion for beauty products and make-up, in a way we are addicts lol !
Best,
I think you are on the good side, and I am on the wrong side lol.
Well, the most important point is that we share the same passion for beauty products and make-up, in a way we are addicts lol !
Best,
SNJx
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I can see why mac wants to get itself out their in the Chinese market. I worked an event at a well known UK jewellers a few weeks ago and the focus was the chinese market and how businesses over their are really taking off due to an increase of disposable income to the professionals over there. Mac just wants a piece of this action. However, I do not agreewith animal testing and IMO it is disgusting. But I am ashamed to say I currently don't know how this will effect how I purchase from mac; mac draws you in with it's collections and it knows this. I hope in the futureChina will re-evaluate its current legislation and opt for testing laws similar to that of other countries.
dhoakohime
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I just saw this and i will deff stopping any further buying from MAC as disgusted as i am after finding this despite how much i LOVE their products (i was planning a haul day tomorrow with a friend....i guess i'll get instead a perfume..). I am totally against any kind of animal testing, but even more if it stands for something as trivial as make up is. I am against animal testing for medic purposes as well as other methods have been developed involving human cells that have proven WAY more accurate (in fact no so called doctor would use a product that states has only been tested on animals as it is know to not be accurate)..the problem is that it is way more xpensive...but still viable..the problem is how this society is built and where the money is invested...certanly not in education, health care and scientific research....and we find ourselves in XXI century melting the eyes of a rabbit to see if this mascara is safe or not...if you have to try it on an animal i'd love to see what kind of sht you are pouring in the mix..."lets see how much of this sht the eye can hold without being irritated or melted..."
Deff against it..i will turn instead to small companies that almost home make their products : graftobian or kett for foundations, MUFE, Inglot, glamourdoll eyes, sugarpill, etc for eyeshadows and i have yet to find nice lipsticks to substitute the mac ones...that is going to b a real pain, but oh well...in the end i know i am doing the right thing and despite the temptations i will certanly feel better, because i have seen too many pics, too many vids of how animals are tortured for the seek of testing and i just cant handle it...
Deff against it..i will turn instead to small companies that almost home make their products : graftobian or kett for foundations, MUFE, Inglot, glamourdoll eyes, sugarpill, etc for eyeshadows and i have yet to find nice lipsticks to substitute the mac ones...that is going to b a real pain, but oh well...in the end i know i am doing the right thing and despite the temptations i will certanly feel better, because i have seen too many pics, too many vids of how animals are tortured for the seek of testing and i just cant handle it...
