I urge all of you to please work with a product specialist and you will get them without pulling out your hair. Yes, shopping online is a breeze. Yet, I adore and am extremely thankful for the PS's I have established relationships with. With my job, as I am literally chopping about 100 pounds of broccoli today, I don't have time or access to chase this stuff down. When I found out about these, poof, it has been taken care of all thanks to the brick and mortar stores and the incredible staff in them!!!!