xbrookecorex
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So it's fake now?
Abortion = Art? Okay... what?
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blindpassion
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Theres no evidence proving it is or it isnt,
but the exhibit is true, she did create all of this, and however she created it, it is on display
but no one really knows how.
and I have a sick feeling that if she does say its all fake,
that shes only saying that because of the SERIOUS uproar thats going on.
and if she was lying about how the exhibit was created it would still sicken me.
Originally Posted by xbrookecorex
So it's fake now? |
Theres no evidence proving it is or it isnt,
but the exhibit is true, she did create all of this, and however she created it, it is on display
but no one really knows how.
and I have a sick feeling that if she does say its all fake,
that shes only saying that because of the SERIOUS uproar thats going on.
and if she was lying about how the exhibit was created it would still sicken me.
CantAffordMAC
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The morning after pill doesn't make the "might have been" pregnancy come out as blood/blood clots, etc. It doesn't do that. If I have unprotected sex and the man ejaculates inside of me, and I take the morning after pill that night or even 72 hours later, I am not going to bleed and see my would have been fetus (whatever you want to call it).
After an actual abortion you bleed heavily and a lot of clots come out, theres nothing you can do to stop anything, you just have to let everything come out. To be honest, I don't know how she gave herself self-induced abortions in her bathtub MY GOD, what kind of a person does that?? I dont know...I dont know how she did it or how she could even go through something like that. You guys arguing that this is art: do you understand that this sick son of a bitch was in her bathtub giving herself abortions, then collecting the blood for a fucking project?? If that is not sick and mentally ill, I don't know what is.
How can she intentionally make herself pregnant, just to kill it? Several times? How could she look at the blood and be just fine with collecting it for a project? When I had an abortion, I didn't know what to expect. I used the bathroom the morning after, felt all of the clots, looked in my toilet and began crying hysterically. Because I felt like that was my baby in there. I am so sorry for being so graphic but I can't even stop crying right now....how could she be so fucking cruel?
| Originally Posted by BeautyPsycho
^I still think she took "day after pill" which is not under those laws I assume... |
The morning after pill doesn't make the "might have been" pregnancy come out as blood/blood clots, etc. It doesn't do that. If I have unprotected sex and the man ejaculates inside of me, and I take the morning after pill that night or even 72 hours later, I am not going to bleed and see my would have been fetus (whatever you want to call it).
After an actual abortion you bleed heavily and a lot of clots come out, theres nothing you can do to stop anything, you just have to let everything come out. To be honest, I don't know how she gave herself self-induced abortions in her bathtub MY GOD, what kind of a person does that?? I dont know...I dont know how she did it or how she could even go through something like that. You guys arguing that this is art: do you understand that this sick son of a bitch was in her bathtub giving herself abortions, then collecting the blood for a fucking project?? If that is not sick and mentally ill, I don't know what is.
How can she intentionally make herself pregnant, just to kill it? Several times? How could she look at the blood and be just fine with collecting it for a project? When I had an abortion, I didn't know what to expect. I used the bathroom the morning after, felt all of the clots, looked in my toilet and began crying hysterically. Because I felt like that was my baby in there. I am so sorry for being so graphic but I can't even stop crying right now....how could she be so fucking cruel?
Aprilrobin
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"The morning after pill" or "Plan B" is not an abortative. It is esentially the same as hormonal bith control pills in prventing ovulation (the relase of the egg from the ovary into the uterus) if it has not yet happened. If an egg has already been fertilized, then you're pregnant.
It is common misconception that the Morning After Pill prevents implantation as a secondary way of preventing pregnancy.
About 30 years ago they thought that was a possibility but now tests on primates say it likely isn't happening in humans and there's no evidence that it ever has happened in humans. However, it isn't ethical to conduct actual studies on humans, so it is said that this is unknown and will probably always remain unknown.
| Originally Posted by BeautyPsycho
^I still think she took "day after pill" which is not under those laws I assume... |
"The morning after pill" or "Plan B" is not an abortative. It is esentially the same as hormonal bith control pills in prventing ovulation (the relase of the egg from the ovary into the uterus) if it has not yet happened. If an egg has already been fertilized, then you're pregnant.
It is common misconception that the Morning After Pill prevents implantation as a secondary way of preventing pregnancy.
About 30 years ago they thought that was a possibility but now tests on primates say it likely isn't happening in humans and there's no evidence that it ever has happened in humans. However, it isn't ethical to conduct actual studies on humans, so it is said that this is unknown and will probably always remain unknown.
lipstickandhate
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As soon as this "advisor" of hers heard about this project (Yale is now saying it's not real), she should have marched this girl straight to the on-campus mental facilities and called her parents. This is some straight up pathological behavoir.
You know the alumni relations guy at Yale is silently crying into his pillow tonight.
You know the alumni relations guy at Yale is silently crying into his pillow tonight.
flowerhead
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flowerhead
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this isn't illegal in america, is it? sorry, i don't know much about american constitutional law. would you like to inform me about british or chilean or icelandic laws?
| Originally Posted by lipstickandhate
I also like how "artistes" know about .0000001% of constitutional law and zilch about criminal law. |
this isn't illegal in america, is it? sorry, i don't know much about american constitutional law. would you like to inform me about british or chilean or icelandic laws?
lipstickandhate
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What isn't illegal? Her art? No. Well maybe it could be if someone cared enough to prosecute her for obscenity, which is a class of speech that's not protected by the First Amendment. Obscenity prosecutions are rare nowadays though since what qualifies as "obscene" is defined by community standards which are (fortunately) pretty liberal.
Obscenity, fighting words, libel, are classes of speech not protected by the First Amendment.
| Originally Posted by flowerhead
this isn't illegal in america, is it? sorry, i don't know much about american constitutional law. would you like to inform me about british or chilean or icelandic laws? |
What isn't illegal? Her art? No. Well maybe it could be if someone cared enough to prosecute her for obscenity, which is a class of speech that's not protected by the First Amendment. Obscenity prosecutions are rare nowadays though since what qualifies as "obscene" is defined by community standards which are (fortunately) pretty liberal.
Obscenity, fighting words, libel, are classes of speech not protected by the First Amendment.
duckduck
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I really don't think it is hypocritical to say that while I am in full support of legal, safe abortion, and would even have one myself, I do not think it is a decision to be taken lightly. Also, I certainly do not think one should attempt to get pregnant with the express intention of having an abortion.
Think of it like returning something to the MAC counter. I am all in favor of MAC's open, friendly return policy, and have even returned some things myself. In this analogy, what she did would be like walking up to the counter and buying a product with a plan to return it the next day. Then doing it again. And again. And again. You see, I am in favor of the system being in place, but I completely disagree with her use of it.
Okay... my anology kinda sucks, but hopefully that gives you a better idea of what I mean.
| Originally Posted by flowerhead
what bothers me the most about this argument is the pro-abortion individual's hypocritical outrage. |
I really don't think it is hypocritical to say that while I am in full support of legal, safe abortion, and would even have one myself, I do not think it is a decision to be taken lightly. Also, I certainly do not think one should attempt to get pregnant with the express intention of having an abortion.
Think of it like returning something to the MAC counter. I am all in favor of MAC's open, friendly return policy, and have even returned some things myself. In this analogy, what she did would be like walking up to the counter and buying a product with a plan to return it the next day. Then doing it again. And again. And again. You see, I am in favor of the system being in place, but I completely disagree with her use of it.
Okay... my anology kinda sucks, but hopefully that gives you a better idea of what I mean.
duckduck
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Oh hon - I am so sorry you had to go through that. I cannot even begin to imagine what that must have been like for you, or what this must feel like now. I am sending lots of good thoughts and hugs your way tonight.
| Originally Posted by CantAffordMAC
The morning after pill doesn't make the "might have been" pregnancy come out as blood/blood clots, etc. It doesn't do that. If I have unprotected sex and the man ejaculates inside of me, and I take the morning after pill that night or even 72 hours later, I am not going to bleed and see my would have been fetus (whatever you want to call it). After an actual abortion you bleed heavily and a lot of clots come out, theres nothing you can do to stop anything, you just have to let everything come out. To be honest, I don't know how she gave herself self-induced abortions in her bathtub MY GOD, what kind of a person does that?? I dont know...I dont know how she did it or how she could even go through something like that. You guys arguing that this is art: do you understand that this sick son of a bitch was in her bathtub giving herself abortions, then collecting the blood for a fucking project?? If that is not sick and mentally ill, I don't know what is. How can she intentionally make herself pregnant, just to kill it? Several times? How could she look at the blood and be just fine with collecting it for a project? When I had an abortion, I didn't know what to expect. I used the bathroom the morning after, felt all of the clots, looked in my toilet and began crying hysterically. Because I felt like that was my baby in there. I am so sorry for being so graphic but I can't even stop crying right now....how could she be so fucking cruel?
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Oh hon - I am so sorry you had to go through that. I cannot even begin to imagine what that must have been like for you, or what this must feel like now. I am sending lots of good thoughts and hugs your way tonight.
blindpassion
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Sweety oh my gosh!
Im almost crying for you! Im so sorry you had to go through that! You're a strong, beautiful girl! and what you went through was horrible but you're so brave for surviving it... *hugs*
| Originally Posted by CantAffordMAC
The morning after pill doesn't make the "might have been" pregnancy come out as blood/blood clots, etc. It doesn't do that. If I have unprotected sex and the man ejaculates inside of me, and I take the morning after pill that night or even 72 hours later, I am not going to bleed and see my would have been fetus (whatever you want to call it). After an actual abortion you bleed heavily and a lot of clots come out, theres nothing you can do to stop anything, you just have to let everything come out. To be honest, I don't know how she gave herself self-induced abortions in her bathtub MY GOD, what kind of a person does that?? I dont know...I dont know how she did it or how she could even go through something like that. You guys arguing that this is art: do you understand that this sick son of a bitch was in her bathtub giving herself abortions, then collecting the blood for a fucking project?? If that is not sick and mentally ill, I don't know what is. How can she intentionally make herself pregnant, just to kill it? Several times? How could she look at the blood and be just fine with collecting it for a project? When I had an abortion, I didn't know what to expect. I used the bathroom the morning after, felt all of the clots, looked in my toilet and began crying hysterically. Because I felt like that was my baby in there. I am so sorry for being so graphic but I can't even stop crying right now....how could she be so fucking cruel?
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Sweety oh my gosh!
purrtykitty
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I don't even think it's hypocritical to be in support of legal, safe abortion, but firmly believe it is nothing you would choose (that's basically how I feel). Obviously one should never say never, but I don't think it's an all-or-nothing choice, as it was put earlier.
| Originally Posted by duckduck
I really don't think it is hypocritical to say that while I am in full support of legal, safe abortion, and would even have one myself, I do not think it is a decision to be taken lightly. Also, I certainly do not think one should attempt to get pregnant with the express intention of having an abortion. |
I don't even think it's hypocritical to be in support of legal, safe abortion, but firmly believe it is nothing you would choose (that's basically how I feel). Obviously one should never say never, but I don't think it's an all-or-nothing choice, as it was put earlier.
purrtykitty
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I am so sorry. I'm sure it was an incredibly difficult choice for you. I can't even imagine what kind of emotions this topic is arousing within you.
| Originally Posted by CantAffordMAC
The morning after pill doesn't make the "might have been" pregnancy come out as blood/blood clots, etc. It doesn't do that. If I have unprotected sex and the man ejaculates inside of me, and I take the morning after pill that night or even 72 hours later, I am not going to bleed and see my would have been fetus (whatever you want to call it). After an actual abortion you bleed heavily and a lot of clots come out, theres nothing you can do to stop anything, you just have to let everything come out. To be honest, I don't know how she gave herself self-induced abortions in her bathtub MY GOD, what kind of a person does that?? I dont know...I dont know how she did it or how she could even go through something like that. You guys arguing that this is art: do you understand that this sick son of a bitch was in her bathtub giving herself abortions, then collecting the blood for a fucking project?? If that is not sick and mentally ill, I don't know what is. How can she intentionally make herself pregnant, just to kill it? Several times? How could she look at the blood and be just fine with collecting it for a project? When I had an abortion, I didn't know what to expect. I used the bathroom the morning after, felt all of the clots, looked in my toilet and began crying hysterically. Because I felt like that was my baby in there. I am so sorry for being so graphic but I can't even stop crying right now....how could she be so fucking cruel?
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I am so sorry. I'm sure it was an incredibly difficult choice for you. I can't even imagine what kind of emotions this topic is arousing within you.
BeautyPsycho
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Thanks!
I was just wondering because it said in the article "possible pregnancies" which means she wasn't sure she was even pregnant? You know.. that blood that was comming out might have been just her period (or w/e) caused by those drugs she took... I'm not trying to defend her, just saying that it didn't actually say she was 100% pregnant and x number of weeks... so.. you know... I have no idea. I'm hoping I'm right because it's just less cruel.
| Originally Posted by Aprilrobin
"The morning after pill" or "Plan B" is not an abortative. It is esentially the same as hormonal bith control pills in prventing ovulation (the relase of the egg from the ovary into the uterus) if it has not yet happened. If an egg has already been fertilized, then you're pregnant. It is common misconception that the Morning After Pill prevents implantation as a secondary way of preventing pregnancy. About 30 years ago they thought that was a possibility but now tests on primates say it likely isn't happening in humans and there's no evidence that it ever has happened in humans. However, it isn't ethical to conduct actual studies on humans, so it is said that this is unknown and will probably always remain unknown. |
Thanks!
I was just wondering because it said in the article "possible pregnancies" which means she wasn't sure she was even pregnant? You know.. that blood that was comming out might have been just her period (or w/e) caused by those drugs she took... I'm not trying to defend her, just saying that it didn't actually say she was 100% pregnant and x number of weeks... so.. you know... I have no idea. I'm hoping I'm right because it's just less cruel.
enjoybeingagirl
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I guess the story isn't true ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/ar....html?ref=arts
Yale: Student's Art Project Only 'Creative Fiction' | The New York Sun
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/ar....html?ref=arts
Yale: Student's Art Project Only 'Creative Fiction' | The New York Sun
BeautyPsycho
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That's about how I feel... Wtf?!
flowerhead
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oh next, pretentious bitch. ugh.
MAC_Whore
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So it's all fantasy land, eh? What sick fuck thinks of this? A serial killer?
When people do shit like this in an attempt to "make you think" about an issue......I'll be honest, I get so annoyed by their tactics that it totally eliminates any "thinking about the issue". Their behaviour totally overshadows their "statement".
So, to Ms. Shvarts I say: Thanks, douche, I can consider abortion issues on my own without your bloody vaseline fantasy land. I can weigh reproductive rights/issues in my own head without your "art".
Good Lord.
Another consideration - I wonder if it is true and people are now trying to hush it up?
When people do shit like this in an attempt to "make you think" about an issue......I'll be honest, I get so annoyed by their tactics that it totally eliminates any "thinking about the issue". Their behaviour totally overshadows their "statement".
So, to Ms. Shvarts I say: Thanks, douche, I can consider abortion issues on my own without your bloody vaseline fantasy land. I can weigh reproductive rights/issues in my own head without your "art".
Good Lord.
Another consideration - I wonder if it is true and people are now trying to hush it up?
*Stargazer*
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Here's guessing his phone is off the hook today and any email sent to him gets an "out of office" reply. What a PR nightmare.
| Originally Posted by lipstickandhate
You know the alumni relations guy at Yale is silently crying into his pillow tonight. |
Here's guessing his phone is off the hook today and any email sent to him gets an "out of office" reply. What a PR nightmare.
athena123
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Originally Posted by athena123
Disgusting. Right on par with that sicko who tied a dog to a public wall and let it starve to death in the name of "art".quote]
Just to let you know, if you do a recent search on this dog "art" scandal, you'll see that it was faked. No dog was harmed or killed, he was fed every night and released back to his home on the streets. The artist did it to show that if we abuse animals in a publicized, shocking way, it gets attention, but animals starve to death in the streets unnoticed every day. So this doesn't pertain to that situation at all, as it was a deliberate hoax created by the artist to make a message, where no living creature was harmed. Google it
I'm aware it was fake but it's still on par with this stupid little *@#$^ who so abused her body in such an incredibly stupid, tasteless and ignorant manner. OK, so these wanna be artists want to get people to talk? How about starting the discussion off in a way that won't sicken people so much. Whatever message this little #%!@ chickie poo had has been lost amidst the disgust. It really is in the delivery, something that's been lost on this lost little girl. She should have majored in communications instead.
I'm done on this thread, said all I plan to say. This isn't art. This ignorant little girl has no respect for herself or for her body, she's a freaking idiot but Oprah will probably want to talk to her anyway. It sickens me and cheapens art, abortion rights, women's rights, freedom of speech, and our society in general.
P.S. I'm not convinced this was a hoax. I think Yale is just claiming it's a hoax to put out the fires...
