Abortion = Art? Okay... what?

Obreathemykiss

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Those boots are hideous indeed! She just has that "look" to her like she would do something like this. What a selfish, attention craving bitch she is. This is seriously pitiful. Yet I am intrigued and interested in it at the same time...weird.

I *hope* I didn't offend anyone by my comment.
 

MAC_Whore

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Originally Posted by lipstickandhate
That picture is a still from her youtube "anti establishment" rant ......

Yeah, can't you just imagine a day in her calendar? Here's my guess:

1. Wake up - check
2. Have coffee - check
3. Abort fetus or maybe just collect menstrual blood in cup (Note to self: Remember to film! I just know everyone will want to see it!!) - check
4. Put on sassy boots and leopard drawers - check
5. Video myself ranting against "the man" and all of the injustices I suffer - check
6. Call mommy and remind her to send my tuition payment to Yale - check
7. Get a Jamba Juice - check
8. Go home and inseminate myself - check

Wow! Full day. I'm tired. I think I'll call it a day!

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Serious question, and this may have been covered, but how did Looney Tunes get semen, because everything about her screams boner-killer.
 

MAC_Whore

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I underlined a couple of my favorite gems from this article:

Quote:
Purported abortion art dupes media, public
Internet spiral gives Yale student what she wants: A whole lot of attention


By JoNel Aleccia
Health writer
MSNBC
updated 2 hours, 52 minutes ago

If Yale University student Aliza Shvarts wanted attention for her senior art project, she gets an “A” for effort.

Everyone else, apparently, gets a “D,” for duped.

The Internet is still reeling from the 22-year-old’s claim Thursday that she captured a series of self-induced abortions on video as part of a final project before her graduation in May. Outrage exploded and abortion rights advocates and foes alike condemned the project described in the college paper, the Yale Daily News.

One blog referred to Shvarts as a baby-killing “fetus artist.”

The incident sparked a series of denials and counter-denials about the truth of Shvarts' assertion that she inseminated herself repeatedly over nine months, took herbal drugs to induce abortions and then recorded the bloody aftermath for a public exhibit set for next week.

It also raised a larger question of whether the entire project — and the publicity that ensued — was part of an self-perpetuating hoax in an era of instant media saturation.

“Our responsibility as journalists to do good reporting when we know we’re getting punked is No. 1,” said Kelly McBride, an ethics columnist for the Poynter Institute, a journalism education and advocacy organization.

On Friday, facts were hard to come by.

Yale officials Thursday denied the story in the school paper, saying that Shvarts told three senior administrators that she faked the abortions as an elaborate gesture of “performance art.”

“The entire project is an art piece, a creative fiction designed to draw attention to the ambiguity surrounding form and function of a woman’s body,” said Yale spokeswoman Helaine Klasky.

Student reverses position
But then Shvarts (or somebody claiming to be Shvarts) denied the university's denial in an e-mail to msnbc.com, insisting that the acts were real.

“I did very much impregnate myself and then induce the miscarriages,” read the e-mail from her personal account that was sent late Thursday.

That was the only response from Shvarts, whose campus phone has been disconnected and who didn't return e-mails to her school account. When msnbc.com forwarded the e-mail to Yale officials, who forwarded it to Shvarts, Shvarts told them she didn't write the e-mail.

But then she echoed similar sentiments in the school paper, but slightly changed her story, saying she didn't know if she had actually been pregnant, but that she had inseminated herself and later induced bleeding.

University officials said Shvarts told them she would deny their version of events.

“Her denial is part of her performance,” Klasky said. “We are disappointed that she would deliberately lie to the press in the name of art.”

The project was approved by a faculty adviser in the Yale School of Art, Klasky said, adding that the proposal did not include details.

It’s still not clear what Shvarts actually did — or why.

The e-mail to msnbc.com from Shvarts' account stated the project was designed to illuminate a fundamental aspect of “Womynhood.”

“I take absolutely nothing more seriously than birth because creating life is the sole domain of Womyn,” the e-mail went on. “But I feel that birth and death are inextricably linked and recognizing this link is key to understanding the greater purpose of my piece.”

Shvarts apparently recorded the forced miscarriages on video and planned to exhibit the images on a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a gallery in Yale’s Holcombe T. Green Jr. Hall. She also planned to include hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting layered with blood from the purported miscarriages mixed with petroleum jelly.

Cultivating uncertainty

Ambiguity was the point, she told the student paper.

“No one can say with 100 percent certainty that anything in the piece did or did not happen,” she said. “The nature of the piece is that it did not consist of certainties. “

The editor of the student paper, Andrew Mangino, said Friday he stands by his story, though he notes that it’s possible Shvarts was never pregnant.

“The News’ reporting indicates that Aliza’s project is not a hoax,” Mangino said. “Two News reporters demanded and received physical evidence as well as graphic (and, at times, bloody) photographs in order to confirm that the project indeed has a physical manifestation beyond the shock value of its public explanation.”

Mangino said he doesn’t believe the paper was duped, and he rejected the idea that the paper could have been cooperating in Shvarts’ performance.

“The News absolutely did not collude with Ms. Shvarts in any giant media hoax,” he said. “Any suggestion to that effect is ludicrous and flatly wrong.”

Issue raises ethical questions

Shvarts is far from the first artist to use shock to make a point, noted Michael Darling, curator of modern and contemporary art at the Seattle Art Museum. Wrestling with thorny issues should be applauded, he added.

"Obviously, she's trying to push a lot of buttons about women's rights and cloning and all those issues," he said. "But it's also a student, too, and they're prone to things that aren't fully formed.

A more mature artist may have had a clearer message in mind before embarking on such a project, unless widespread media attention was the primary goal, he said.

"It makes the rest of the world think the art world is crazy," Darling said.

Whether the student paper that started the story was a victim of a ruse or helped perpetuate one, the young journalists violated basic ethical principles, said Art Caplan, director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania and an msnbc.com columnist.

“There are some topics that just cry out for verification,” Caplan said. “There’s a lot of punking going on by performance artists and journalists need to be wary and savvy — even student journalists.”

That can be difficult, even for veteran journalists, McBride added.

"We are no longer the gatekeepers of information," she said. "We have to act as if we're providing perspective where truth is elusive."
 

Obreathemykiss

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore

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Serious question, and this may have been covered, but how did Looney Tunes get semen, because everything about her screams boner-killer.



You are awesomely hilarious! That made me smile. I was wondering how she got semen myself as well. I am not sure what kind of guy would hand over his love juice to become part of some ludicrous art project consisting of abortions. According to her, they had to submit to STD tests and weren't paid either. Um...not just no, but hell no I won't let you have my sperm
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I gotta go get me some fringe boots and leopard shorts like that. I will look so flippin' hot!
 

lipstickandhate

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore
Yeah, can't you just imagine a day in her calendar? Here's my guess:

1. Wake up - check
2. Have coffee - check
3. Abort fetus or maybe just collect menstrual blood in cup (Note to self: Remember to film! I just know everyone will want to see it!!) - check
4. Put on sassy boots and leopard drawers - check
5. Video myself ranting against "the man" and all of the injustices I suffer - check
6. Call mommy and remind her to send my tuition payment to Yale - check
7. Get a Jamba Juice - check
8. Go home and inseminate myself - check

Wow! Full day. I'm tired. I think I'll call it a day!

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Serious question, and this may have been covered, but how did Looney Tunes get semen, because everything about her screams boner-killer.


I would actually guess that the only thing she does during her day is think about herself.
 

revinn

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I don't think I'd have a problem with this as much if I understood what she was trying to prove by doing it.. The fact that she would put so much stress on her body and belittle the serious act of abortion is beyond me. You know, I'm all for using the shock tactics to get people talking, but there's a limit..when you hurt, discriminate against or demean yourself or anyone else, then you've gone too far. That's why I really liked the starved dog hoax; it got people talking in outrage, then turned us all into hypocrites and made us look back on ourselves. Why do we only address starving animals with such passion when they are dangled in front of us by the media? In this case, however, the artist made a pointless sacrifice that is in no way effective. Her message doesn't come across clearly, and it only inspires disgust and outrage. I'm pro-choice, but come on..to make such a mockery of life itself is so horrifying. Having an abortion is an extremely emotional choice for a woman, and this stupid girl has taken advantage of her schooling to completely defile this hard decision. Can anyone explain to me what point she was trying to get across? I don't speak her pretentious, holier than thou lingo, apparently.

(Does anyone else think it's extremely lame how people can slap anything together and call it art these days? I'm all for modern, unique art, but an exhibition of uteral blood? Umm..no thanks..)
 

k.a.t

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Originally Posted by athena123
I don't care what her intentions were, I really don't. The ends do NOT justify the means. Whatever point she's trying to make it could have been done some other way.
The very act is a mockery. Either she's mocking those who have made very painful decision to terminate a pregnancy, or she's mocking people who would do ANYTHING to conceive. And this certainly doesn't help rape victims either.
I know life isn't sunshine and it's not always pretty, but spending your time focusing on such a gruesome task is hardly exalting, is it? After I read the news and realize the ugliness, then I prefer to focus on the beauty around me. It keeps me sane.


I too have a pretty open mind, but it's not so open my brains are gonna fall out, nor does my open mind mean any lack of conviction. Some things are just wrong, and for me, the process of achieving an end result is sometimes even more important than the result itself. I'm just not an "ends justifies the means" woman and I never will be. That rationale has been used to justify some pretty horrible things.

kat, please don't think that because I'm stating MY disagreement equates "flaming" you. I'm simply not gonna agree with you on this.


I understand your point of view, i think really this is all down to matter of your personal opinion and how you view the situation.

The first reaction i got when i read the title and the article was "WTF?" but i like to not make snap judgement if that makes sense, like i'll think about it afterwards and then decide on what i really think about it. Like i'll get over the initial shock and try and see the reasoning behind it? if this doesn't make sense, sorry i do't make sense half the time lol. Btw i'm not trying to say that the people who think it's 'cold' and such are making snap judgements or anything i was just saying that's how i deal with things that shock me, obviously most people do the same.

Don't get me wrong i think this is creepy and 'wrong' in some ways but we just don't know for sure if her intensions were to 'mock' or whatever.

Sometimes people who do this kind of stuff are just looking for a way to be controversial and attract attention to express their feelings or whatever, and sometimes it's a good thing because what you may find utterly shocking and 'wrong' today, may be just fine in a couple of years/generations to come. Do you see what i mean? I'm not sure if getting yourself pregnant and aborting on purpose and then filiming it and making a display out of it will ever become popular, but hey you never know...

Yeah i agree that she could've chosen to express her view on whatever it is that she wanted to expres in some other way, but maybe it wouldn't have had as much impact? I dunno, cause i don't know what was going through her mind or what she wanted people to think when they saw her display, but i just don't really see how it's 'evil'
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I agree with what people are saying that it can viewed as if she's mocking people who, for example, have problems conceiving a child etc, but then again maybe that wasn't her intension to do so, so in a way is she really mocking them?

I'm not really condoning it as such....but i don't think it's exactly 'wrong' or 'evil' or 'cold' either. I'm pretty neutral about it you might say. Not as in i don't care but i just haven't made up my mind 100% and i don't think i ever will because i just don't know this person and i don't think i'm mature enough to really make up my mind about issues like this yet....which is why i don't have a defined 'view' on this...I'm still a confused teengaer trying to find out who she really is
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No, don't worry i know you're not flaming me, you're stating your opinion (which we are all entitled to do) and you have a good argument to back up your point.
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I was just referring to people who might say i'm 'evil' myself or that i'm completely wrong even though i'm just expressing my view...
 

k.a.t

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Quote:
Originally Posted by revinn

(Does anyone else think it's extremely lame how people can slap anything together and call it art these days? I'm all for modern, unique art, but an exhibition of uteral blood? Umm..no thanks..)


I'm not an art teacher or whatever, but i like to believe i'm an artistic person in a way...

Now this is my opinion on what art is, but of course everyone kind of has their different view of what 'art' is. It's such a hard word to define
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To me, art is anything, or any means that will get your point across about something, anything that shows how you feel about a certain issue etc. It can be anything IMO that expresses your thoughts as an individual...

Sometimes you have to look deeply into something to see the 'art' in it.

And more often than not what seems like 'crap' or junk to other people can be a person's entire life being expressed through it...i think art is more of a personal thing rather than pretty pictures for other people to look at...like i said art is very hard to define.
 
Hello ladies,

This is actually my first post here on Specktra. I haven't exactly had the nerve to post as of yet, but this just stirred some horrible emotional feelings for me. As someone that has been trying to get pregnant for the last year to no avail, it is sickening that someone could just use conception and abortion as an artform. Now, I am pro choice, but on the other hand do not condone it. It's extremely disturbing that someone could completely mock a beautiful creation just for the sake of controversy. For this atrocity, one hopes that karma will come back to bite her.

On an aside, you ladies and gentlemen have created a wonderful forum and I enjoy each and every thread and response on this site. I have learned so much from all of you. Keep up the great work!!

Thanks,
Amanda
 

Beauty Mark

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Originally Posted by revinn
I don't think I'd have a problem with this as much if I understood what she was trying to prove by doing it.. The fact that she would put so much stress on her body and belittle the serious act of abortion is beyond me. You know, I'm all for using the shock tactics to get people talking, but there's a limit..when you hurt, discriminate against or demean yourself or anyone else, then you've gone too far. That's why I really liked the starved dog hoax; it got people talking in outrage, then turned us all into hypocrites and made us look back on ourselves. Why do we only address starving animals with such passion when they are dangled in front of us by the media? In this case, however, the artist made a pointless sacrifice that is in no way effective. Her message doesn't come across clearly, and it only inspires disgust and outrage. I'm pro-choice, but come on..to make such a mockery of life itself is so horrifying. Having an abortion is an extremely emotional choice for a woman, and this stupid girl has taken advantage of her schooling to completely defile this hard decision. Can anyone explain to me what point she was trying to get across? I don't speak her pretentious, holier than thou lingo, apparently.

(Does anyone else think it's extremely lame how people can slap anything together and call it art these days? I'm all for modern, unique art, but an exhibition of uteral blood? Umm..no thanks..)


That's what bothers me. While I personally cannot fathom why one would do that, if she would give a real reason vs. intelligent-sounding gibberish (I love how the art of stringing together large words in hopes of sounding deep and intelligent still lives on), I could maybe be okay with it. The dog thing, though appalling, had true purpose once the artist explained it. Whether I actually agree with how he did it, I do respect ultimately that there was a purpose; I personally feel like the dog artist probably did choose the best outlet, but YMMV.

BTW, I think it's actually quite cheap to take shots on how this girl is dressed and/or her looks. I've known people who find that look stylish. Some of them are pretentious as hell, some of them are the nicest people ever. There really are more important things to criticize about her than her looks or her style choices
 

Kuuipo

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It's no more of an art than some of the Alzheimer's patients who play with feces.
This woman is sick and insurance companies and local hospitals should be notified. She can also die if their are retained products of conception left in the uterus. She needs to be treated for mental illness, or possibley imprisoned.
 

S.S.BlackOrchid

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As for her "art", yeah I think it's messed up and I don't understand the point she's trying to make. But is she really evil, or "a bitch" for doing so?

I have gotten pregnant and made myself miscarry the baby and I don't feel anything of it. I think the baby is better off. And yes, I feel terrible for people who are unable to conceive, but why should that alter my decision?
 

MAC_Whore

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I guess whether you consider her "evil" or a "bitch" just depends on your own personal experiences and perspective.

I think she is either mentally ill or really stupid.
 

Beauty Mark

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Originally Posted by S.S.BlackOrchid
As for her "art", yeah I think it's messed up and I don't understand the point she's trying to make. But is she really evil, or "a bitch" for doing so?

I have gotten pregnant and made myself miscarry the baby and I don't feel anything of it. I think the baby is better off. And yes, I feel terrible for people who are unable to conceive, but why should that alter my decision?


The main difference with your story (I'm very sorry to read it) is you probably didn't intentionally get yourself pregnant and have a miscarriage.

I'm not sure if she's evil or a bitch, but I think she has definitely strongly questionable morals or is possibly crazy. If I were to find myself pregnant, you better believe I'm getting an abortion. However, I would never again and again and again get myself pregnant only to abort it. It is really unhealthy to do. Also, considering how taxing (from what I understand) an abortion can be on the body, I strongly do not believe it is safe for one to perform an at home abortion.
 

user79

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Wait so, this is all a hoax? She didn't actually get preggo and abort?

Meh, I'm kinda bored with these "art statment" things. There have been so many of these types of art school projects with the intention to shock and gain publicity. I find it boring and unoriginal by now.
 

revinn

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
BTW, I think it's actually quite cheap to take shots on how this girl is dressed and/or her looks. I've known people who find that look stylish. Some of them are pretentious as hell, some of them are the nicest people ever. There really are more important things to criticize about her than her looks or her style choices

Oh, I wasn't taking a jab at her appearance, I haven't even seen what she looks like. When I used the adjective pretentious, I was referring to the way she explained her intentions with the art piece.
 

Beauty Mark

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There are comments upthread that are talking about her look; I didn't mean it towards you. I find her "explanation" terribly trite, pretentious, and meaningless; it has has the feel of a politician, saying a bunch of stuff that means absolutely nothing
 

CantAffordMAC

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Shvarts showed the News footage from tapes she plans to play at the exhibit. The tapes depict Shvarts — sometimes naked, sometimes clothed — alone in a shower stall bleeding into a cup.

She is sick. Point blank period.
 

blindpassion

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Originally Posted by MissChievous
Wait so, this is all a hoax? She didn't actually get preggo and abort?

Meh, I'm kinda bored with these "art statment" things. There have been so many of these types of art school projects with the intention to shock and gain publicity. I find it boring and unoriginal by now.



It's real, but it's tricky to explain. The University (Yale) tried to distance itself and say that she was never actually pregnant, but Shvarts shot back and claimed she was shocked that the University would discredit her "art", etc... Shvarts in her own words wrote a press release basically explaining how she DID inseminate herself, she did take the drugs to abort her baby, but theres no way to confirm 100% that she was pregnant, but she did inseminate and she did take these drugs and she did collect blood.
Ugh makes me sick to explain that.
 

blindpassion

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Just an update for ya'll

SOURCE: Celebrity gossip juicy celebrity rumors Hollywood gossip blog from Perez Hilton » Blog Archive » Abortion Girl Banned!

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Yale University officials say they will not allow Abortion Girl to show her senior 'art' project at its scheduled opening on Tuesday unless she admits in writing that she's a fake.

School of Art Dean Robert Storr said, "Yale does not encourage or condone projects that would involve unknown health risks to the student. Nor does it believe that open discourse and inquiry can exist in an educational and creative community when an individual exercises these rights but evades full intellectual accountability for the strong response he or she may provoke.”

Abortion Girl has not responded to the University's latest 'ban' statement.
As of Friday, she was claiming that nothing was faked — she DID artificially impregnate herself and induce abortions.

Abortion Girl said last week that if the University refuses to exhibit her piece, she'll show it elsewhere.

Yale also announced that two faculty members have been disciplined for allowing Abortion Girl to move forward with her project.
 

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