Are things seriously this horrible on Specktra?

[Professor Fate]

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Originally Posted by miz_vee Well, I'd hate for someone to be confused by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, ya know? I wouldn't want anyone to be confused by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, ya know? I didn't have an issue until I was told I was welcome to go elsewhere. I thought this was more of a debate, not a fight.

I think Specktra should charge you and that "other" forum for advertising space.

I don't see you debating, just whining about the "other" forum's lack of exposure here on Specktra.

ya know?

ya know?

 

[Professor Fate]

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore Those who made those comments on LJ, knew they were doing so in a public forum. They are welcomed to "defend, explain or back up their opinions" in that LJ thread or on Specktra. No one is stopping them. That in no way shows a cavalier attitude on the part of Specktra or myself. I said not one word that was disrespectful to her members. I am glad that you enjoy your time there. If you don't know what we are referring to by "tactics" and editorial practices, then you are making a big assumption that it is a "two-way" street. Tactics -Is it always a two-way street? Just because someone makes bad choices or behaves inappropriately doesn't mean the other person does.

F****ING DAWT!

p.s. I love your sig.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by miz_vee Well, I'd hate for someone to be confused by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, ya know? I wouldn't want anyone to be confused by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, ya know? I didn't have an issue until I was told I was welcome to go elsewhere. I thought this was more of a debate, not a fight.

I don't think anyone's told you to go elsewhere, but I'm assuming you're referencing my statement that members are free to browse other forums.
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Whoever on LJ made those comments aren't able to defend, explain or back up their opinions. How fair is that? I wouldn't treat those opinions so cavalierly.

They certainly are, since most of the people with negative comments state that they're also members of Specktra.net

Unethical, ill-conceived, unoriginal, and underhanded tactics shouldn't be rewarded, period. It gets old, as an administrator, moderator, writer, and ongoing contributor, to have one's work leeched and redistributed with incomplete or inaccurate credit being given for that work.
Any administrator of any website has the right and privilege and responsibility to take action when something like that happens.

I see that you're a blogger; I would assume that you feel a certain proprietary emotion for any piece you create, correct? Would it be unbecoming of another person to copy and paste an article you write and credit it to the aforementioned individual? Yes? If you would take offense at that person for their actions, then it's somewhat hypocritical that you defend those very actions.

 

[MAC_Whore]

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Originally Posted by miz_vee ..I didn't have an issue until I was told I was welcome to go elsewhere. I thought this was more of a debate, not a fight.

This is a discussion. Not a fight. For petes sake.

You said:

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Originally Posted by miz_vee ..... why does someone need to stick to one forum?....

That statement implied that we are asking members for exclusivity. Jamie's replied with:

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Originally Posted by Shimmer You're quite welcome to frequent other forums.

Which clarified that we do not expect our members to only visit Specktra. That's it. You're being captious and it's not productive.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore This is a discussion. Not a fight. For petes sake.

Indeed. Actions have been called into question and reasoning for those actions is being explained.
I honestly don't appreciate having my or your work (as Beauty Editors for the blog) cribbed and plagiarized.

 

[darkishstar]

I do have something to say about the whole constructive criticism thing. I find people do give it to you when you ask. The few times I have ever posted an FOTD, I have gotten some great suggestions and tips and advice, because I ASKED FOR IT. I wanted it, and I got it. If I never got it, I never would have thought of filling in my brows.

So if you guys want CC, don't be afraid to ask.

EDIT: And what's more, people use THANKS on FOTDs because it may have been inspiring, shown a useful idea/technique, was creative, and overall is useful to people because it gave them a new idea or combination they never thought of using.

 

[Janice]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer I honestly don't appreciate having my or your work (as Beauty Editors for the blog) cribbed and plagiarized.

It's SO much more that.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Janice It's SO much more that.

It really, really is. I just didn't want to get into specifics

I can't honestly comprehend complaints of a forum being too 'nice'.
I've been on the internet and message boards for...the better part of a decade...and I've never heard, until now, of a message board being too 'nice'.

*sigh*

Thank you Janice for opening me up to vast new vistas of experience and thought processes.

 

[MAC_Whore]

Just another quiet day......sigh......

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by M.A.C. head. I hope this doesn't throw the topic off too much, but: Your signature is very rude and offensive. You may just mean it to express your opinions about rap music, but it puts others down who like rap. IMO it goes against what the Specktra community is about, even if it's not about make up.

+ people who toss around the word "retard" suck.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore Just another quiet day......sigh......

Shh. you're interrupting the learning process.

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Originally Posted by darkishstar I do have something to say about the whole constructive criticism thing. I find people do give it to you when you ask. The few times I have ever posted an FOTD, I have gotten some great suggestions and tips and advice, because I ASKED FOR IT. I wanted it, and I got it. If I never got it, I never would have thought of filling in my brows. So if you guys want CC, don't be afraid to ask. EDIT: And what's more, people use THANKS on FOTDs because it may have been inspiring, shown a useful idea/technique, was creative, and overall is useful to people because it gave them a new idea or combination they never thought of using.

Exactly.
I think expression of appreciation is a GOOD thing! It's encouraging and it's like a little e-pat on the back that makes a person feel good!

 

[laperle]

Shimmer, I must admit you're my favorite Specktra member, even if I don't always agree with you.

 

[blindpassion]

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Originally Posted by darkishstar EDIT: And what's more, people use THANKS on FOTDs because it may have been inspiring, shown a useful idea/technique, was creative, and overall is useful to people because it gave them a new idea or combination they never thought of using.

Thank-you so much for poiting this out. I was going to say that exact same thing myself.
Sometimes I see a certain FOTD and all of a sudden I get so inspired! and I am always so happy I came across that FOTD and that the person went to the effort of posting it, because they are making me better at makeup application and ideas, and I appreciate that. THAT is when I use the thanks button.

 

[Trunkmonkey]

Ahh yes the age old tactic of a forum raid. I can't wait for someone to scream LEEEEEEEROOOOYYY JEEEENNNNKINSSS and the aftermath.
*digs around in bag* yep a pipe wrench would probably do the trick.

 

[miz_vee]

I meant two-way street in general, not specific to the issue at hand. Like, there's two sides to every story. That was a statement about life in general. I don't know what you're inferring to directly, but it has nothing to do with me, or my being a mod.

About my comment regarding the LJ's authors' defending their opinions - are they active members? Are they aware it's been posted? Are they maybe worried about being flayed alive for their posts that they were likely not expecting to see here? I guess who knows, right?

And my being captious - being a member of a censored forum makes me feel like I'm doing something wrong being in both forums when I come here. Hence my comment.

Shimmer - sorry for the misunderstanding about your comment. I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions like that.

Professor Fate - thanks for the super fantastic reply! Your too sweet.


I hardly think one persons makes a forum raid. I'm greatly outnumbered.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by laperle Shimmer, I must admit you're my favorite Specktra member, even if I don't always agree with you.

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Trunkmonkey Ahh yes the age old tactic of a forum raid. I can't wait for someone to scream LEEEEEEEROOOOYYY JEEEENNNNKINSSS and the aftermath. *digs around in bag* yep a pipe wrench would probably do the trick.

YouTube - leroy jenkins

 

[*Stargazer*]

You know how I know a discussion is going well?



Trunkmonkey pops in to visit.

 

[Trunkmonkey]

awww you make me feel special

Want a donut or a car thief thrown off of a bridge?

 

[Beauty Mark]

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I'll be honest. Specktra is cluttered with lots of topics and sections and I sometimes get confused where I should search for what. But that's not the worst thing. I think there are certain groups of people here to stick to each other. Like, one person from some group posts FoTD that is not really special but they get like 100 comments and zillion thanks (why do people thank someone for posting an FotD anyways?), there is no much CC, and when some newbies post fotd (unless they are obvious talent for makeup or really pretty) they don't get much comments.

I can't vouch for any of that (FoTD is not my scene anywhere), but I guess people thank others because of getting ideas. The thanks feature is some harmless thing, in principle. Sometimes, though (and this is nothing against you, Janice), I wish that it didn't exist. I feel like it creates a lot of drama that never quite ends.

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Don't get me wrong, comments aren't everything - I'd rather get one good and CC than 50 saying 'that's pretty/nice/great'. And I got impression that there are members who think of themselves as higher than others because they are on Specktra for long time or they have huge collection of MAC. When someone says something opposite to what they are saying they get bitch slapped. "How dare they!"

I think if you look in the past, many of us have argued in this forum. I know I've disagreed with quite a few people and they with me.

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The funny thing is, those people who always cirticize don't even post FotDs...ha. There's no relaxed atmosphere anymore. It's like competing who's better, just prestige. For example, those huge banners for Gold, Silver and Bronze supporters.

Perhaps this goes into your "who's been a member longest?" argument, but I feel like I get treated no differently for not having a banner of any kind under my name. If I act like an idiot, I get called out on it. I normally (I don't think I do) do not.
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I can't say about whole specktra because I visit only few sections (FoTDs, Swatches and Tutorials) and there's no much discussion there so I can't comment on that. And I don't think whole T.e.m.p.t.a.l.i.a censorship helped you.

Will someone explain to me what the devil that is in PM?
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I think this forum is so big and popular and has so many information just because of members, because forums are made of members and can make them what they are. That why I keep coming back, but not posting or commenting much. You should really value each member equally and not discriminate. I saw so many newbies posting 'Please be nice for my first FotD!' Doesn't that say something?

A lot of new people post that because it's very scary putting yourself out there. Even if you know you're in an encouraging and non-judging environment, it is still scary; I know this from dance performances I've done for friends where I've felt the need to say stuff like that. I think that doesn't necessarily speak about the members (and I'm kind of confused... we go from being way too nice and offer no critique to being mean?)

 

[duckduck]

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Originally Posted by Sound Of Vision I think there are certain groups of people here to stick to each other. Like, one person from some group posts FoTD that is not really special but they get like 100 comments and zillion thanks (why do people thank someone for posting an FotD anyways?), there is no much CC, and when some newbies post fotd (unless they are obvious talent for makeup or really pretty) they don't get much comments. Don't get me wrong, comments aren't everything - I'd rather get one good and CC than 50 saying 'that's pretty/nice/great'.

I dunno, I don't read or post much in the FOTD forum, but when I did put an FOTD up as a newbie, I took the comments I got to be sincere, and I really appreciated them. Sure, I didn't get as many as some people, but I also don't contribute to the forum as much, so I didn't expect them. All the same, I was incredibly flattered by the people who took the time to thank and compliment me.

Also, I feel like if I did participate more in a certain forum such as FOTD, then I would become part of one of those "groups" you are talking about. As best as I can tell, they are friends because they share their FOTD's with each other nearly everyday, not because they wish to exclude anyone.

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Originally Posted by Sound Of Vision There's no relaxed atmosphere anymore. It's like competing who's better, just prestige. For example, those huge banners for Gold, Silver and Bronze supporters.

To be fair, anyone can get one of those - all you have to do is donate. It's really not much money either, and I think the banner isn't so much prestige as a thank you from Specktra for donating, and a visible means to advertise the donation system to other members.

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Originally Posted by Sound Of Vision I saw so many newbies posting 'Please be nice for my first FotD!' Doesn't that say something?

Well, from the point of view of a recent newbie, yeah, it does say something - it says the putting your picture up amongst all of the amazing FOTD's is incredibly intimidating. Before I put mine up, I read through other FOTD comments for hours making sure there weren't mean ones. When I didn't find one, I felt comfortable posting. Perhaps I could have more accurately written "Even though everyone on here seems supportive and nice, I am trying a new thing out and its intimidating, so please continue what you normally do and don't suddenly all mystically turn in to mean monsters. 'Cause that would suck."