Boob Nazis, Bottle feeders, and discretionary tactics

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Beauty Mark

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I think people are going to do a double take- it's normal. It's just excessive staring and being a jerk about it is the problem.

I think breastfeeding while you're getting any kind of work done (hair, nails, MU demo) is wrong normally, because it's probably going to to increase the amount of time it takes for the person providing the service. You should plan around it if you can help it.

Women should be allowed to go topless wherever men are allowed to be topless, but that's another topic
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giz2000

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On the subject of breast vs bottle, I've gotten into and gone toe to toe with women about this.
Breastfeeding IS NOT FOR ME. I don't like it, I don't enjoy it, I don't revel in it, and HONESTLY I resent it. Period.
So when I say I've bottle fed, being called a negligent parent for doing so causes my hackles to raise and my ire to be unleashed.
I've made an informed decision based on research and personal experience...that should be enough.



There's a girl I know who castigates mothers who feed their babies gerber babyfood, because it's overprocessed and has starches/sugars in it.
She'll fire a daycare for not holding her child enough, or for giving her the bottle (of breastmilk) instead of holding her while she's eating.
I shake my head and keep my mouth shut because seriously, God help her if I'm ever in a bad mood and hearing about this shit.


I am with you...I have two kids (they're 17 and 11) and they were bottle-and Gerber-fed. They're as healthy as two horses.

I respect those who want to go the breast-organic/homemade food route, but don't ever come and tell me I raised my kids wrong....
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I do have to add a little something, though: in my figure drawing class at the uni, we have a model who had her son 5 months ago. The other day, she had to bring him to class because she didn't have a sitter. She was posing for the class when the baby started crying. She just picked him up, he latched on to her breast and the class went on. We drew the baby into our drawings, and I have to say that the drawing I have of her feeding her son is one of the best I've done all semester. It was so natural, so loving...while breastfeeding wasn't for me, it was nice to see something so....sweet.
 

mzcelaneous

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I think breastfeeding while you're getting any kind of work done (hair, nails, MU demo) is wrong normally, because it's probably going to to increase the amount of time it takes for the person providing the service. You should plan around it if you can help it.

I highly agree. It would be inappropriate if you were to stop whatever he/she was doing to feed your kid whether it's to nurse, bottle-feed, hand feed, whatever. Yeah...I don't think the MU demo was a good example.
 

Shimmer

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I think it's in better taste to make an appointment and leave the little one at home for that hour or so.
 

GreekChick

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I highly agree. It would be inappropriate if you were to stop whatever he/she was doing to feed your kid whether it's to nurse, bottle-feed, hand feed, whatever. Yeah...I don't think the MU demo was a good example.

Just to clarify, the emphasis was not really on the demo. I gave that example in order to illustrate someone breastfeeding their child at a makeup counter, a public scene, regardless if they were interrupting the MUA or not.
 

jenii

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I personally could never deny my child that regardless of whatever selfish excuses I can come up with. Nevertheless, I am in no position to criticize anyone who chooses to bottle feed.

No offense, but you just DID criticize bottle-feeders by calling whatever reasons they have for making their choice "selfish excuses."

You tried to seem non-judgmental about it, and slipped in a subtly judgmental statement.
 

mzcelaneous

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Just to clarify, the emphasis was not really on the demo. I gave that example in order to illustrate someone breastfeeding their child at a makeup counter, a public scene, regardless if they were interrupting the MUA or not.

I understand.

Either way, I wouldn't feed my child at the make-up counter or anywhere similar. A public scene, like in the middle of the mall or at the park I would. But then again, personally, I'd cover up.

Yea. I'm no help
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mzcelaneous

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No offense, but you just DID criticize bottle-feeders by calling whatever reasons they have for making their choice "selfish excuses."

You tried to seem non-judgmental about it, and slipped in a subtly judgmental statement.


True. But I don't think she meant to "criticize" in a bad way. Selfish excuses don't necessarily have to have a bad connotation to them. My friends that choose to bottle-feed do so because they don't feel that nursing is right for them, they didn't enjoy it, and because they found bottle-feeding easier for them, all which are selfish reasons. Same can apply to breast feeding (they enjoy the bonding time, they feel it's what's best, they find it more convenient for them , etc). Makes me wonder. Is there such thing as a self-less deed? That's a whole different topic
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If I don't make any sense. Please blame my pregnant mind. Thankyouverymuch
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Suzyn

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News flash- Breast are not for men to look at or for other purposes other than to feed an infant. They are sexual because ppl as a whole have turned them sexual. Their sole purpose was the intention of feeding a child. Other animals have nipples, again, solely for feeding their infants. Think a bull gets off on seeing a cows udders???!?!

I wish I could have breastfed my daughter. I tried it for two months and my daughter was losing weight not gaining weight. Something was majorly WRONG. After 2 months she still wasn't at the weight she was when she was born. Tried different things and even found out my milk was sour. I continued to breast feed while supplementing her w/ formula, and eventually dried up because of this. I later had more problems, even turning jaundice myself to find out it was all related to gallbladder problems. I had had stones since before I was pregnant evidently. Having a HIGH pain tolerance I didn't realize the symptoms, and only finally found out after she had turned 4 months. (Side note: I feel for jaundice babies, that shit itches. I couldn't sleep for itching so much.) My surgeon told me my gallbladder was almost gangrene. Maybe next time I will have the chance to try again!

Anyway, my point is this: Its natural. Sorry if you don't like it, and no knock to bottle feeders, because I fed her in public with a bottle most of the time and later had to give her formula, but since it is natural and the way things were intended, I think it is MY RIGHT to be able to do it in public. God, Allah, the higher power, mother earth, whatever you believe created me and you made us that way. Sorry if you are offended by something you have. I'm not flashing you to give your husband or kid a rise, so get over it.

I also do agree w/ the age thing tho. If that child that can unhook your bra, tell you s/he is hungry and reach for your breast, etc (w/i the confines that they are able to drink cow's milk by that time) then by god why the heck are you still breast feeding that child? They should have their sippy cup of milk just like I did. Its like when a kid gets old enough to tell you that they have a dirty diaper and even lays on the floor and puts their feet in the air for you to change them, WHY THE F HAVEN'T YOU POTTY TRAINED THAT DAMN KID? and believe me, Ive seen that too. Teach the kid to use a toilet!
 

user79

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People who have a problem with mothers breastfeeding their babies in public have issues. Period.

Even in societies with more strict social rules, like in Asia, it is common to see women breastfeeding their children.

If you aren't able to breastfeed, that's one thing, but not breastfeeding out of conveneince or soemthing I think is doing a disservice to the child. There have been so many studies done that show breastmilk contains a lot of important things in it to strengthen babies' immune systems for life. Children who weren't breast fed have a statistical inclination to be more ill in life, that's a proven fact. I guess it's just a question of how healthy and strong you want your child to be in later life.
 

Shimmer

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If you aren't able to breastfeed, that's one thing, but not breastfeeding out of conveneince or soemthing I think is doing a disservice to the child. There have been so many studies done that show breastmilk contains a lot of important things in it to strengthen babies' immune systems for life. Children who weren't breast fed have a statistical inclination to be more ill in life, that's a proven fact. I guess it's just a question of how healthy and strong you want your child to be in later life.

My kidlets must be a statistical anamoly then, as the two who were breastfed (one of them wasn't mine, his mom breastfed him until he was almost a year old) are more prone to illness, allergy, and ailment than the two who were bottle fed. My younger two, I absolutely did NOT do the whole breast feeding thing with, and they're two of the healthiest, most energetic, and remarkably intelligent (their teachers' words, not mine) children you could ask to meet.
Based on that information, to say that I did a disservice to any of my kids, or to say that I, through formula feeding the youngest two boys, have denied them something, is rather ridiculous.
Braden walked at seven and a half months old. He was crawling (doing the bellyflop boogie) by four months of age. The ONLY setback he's ever had was when his grandmother (my exhusband's mom) fell on him and broke his leg when he was eleven and a half months old. Even that, he recovered from very quickly and was again up and going fullspeed by the end of summer.
Braden spoke earlier than either of his siblings, and his diction was far better than any one of his peers. Even now, going into kindergarten, he's met with his future teachers and school administrators and all have remarked upon how well he speaks, his mannerisms, and the fact he's not a roly poly fatbody like so many kids these days are.
Formula fed kid.
Taylor is an athlete, swimming, running, jumping, climbing, plays baseball and switch hits, was walking before his first birthday, crawling before six months of age, and enunciating clearly from the beginning. He's off the charts when he's tested, and is actually, according to his teachers, well above his classmates. He reads clearly, understands abstract and spatial concepts as well as linear and concrete ones, and also isn't a roly poly fatbody like so many of his classmates.
Another formula fed kid.
The older two were both breast fed (one for six to eight weeks, one for almost a year...) and both are prone to strep infections, allergy attacks, asthma attacks, heavier stature than the doctors prefer them to have, ear infections, throat infections, colds, both walked later than the younger two, though Sarah's always had fantastic enunciation and motor control. Both of the older two are prone to feverish ailments during wintertime, both of the older two have had tooth problems in the past, and while neither of them are remotely close to unintelligent, the younger two are, admittedly, probably ahead of them on that.
Both of the older two were breastfed.

I really fail to see how a disservice was done to the younger two, because they were formula fed, instead of breast fed. How healthy do I want my kids to be later in life? That's a ridiculous question.


Essentially, you just called me, and every mother on here who has stated that breastfeeding (which, if you had ever done it you would know is NOT a comfortable painfree experience, particularly if there are any latching problems or you have inverted nipples...) is not their chosen method of childrearing, a bad mother, and honestly, it's quite offensive.
 

macslut

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I think some of the boob nazis (I think they even proudly call themselves that) believe that the milk must go directly from the breast to the child with no bottle in between. Something about bonding.

So I guess they would argue that a woman who has adopted children never really fully bonds with them. That is bullshit.
 

macslut

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There have been so many studies done that show breastmilk contains a lot of important things in it to strengthen babies' immune systems for life. Children who weren't breast fed have a statistical inclination to be more ill in life, that's a proven fact. I guess it's just a question of how healthy and strong you want your child to be in later life.

There is a correlation between not being breastfed and illness later in life. Causation has not been shown between the two. Correlation and causation are not the same thing. Other factors (confounding variables) tend to affect these things. And it is not a "proven fact". There is no such thing in science. If you can prove or disprove beyond a shadow of a doubt, it is not science.
 

Raerae

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I am a Lacatation consultant at a very large hospital, and your commnets are nothing new to me. I commend those who have adapted the attitude of, "I will feed my infant wherever I want to, regardless of who I offend." If you are offended at the sight of an infant eating in the way God itended him/her to do so, you are the one with the problem. If the mother chooses to use a blanket and be more discreet, fine, but if she chooses not too, that is fine as well.

1 question to public breastfeeders. In the event that you can't be with your child, what do you do to feed them when your breast is not availible? Maternity leave is only 3 months, and I'd have to assume that working moms are not leaving their boobs at home for their babies to nurse when they are not there... Or to be a breastfeeder do you have to be strictly a stay at home mom?
 

pumpkincat210

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1 question to public breastfeeders. In the event that you can't be with your child, what do you do to feed them when your breast is not availible? Maternity leave is only 3 months, and I'd have to assume that working moms are not leaving their boobs at home for their babies to nurse when they are not there... Or to be a breastfeeder do you have to be strictly a stay at home mom?

No, you don't have to be a stay at home mom. You can pump your breasts and save the milk for up to a day
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mzcelaneous

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1 question to public breastfeeders. In the event that you can't be with your child, what do you do to feed them when your breast is not availible? Maternity leave is only 3 months, and I'd have to assume that working moms are not leaving their boobs at home for their babies to nurse when they are not there... Or to be a breastfeeder do you have to be strictly a stay at home mom?

When I had my daughter, I was still taking college classes. When she was at home with her dad, I'd pump in between classes at the school's day care center (in a private room of course). One of my good friends is pumping at work as well and nurses her baby when she's home.

However, it can be difficult for a baby to transition from the breast to the bottle and vice versa. I'm grateful my daughter had no issues with it.
 

Raerae

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So why not just bring a bottle with you for when you know your going to be out? This way you can feed your baby whenever and wherever if there is no place avail to be discrete about it?
 

mzcelaneous

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So why not just bring a bottle with you for when you know your going to be out? This way you can feed your baby whenever and wherever if there is no place avail to be discrete about it?

Because I pump when I am physically unable to nurse her (work, school, long road trips, etc). Otherwise, I'd just nurse her directly.
 

pumpkincat210

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Sometimes when i pumped it made me really sore afterwards and produce excess milk which is kind of painful and if the baby doesn't drink it then you are leaky and that is so annoying! You see, the breasts produce just as much milk as the baby needs, so it's really convenient just to nurse. Breastfeeding also helps you lose pregnancy weight faster because you are using more calories to produce milk. And you do not necessarily get saggy/defleated boobs from breastfeeding either.
 
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