Death Sentences

NutMeg

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Originally Posted by meagannn
I agree. Beyond a shadow of a doubt, like, when someone says 'Yeah i brutally raped and murdered that 10 year old girl.'

Why waste the money on keeping his sorry ass alive till he croaks? I know *I* dont want to pay for his food, clothing, etc. I dont know about everywhere else, but here in Texas our prisons are crowded enough as it is, and we, the taxpayers, have to pay for that.


Just thought I should mention that a confession is not good enough. Innocent people have been sent off to jail because of coerced(sp?) confessions, usually mentally unstable people.
 

Hawkeye

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BeautyMark, while I accept and respect your point of view, I still see it as absolutely no excuse the poverty that is. It's not about luck its about wanting something bad enough to get out of there. And I do have a tendency to think that a lot of poverty is squarely on our government by giving people handouts (getting so OT). I mean a prime example of that is Katrina victims. Those who went and got $2000 from Fema. Well that was saying go out and try to start to make your life better and many instead decided to go out and buy LV bags, drugs etc.

That's why it frustraites me. I can understand if you are literally incapable of working (like some of our veterines) who do not have the physical ability to do it or the mental ability to do it but I cannot understand a healthy person just feeding off our society.

So I think thats a lot of the problem. Which leads me to another point to deter crime-get the easy going stuff out like: TV, etc out of our prisons. I think a lot of people go into prison because they are too lazy to do anything and prison is their meal ticket.

I think thats where I'm coming from. I've seen the results and I've seen other people do it and they rose from poverty etc all because they wanted it bad enough, made good choices, and fought for it.

I've also seen people who had ample opprotunity to make their lives better but they chose not to.

Laziness is a huge factor here. And I think thats what frustraits me most about the prison system.

But now that I went totally OT....

That's why the poverty thing just doesn't hold water with me at all.
 

MxAxC-_ATTACK

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Originally Posted by youbeabitch
My veiws are very straightforward. I do strongly believe in the death sentence. Here are my thoughts as to why:

1) If you have someone already killing people or serial killers or anything that involves children-then they are too far gone to try to rehabilitate them. They will not and cannot come back to society as a law abiding citizen.

2) We have over crowding in jails. The more we enforce the death penalty I have a suspicion that that the problems will slowly come to a stop. Because they will know that we aren't just joking around. Plus it will free up jail space.

3) I do have a tendency to think many criminals get off with a slap on the wrist due to age, to mental state etc. I can understand with children (below the age of 6) but that's a big problem. We always think " Oh its ok he's so mentally unstable he had no clue" well quite frankly he did (and don't even get me started about the mother who killed her 5 kids and got off scott free!)

I think for me personally its a sign of holding someone accountable. Here in the US we do not hold anyone accountable. We say we do but we don't. It's about how much money you have, how much prestige etc. And we're letting these criminals live and they are growing like a cancer on our society and we're looking away trying to rationalize them but the cold hard truth is we can't rationalize with these people. We can't rehabilitate them, people say we can let some guy from death row off chances are he'll be back there within a years time.

Now I know this is one of those things that I seem to be contradicting myself on. As I simply do not under any circumstances think people should be let off the hook. There was a situation in texas a while back where someone was on death row and screamed she became a christian and what not and she appealed and appealed and tried to get to the governor for a pardon and the governor just said, " I can't decide if you are innocent or not, only a higher power can". Or something to that affect.

And the truth is, society doesn't stop this cancer we need to. And we need to let a higher power decide the final judgement.

Now do I believe there should be a THROUGH investigation where there is absolutely no doubt in anyones mind that the person involved is infact guilty? YES. They MUST have a through investigation.

Other than that, I strongly support the death penalty.


Couldnt have said it any better myself.

after I read it, Everything I was going to post, is just exactly what you just wrote. i agree 100 percent with every point you brought up.
 

Bre

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No to the death penalty, I think it's barbaric - when does an eye for an eye ever help anything? If Australia ever went back that way I would be massively dissapointed, we do seem to be following the US trends a lot these days..
 

bellaetoile

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youbeabitch, i agree entirely with you.

keep in mind, my following statements are entirely based upon the US, and primarily california's system. i have very little knowledge of the system outside of the US, and therefore, don't feel i can justly include it in my opinion. also, i REALLy do not want to offend anyone. this is a topic that is VERY personal, and we are all entitled to our own views and beliefs.

first of all, life sentences - while they are supposedly a more "humane" form of punishment, they raise whole new problems amongst themselves.

-taxpayers' money is being wasted constantly, as these criminals are being given better civil liverties than many US citizens. i know a prison dentist, and the dental and medical care given to the inmates far exceeds the care given to the poverty stricken, but law-abiding citizens of the US. we have an obligation to provide top notch health care to those serving life sentences, because any breach in care could lead to an appeal, or a lawsuit, and furthermore could lead to the release of the prisoner. the theory of " you commit a heinous crime, we'll imprison you, but treat you really nice," just doesn't sit well with me. i think prisoners get way too much entitlement, and if something goes wrong, we are essentially setting the whole justice system up for failure.

-secondly, the people serving life terms must have EXTENSIVE guards and wardens, which are expensive to pay, seeing as how prison guard isn't really on the FORBES 500 list of high power jobs. the prisoners are incredibly violent, unpredictable, and frankly, since they know they're going to be in there for life, they feel they have nothing to lose. the number of debilitating injuries inflicted upon prison guards in california alone last year was in the thousands. why do more innocent people need to suffer for the original perpetrator's crime? until we can find a way to properly house, care for, and secure criminals, as well as find someplace to fund it all, incarceration is just another problem we must face.

-also, lifetime imprisonment raises the stakes at convicted felons escaping. while the US has one of the better jail/prison systems in the world, we are still not perfect. in california, last year, hundreds of convicted felons escaped from incarceration, several of which are still missing. thousands of dollars, however, were spent on the hunt for, and subsequent capture of these escapees. again, unnecessary tax dollars going to waste, and lives, both of peace officers and civilians, are being put on the line.

let me quickly point out that, OJ simpson was acquitted because the jury could not find him guilty BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, which is the accepted standard of the US criminal court system. he was LATER found GUILTY in the CIVIL court system, which has a different standard for proving one's innocence or guilt. he didn't "walk free" as many sensationalist media outlets would like you to believe, he ended up paying $33 million in restitution to the estate of nicole brown simpson and ronald goldman, and suffering other assorted hardships because he was found guilty in the wrongful death suits of the above mentioned. the fact that the state attorney could not prove that he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt did not necessarily have anything to do with how much he spent on his legal defense team. the state attorney, as you know, is a state funded office. without knowing the absolute details of what was presented during the trials, it's unfair to assume his acquittal in the criminal case was directly tied to the price of his defense.

there are three main things one must consider when discussing the death penalty. first and foremost, the legal aspect, including the constitutional repercussions. second, the philosophical aspect, namely, the ethical and moral grounds, and third, the statistical analysis on effectiveness and deterrence. however, when considering these three points of interest, one must also consider these points from the standpoint of a murder victim. for example, take lacey peterson, the pregnant wife in northern california who was brutally murdered by her husband. was it LEGAL when scott peterson took her life, and the life of their unborn son? was it ETHICAL when he committed murder? it was certainly PERMANENT. if you take into consideration these three points, and apply them to the criminal, take the three points and also apply them to the victim(s), who clearly had no say in their fate.

interestingly enough, i am studying law to become a criminal defense attorney, yet i believe strongly in the death penalty. so strongly, in fact, that i don't think it's used enough. the death penalty, in california, at least, is most often used in cases involving especially heinous capital murders. i don't necessarily believe an eye for an eye is the BEST solution, however it has been proven over the course of time that so far, society as a whole hasn't been able to come up with a better solution, that is both cost effective, efficient, and safe, to all those involved. the number of convicted felons who are released, whether or not by legal means, that commit further acts of violence, often escalating in nature, is staggering, and for that reason alone, i feel that the death penalty is right.

okay, as you can tell, this is a subject i feel quite strongly about. again, i really value and respect everyone's opinions on here, and don't mean to insult anyone. i think this is a great topic for conversation, albeit, a heavy and emotional one. still, i think we're all doing a great job of being civil and respectful. also, seeing as how it's 5 am here, and i can't sleep, i hope this whole long response makes sense. i'm too tired to go back and really proofread it in detail, lol.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by pumpkincat210
Actually lethal injection is not as serene as it sounds. Alot of time the people are so up on adrenaline the sedatives they give you first aren't enough. When they give you the actual death drug you may gasp for air and be paralyzed from the one of the drugs they gave but still be aware of what is going on for 7 minutes. That would be tortuous.

There are too many gaps and unfair rulings for us or anyone in the world to use this as a form of punishment.


So?
I really really REALLY don't have a problem with that.
In my mind a murderer gave up his right to live when he willingly, knowingly, intentionally tortured and killed another individual.

JBR for example.

That little girl was slowly asphyxiated.
She was sexually molested.
She was TAZED.
She was clubbed over the head.

Who knows how long this went on? You and I certainly don't though the autopsy suggests for several hours....
And whoever her killer is, should that individual be found with a smoking gun of evidence (no, I don't believe this pedophilic wack job is the killer....) expects sympathy from me because the last seven minutes of his life are kinda scary?
Oh.

Gee.

Darn.


I value human life. I believe abortion is a personal choice and not one that is acceptable for me.

I will wreck my car trying to avoid a bunny rabbit in the road. Hurt or sick kids or animals or soldiers or suffering rips my soul.


But a killer? A known, remorseless, convicted killer getting the death penalty?

Does not bother me a bit.

That individual, through his or her actions (Timothy McVeigh for example, who btw caused the death of my childrens' half brother) and disrespect...BLATANT disrespect for human life forfeits his or her right to have his or her life respected.
 

bellaetoile

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkincat210
Actually lethal injection is not as serene as it sounds. Alot of time the people are so up on adrenaline the sedatives they give you first aren't enough. When they give you the actual death drug you may gasp for air and be paralyzed from the one of the drugs they gave but still be aware of what is going on for 7 minutes. That would be tortuous.

people who are raped, tortured, and murdered may be aware, paralyzed, and gasping for air for far, far longer than 7 minutes. and unfortunately, they aren't normally given ANY sedatives.
 

nycky

Member
pro death penalty

I don't post too much on here but i had to chime in on this one. I noticed that no one that posted had posted a personal experience with the death penalty. I have two:

When i was younger there was a serial killer in my town. He killed a good friend of mine's sister. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_RossIt destroyed his family. I remember the fear in the community. I remember not being able to play outside and not going anywhere alone. They wasted millions of our tax dollars not putting this man to death because he said he wanted to die. Then put him to death anyway. The day they gave him the needle was the happiest day of this family's life. They could finally move on. After over 20 years. It was all behind them.

Another Story.....
A good friend of mine from high school and his step brother were murdered in their home in may by a friend of their's who wanted a ride late at night and they wouldn't give him one. (At this point i should note that my friend had been in a wheelchair his whole life, paralyzed from the waist down and couldn't even drive.) The next night the 'friend of theirs' showed up with a shot gun and killed them both. While he hasn't gone to trial yet, the proscuters (sp?) have all ready decided to seek the death penalty. I hope he gets it. And if i could watch i would.

I guess the point of these two stories is you can have any opinion you want but until its close enough to you to make you feel you really have no idea what your opinon will be.

If you have no respect for your fellow human beings lives then i will have no respect for your life.
 

user79

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People keep saying, Oh I don't want my tax money to go to criminals to pay for their keep in prisons. Well, let me point out that on average, a death penalty COSTS MORE THAN LIFE IN PRISON!! That's because of the high legal costs associated with death penalties, so you'd actually be consuming more tax dollars for executing someone rather than keeping them for life in jail.


And no, I am not saying that they should get off easy and you just just give them "a hug and a kiss", that's completely not what I said. I said they should just be incarcerated their whole life with no chance of parole if they committed an attrocious crime. Jail isn't a fun place for maximum security prisoners, it would be so much more of a punishment keeping them in jail, robbing them of their freedom and privacy the rest of their lives than give them an easy out by killing them. To me that is the bigger punishment.
 

Shimmer

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We can't make jail a 'punishment' place.
We have to 'rehabilitate' them and offer them social services.
We have to offer them studies and appeals (on American's $$ by the way, and some lawyer always wants to take it in the OFF CHANCE that not that the criminal be proven innocent, OH NO, but that the LAWYER can display his wildly amazing knowledge of the legal system and get the criminal who he KNOWS is guilty off on a TECHNICALITY).
We have to be sensitive to their needs.
We have to take care of them.
We have to make sure they live in a nicer home than many of the poorest in our nation live in.

They're guaranteed 3 meals a day.
They get recreation time.
They get free studies.
They get to learn crafts and tools and things of that nature.
They get to go outside and garden and work for the betterment of the community.
They get airconditioning in the summer.
They get heat in the winter.
They never once question where or when they're going to eat.
They get clean clothes.
They never have to work for any of this.

Granted they trade their freedom for that but honestly, is it a bad trade given what their crime was?
Likely not.
They get to surf the internet.
They get to make websites and have fangirls send them letters and pictures.
They get to look at porn.


No, I'm sorry.

When the ACLU and the Criminal Rights Activists step back and make jail a place a person DOES NOT WANT to be, then perhaps I'll ease my stance on the death penalty but until then, absolutely no amount of sympathizing on anyone else's part will cause me to do so.

I've toured and had to spend time working in a high security facility.
I've interviewed inmates.
My exhusband was a CO for awhile.

Their life is really NOT that hard. Besides that, they get to be total assholes and there are NO repercussions, because if an inmate slings his sperm and shit on a guard, all the guard can do is REPORT IT. What's more is, the guards don't know who has AIDS/HIV and who doesn't because their medical privacy has to be protected so every goddamned time one of the inmates feels like being a shitbag and doing something stupid, the guards have to undergo prophylactic antibiotics, JUST IN CASE.

No, it's not a bigger punishment.
Perhaps where YOU live it is, but where I'm at, it certainly is NOT.
 

bellaetoile

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MissChievous
People keep saying, Oh I don't want my tax money to go to criminals to pay for their keep in prisons. Well, let me point out that on average, a death penalty COSTS MORE THAN LIFE IN PRISON!! That's because of the high legal costs associated with death penalties, so you'd actually be consuming more tax dollars for executing someone rather than keeping them for life in jail.

i'm curious if you have any statistics to back this up? or perhaps costs in america are different? because, the fund allocation for lifetime incarceration far exceeds the legal fees put forth by your average trial, the appellate case, and the rest of the proceedings in a capital punishment case, including fees incurred by time spent on death row. i don't have my college textbooks in front of me right now, or i'd give you solid numbers backing up my statements. again, i'm really not trying to be an argumentative bitch, i'm just curious as to where this information is coming from. obviously, the information i have may be skewed, so i'd love to see some more resources.
 

NtheSticks

Active member
Interesting thoughts, all.

Knowing someone who has been, is still in, and will continue to be, in prison for something not so heinious I can say that there are valid arguments that the legal system is not perfect.

Knowing someone who was not convicted for killing someone - the killer's nephew was a state senator - that crime was up close and personal.

Knowing the fact that all life is precious - from the moment of conception to the moment of death - all moments are precious, I am still in favor of the death penalty.

Let me further state my 'why':

When an individual sets out to deprive another individual or group of individuals of their life for personal gain, that person is knowingly choosing to deprive someone of their life. 'it just happened' is bullshit. When a killing is committed in a robbery, rape, etc. the person being killed doesn't have a choice in 'how they go out' and probably has a great deal to live for (the clerk at the convenience store who is shot for the $50 in the register leaving kids at home deserved to die? those kids deserved to loose their parent?)

The killer who deprives the family of their loved one has earned the penalty. 'getting saved' while in jail does not relieve someone of the consequences of their action and if they are truly saved, they KNOW THAT darlin'.

Yes, Texas will carry out the death sentence. Be fully aware of that if you choose to live in Texas, or commit such a crime in Texas.

There are rules for the death penalty to be sought, and it isn't always. But the 16 yr old who was car-jacked, driven to a cemetery, walked to a tree, told to kneel and was shot in the back of the head didn't earn a death penalty. His killers should have.

When the cost of committing a crime is more than someone is willing to pay, that is when the law works.
 

MxAxC-_ATTACK

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Originally Posted by Shimmer

They're guaranteed 3 meals a day.
They get recreation time.
They get free studies.
They get to learn crafts and tools and things of that nature.
They get to go outside and garden and work for the betterment of the community.
They get airconditioning in the summer.
They get heat in the winter.
They never once question where or when they're going to eat.
They get clean clothes.
They never have to work for any of this.

Granted they trade their freedom for that but honestly, is it a bad trade given what their crime was?
Likely not.
They get to surf the internet.
They get to make websites and have fangirls send them letters and pictures.
They get to look at porn.




This has always pist me off..

They shouldnt be allowed to have TVs in thier cells.
THey shouldnt have Internet, cigarettes, or ANYTHING of that nature.
Honestly..
they have it better off than some of the people in the U.S who havent committed any crimes.
 

user79

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http://www.fadp.org/#cost

THE HIGH COST OF THE DEATH PENALTY

According to the Miami Herald, it costs 2 to 6 times as much to kill one person than to incarcerate for life. (3.2 million versus $750,000 in Florida). This cost is weighted UP FRONT - in the initial trial, not in the appeals process as so many believe. Since Florida's death penalty law was re-written in 1972, our state has spent more than $1 billion on its death penalty system, for a return of only 58 executions. That's more than $18,000,000 per execution, and for what return? Is this a good use of your tax dollars? Don't take our word for it. Click here to read a recent in-depth report by the Lakeland Ledger. Click here and also here to see more about FADP's concerns on the cost issue.




THE QUESTION OF INNOCENCE

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that it is constitutional to execute an INNOCENT person - as long as they had a "fair" trial (Herrera v Collins)! Consider that in more than 114 (25 in Florida, so far!) wrongful convictions/death row exonerations since 1972, ALL of these people were at one point considered to have received "fair" trials! Remember; when the wrong person is convicted, the actual killer remains free. Click here to explore the innocence issue.

THE QUESTION OF DETERRENCE

Most death penalty proponents concede that executions do NOT deter others from committing murder. In fact, studies show that the murder rate increases slightly after a highly publicized execution. States without the death penalty consistently have lower murder rates - as do countries throughout the world that have abolished the death penalty. Even with recent highly publicized executions, the latest FBI statistics show violent crime on the rise once again. In fact, many murders are not planned, and those who do plan to murder do not plan to be caught. Click here to see a discussion on the issue of deterrence. Click here to see how the death penalty may actually encourage murder!

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RACISM

Shouldn't the "ultimate penalty" be applied fairly, without regard to race or class? It should, but it isn't. The real racism in the death penalty is in the race of the VICTIM. When the race of the VICTIM is white, the perpetrator of the crime is 4 to 11 times MORE likely to receive a death sentence. In McCleskey v. Kemp, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that racism in the legal system is "inevitable," but declined to do anything about it. Think about that as you contemplate the words carved into the front of the Supreme Court building: "Equal Justice Under Law." Click here for a discussion on racism and the death penalty.

GEOGRAPHIC AND POLITICAL DISPARITIES

What makes the bigger difference: The severity of the crime, or the county in which the crime is committed? A lot depends on how much money the prosecutor and the court system has in the county in which the crime is committed. A lot also depends on the attitude of the local prosecutor. Click here for a recent news article that discusses these issues.
 

user79

Well-known member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shimmer
We can't make jail a 'punishment' place.
We have to 'rehabilitate' them and offer them social services.
We have to offer them studies and appeals (on American's $$ by the way, and some lawyer always wants to take it in the OFF CHANCE that not that the criminal be proven innocent, OH NO, but that the LAWYER can display his wildly amazing knowledge of the legal system and get the criminal who he KNOWS is guilty off on a TECHNICALITY).
We have to be sensitive to their needs.
We have to take care of them.
We have to make sure they live in a nicer home than many of the poorest in our nation live in.

They're guaranteed 3 meals a day.
They get recreation time.
They get free studies.
They get to learn crafts and tools and things of that nature.
They get to go outside and garden and work for the betterment of the community.
They get airconditioning in the summer.
They get heat in the winter.
They never once question where or when they're going to eat.
They get clean clothes.
They never have to work for any of this.

Granted they trade their freedom for that but honestly, is it a bad trade given what their crime was?
Likely not.
They get to surf the internet.
They get to make websites and have fangirls send them letters and pictures.
They get to look at porn.



No, it's not a bigger punishment.
Perhaps where YOU live it is, but where I'm at, it certainly is NOT.



That isn't true though. There's lots of prisons in Southern USA like Louisiana who are introducing boot camp style prisons and chaingangs where the prisoners get virtually no freedoms whatsoever and have to work 8 hours a day cleaning up the community. And also, a lot of American prisoners have prison factories, I just saw a TV documentary about it last night where they manufactured car licence plates. The prisoner was paid 20 cents an hour (really almost nothing!) and the sale of licence plates was reinvested in the prison, so that it would lessen the tax costs for taxpayers.

Also, do you know how common violence and rape is in prisons? It's not like these prisoners are just sitting around all day playing cards and watching tv, hehe. Also, gangs and gang violence as well as racism is a huge problem in US prisons.

Have a look at this extensive article by Human Right Watch concerning prison rape and violence experienced while incarcerated. I think it effectively shows that being in prison is NOT fun, and even if you may be allowed to watch TV once in a while, that is a small consolation if you cannot escape the violence that continues in the prison.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report.html
 

Shimmer

Well-known member
When comparing the differences between punishments in James Byrd's case and Ken Tellery's really contemplate 'equal justice under law'.
Racism is ALWAYS going to be inevitable. Why? Because we are a world comprised of....you guessed it...different races.
In the case of Mr. Byrd's killers, they got the death penalty.
In the case of Mr. Killery's killers, they got life sentences.

Who was the black man here? Mr. Byrd. So, because he was black (and by the way had a questionable past in regard to law and order, lived on public assistance and disability, and as a result of his death had a law named after him), the crime was more heinous than Mr. Tillery's assailants' crime.

Indeed. Racism.
 

Shimmer

Well-known member
Quote:
Originally Posted by MissChievous
That isn't true though. There's lots of prisons in Southern USA like Louisiana who are introducing boot camp style prisons and chaingangs where the prisoners get virtually no freedoms whatsoever and have to work 8 hours a day cleaning up the community. And also, a lot of American prisoners have prison factories, I just saw a TV documentary about it last night where they manufactured car licence plates. The prisoner was paid 20 cents an hour (really almost nothing!) and the sale of licence plates was reinvested in the prison, so that it would lessen the tax costs for taxpayers.

Also, do you know how common violence and rape is in prisons? It's not like these prisoners are just sitting around all day playing cards and watching tv, hehe. Also, gangs and gang violence as well as racism is a huge problem in US prisons.

Have a look at this extensive article by Human Right Watch concerning prison rape and violence experienced while incarcerated. I think it effectively shows that being in prison is NOT fun, and even if you may be allowed to watch TV once in a while, that is a small consolation if you cannot escape the violence that continues in the prison.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/prison/report.html


Those states that are implementing the policies you speak of come under extremely heavy fire from activists all over the nation.
I'm well aware of how common violence and rape is in prisons, and quite frankly, I'm not all that disturbed by the fact that rapists, child molesters, pedophiles, and other criminals of that ilk get some of their own. I'm really really REALLY not troubled by it, as I said before. Add in the fact that as I said before, I am not going to change my mind because I reread a horror story that I liken to PETA's propaganda about how mean and cruel it is to be in prison boo hoo and we just want to serve our time blahblah. I don't really care. I'm sure that hte family of the child that was murdered, or the woman who w as raped, or the whateverreasonyourdumbassisinjail would love to be able to spend time with their loved one, or be able to look at a man and not feel fear, or whatever. We don't all get what we want.

Don't want to be the prison bitch for a bunch of Mexican gang members? ME NEITHER! Know how I avoid that? I don't go out and commit crime. It's a really really simple equation.

edit: I don't wear fur, I don't like wearing fur, and I don't consider the fur trade ethical, but I don't agree with PETA's practices and policies either.
 

Chic 2k6

Well-known member
I based this topic sort of on the Green Mile film, like the big chap John, he was wrongfully executed for something that he didnt do, and the police cops knew that too.

My father and grandfather wants to bring back death sentences thinking it would stop the murders so bad but i dont think it would make a dent, because IMO does executions involve an easy way out for the criminals? but i think prisoners get it easy here. i see cases in the news of innocent childeren that had been murdered and yet their killer/s get a measly sentences between 10 months to 5 years at the most and how can that make up for the loss of a human life or their families grievance?
 

Shimmer

Well-known member
Also, something to keep in mind, the death penaltyis not handed down lightly.
Jurors don't sit around and go..."CALL IT IN THE AIR!!" *flip coin* "HEADS! LETS FRY THAT SUMBITCH UP!"

It's a serious responsibility and not one that is shouldered without consideration. When a jury deliberates the death penalty, it is exactly that, deliberation.
 

Hawkeye

Well-known member
Mischief, as much as I want to agree with you I just can't. Because even with this life in prison you have 2 factors that really stand out to me and thats 1) Overcrowding 2) life with no chance of parole. The problem with the later. Time. I can guarentee you someone will come along and start appealing and eventually that guy will get let off the hook or allowed parole.

Someone will say oh he/she has suffered enough and will then be granted perole.

I mean I dunno but thats just me.
 
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