Does this offend you?

[SkylarV217]

I really don't believe the OP intended to cause a heated debate. I think she was kind of annoyed with the comments she was getting about her avatar on You tube and was looking for support from other make up lovers. I don't think she realized that her avatar really could have been offensive. I have noticed she has since changed it and moved on. The thread is no longer really talking just about the picture and its offensive qualities so I understand why she dropped out ... The thread is still relevant she just got an answer. She may still be reading but doesn't have a need to post.

 

[darkishstar]

She is most definitely not a troll. I don't think she intentionally wanted such a heavy discussion to ensue. A troll intentionally causes trouble on a forum, she did not do such a thing.

 

[ratmist]

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa I haven't wandered from the topic. I think several topics are being explored in this thread.

Um, I didn't say you had wandered away from the topic. "Getting back to the topic of this thread" was just a phrase leading my sentence, not a criticism of you or anyone else.
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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa Sad the initial poster hasn't returned. People on other forums would call the OP a "troll" as he/she inflamed people, then disappeared to laugh (?) at the ensuing Chaos.

I would not call Astronaut a troll just because the thread went crazy. She's been on the site for a long time and is a good member of Specktra. It's not her fault so many people got interested and posted. She said all she wanted to say, apparently. I don't see why she'd need to post anything else if she doesn't feel the need.

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa (completely OT) : I'm a complete word geek (although I'm sure I make plenty of errors, myself), but the proper way to say this is "The reason I say this..." "The reason why" is redundant.

I'd be more concerned about the content of someone's post than the grammatical correctness of their phrases. Even though you're absolutely correct, I wouldn't call someone out on his or her grammar unless I had very good reason. I don't believe you had just cause in this case.

Furthermore, there are a lot of people on Specktra whose first language is not English. This is a makeup board's Chatter Board, not a grammar lesson, and comments like this do not encourage the non-English-speaking folk to post.

And to be fair, your grammar is just as informal as mine, full of mistakes that would no doubt cause my old grammar teachers to pitch a fit.

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa Sorry for going off topic. You are obviously intelligent and you write very well. A great many people use this expression. I am such a word geek, I correct even family members; I have corrected bosses, as well as other authority figures. It's an obsession. I am strange in this way. I don't think I mean to embarrass you, so maybe I should take the English teacher/police part out. But maybe not. Somebody said I was "too nice" on here. I don't want people to think that. But no, I don't actually want to hurt you.

Er, whatever.

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa I've hardly met a person who is as intelligent as my grandmother. I would assume she would be aware of this. Please don't be offensive with regard to a 96-yr-old woman? Thank You.

I wasn't trying to be offensive, and if you can point out exactly where I offended you in regards to your grandmother, I'd be very interested to know.

You brought her up, pointed out that she uses the internet and could therefore get offended by something like the image in question, and I naturally wondered if it's possible to ask her what she thinks. It was a genuine question. You've now stated that you know she'd be offended, and I'm not contesting it.

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa "The right not to be offended." I am confused at your words, but I am very tired. However, I do understand your stance. (OT) (again) I hope your reality is a happier reality than the one you are projecting. You are throwing out negativity. I don't mean those words as an insult. In fact, maybe this is a catharsis you and I both need, and if I were to meet you, you would be less argumentative and perhaps we'd be friends. Who knows. I'd hope so. I am, in general, the person I project here. I know I am quite flawed in many ways, but I am who I am, a person. If you and I were to meet, I have a feeling you would be less angry. I probably would be less angry, as well. (OT over, & no offense intended. Please don't take my words as offensive, (and I will work on trying not to be offended by yours.)

You're free to project whatever reality you want on me.

I am who I am, and the person I am online is the person I am in real life. If you want to know the 'tone' of my voice when I'm writing, try 'dispassionate', 'reasoning', 'cynical' or 'skeptical'.

If I get angry, I state that I'm angry. Otherwise, I'd assume I'm not. In general, I assume the same of anyone else, unless they start using all-caps or whatever.
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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa I hope you enjoy your Day. Cheryl Faith

Ta.

 

[ratmist]

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa Actually, I am writing my Doctoral thesis. I may not be the only person to post (or to lurk) who is doing academic research right here. My field is Cultural Anthropology. Neither you nor I need cite *proof* for our personal, *sub*jective statements (nor *can* we, sometimes), but if people choose to support their *objective* arguments with proven research, I see no reason their citations do *not* make their points more valid; every piece of proven research only adds a wider scope to a person's argument.

Funny ol' world, innit. Anthropology was half of my first degree. (Aside: Isn't Specktra wonderful for distracting researchers from doing research? I have spent many happy hours not doing archaeology while perusing this site.)

Anyway, Misschievious clearly meant that no one is writing a thesis on this message board, not that no one using this message board is coincidentally writing a thesis. In other words, the context of this website is informal, not formal. No one should have to feel the need to cite anything if they don't want to, though it often helps strengthen arguments and thus is generally a good thing.

Asking everyone to cite is over the line, and that's what the original objection was about.

 

[lizardprincesa]

Um, I didn't say you had wandered away from the topic. "Getting back to the topic of this thread" was just a phrase leading my sentence, not a criticism of you or anyone else.
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Ok.

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I would not call Astronaut a troll just because the thread went crazy.

I never actually "called" her a troll. I was pointing out that her actions could make a person think so...

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She's been on the site for a long time and is a good member of Specktra. It's not her fault so many people got interested and posted. She said all she wanted to say, apparently. I don't see why she'd need to post anything else if she doesn't feel the need.

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I'd be more concerned about the content of someone's post than the grammatical correctness of their phrases. Even though you're absolutely correct, I wouldn't call someone out on his or her grammar unless I had very good reason. I don't believe you had just cause in this case.

You are absolutely right. I agree with you 100%. I felt extremely hurt because of your words regarding my grandmother.
However, correcting your *syntax,* (not your grammar) was clearly out of line. Here is a place of informality. But you are right, I acted inappropriately in correcting you.
I apologize.

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Furthermore, there are a lot of people on Specktra whose first language is not English. This is a makeup board's Chatter Board, not a grammar lesson, and comments like this do not encourage the non-English-speaking folk to post.

I've spent 15 years working with people for whom English is not a first (sometimes not even a second) language. You are absolutely correct.

I truly hope people for whom English is not a first language will never worry about their grammar, their syntax, or anything along these lines. (awkward sentence.) (I've never corrected students with a red pen, btw.)

I hope people continue to post here in any language, & if they post in English, that they do not worry about anything-
context is by far, the most important aspect of someone's writing.

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And to be fair, your grammar is just as informal as mine, full of mistakes that would no doubt cause my old grammar teachers to pitch a fit.

You're right! I thought you could see I was just ("just" is an informal & over-used word) "looking for something," as I felt hurt.

(OT) :
In actuality, I hate grammar; I do love writing, though. I especially love *active writing,* which uses no extraneous words...
The grammar obsession began when I immersed myself in learning Spanish.
Every Night, I'd read all the forms of one new verb (16, I believe) right before going to sleep. I became aware of grammar in English by learning Spanish.

Really, I hate grammar! Most articles are perfectly understandable with minor grammatical errors. Syntactical errors weaken writing which might otherwise be strong and extremely effective. (I have a fossilized block with the words, "effect," and "affect." I can never remember which to use.)

Sometimes, British words or phrases pop out when I write, as my husband is British, and the dialect he speaks is not BBC. I also come out with phrases from rural Mexico at times, from working with Mexican people for 8 years, and from traveling around central Mexico several times, researching.

You are absolutely correct. My writing on here *is* informal, like yours, and I should *not* have criticized your *syntax*. Your points are valid. (But you already know that.)


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I wasn't trying to be offensive, and if you can point out exactly where I offended you in regards to your grandmother, I'd be very interested to know.

Let's not continue. You weren't trying to be offensive. Ok.

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You brought her up, pointed out that she uses the internet and could therefore get offended by something like the image in question, and I naturally wondered if it's possible to ask her what she thinks. It was a genuine question. You've now stated that you know she'd be offended, and I'm not contesting it.

This is exactly what happened.


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You're free to project whatever reality you want on me.

Thank You. I didn't do that, exactly nor could I. I was conjecturing, thinking
you are probably not so angry in person.

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I am who I am, and the person I am online is the person I am in real life.

Ok. I'd still like to imagine you are less angry in person. I want to see the best in people, a quality which has hurt me a few times in Life,
but... oh well.

In *no* way am I trying to say I think I am better than anyone. I would never think such a thing. Never. In fact, I can be horribly self-deprecating.

"Angry" doesn't make a person "bad," either. (But I feel sad when I see so much anger.)

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If you want to know the 'tone' of my voice when I'm writing, try 'dispassionate', 'reasoning', 'cynical' or 'skeptical'.

Yes. I see it.


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If I get angry, I state that I'm angry. Otherwise, I'd assume I'm not. In general, I assume the same of anyone else, unless they start using all-caps or whatever.

You happen to be talented at expressing your anger without stating you are angry.

(I'm not laughing at you.)

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Ta.

In the area of the West Midlands which was my home for 4 years, everyone said "Tara, " or "tara a bit," for "Good Bye" "Take Care."
Cool how you use the word "Ta." I'm still unsure if you mean "bye," or
"touche."
(I would love to know...seriously. I am so obsessive.)

You are in London, I think.. (?) Can you believe we never went to London throughout the entire 4 years I lived there?

I hope your Day/Night is beautiful & that you feel happy.
Sparkles surround you. Yes, I sound insane. I know! But
look for the sparklies!

CheryllFaith (I just spelled my name wrong!

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[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by ratmist Funny ol' world, innit. Anthropology was half of my first degree. (Aside: Isn't Specktra wonderful for distracting researchers from doing research? I have spent many happy hours not doing archaeology while perusing this site.)

Yes. Same here. (informal writing on my part here)

CherylFaith

 

[ratmist]

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa In the area of the West Midlands which was my home for 4 years, everyone said "Tara, " or "tara a bit," for "Good Bye" "Take Care." Cool how you use the word "Ta." I'm still unsure if you mean "bye," or "touche." (I would love to know...seriously. I am so obsessive.) You are in London, I think.. (?) Can you believe we never went to London throughout the entire 4 years I lived there? I hope your Day/Night is beautiful & that you feel happy. Sparkles surround you. Yes, I sound insane. I know! But look for the sparklies! CheryllFaith (I just spelled my name wrong! ​

Well, since ya asked

I lived in London for years, but I'm not British. 'Ta' just means "Thank you". I've gotten so used to using it I forget that it's not commonly used outside of Britain.

 

[browneyedbaby]

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[missworld]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Actually, she's a fairly established member on this site, so I would venture a guess she's not a 'troll' intentionally.

I should have checked her profile.

My apologies for inferring she was a troll on this forum.

My opinion remains the same as to her post and her actions regardless of her status here or anywhere else.


missworld

 

[Moxy]

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Originally Posted by ratmist Well, since ya asked I lived in London for years, but I'm not British. 'Ta' just means "Thank you". I've gotten so used to using it I forget that it's not commonly used outside of Britain.

Heehee my boyfriend is British and his "TA" is driving me crazy

 

[SparklingWaves]

rbella, I just wanted to acknowledge your comment about the company.

I took that factor into consideration in addition to numerous other ones in making my final opinion.

 

[Moppit]

I am not personally offended BUT since Hitler was a 'monster' you have to expect untoward comments. I think a picture of him whether satirical or not is in poor taste considering what he did.

 

[macslut]

I am not so much offended as I think the pictures are tacky. It is right up there with people who dress up like Hitler for Halloween.

 

[Repunzel]

i think its harmless and funny

 

[stargirl01]

It's ok with me but I know tons of people would find this highly offensive!
It's not like your doing this to support him or anything as he's has a bit of a makeover in these pics

I'd probs be a bit more careful with this but I suppose you have all the right to do it so its fine with me.....I think lol

 

[Lauren1981]

i don't know if i'm necessarily offended. i think though that you had to know some ppl would have some sh*t to say about it when it's being used as an avatar just because he was a horrible person and even though it's him with makeup on, ppl don't really know YOUR stand on it. like, i can't stand bush but even if i found some horrible degrading pics of him i still wouldn't put him on my page. but to each is own. that's my opinion.
i mean,it's really nobody's business what your views are, but being a MEMBER of a site, i just think you gotta think about things like that sometimes. i know i don't like hitler. i didn't like who he was, what he stood for, what he did, his hatred of anything non-nazi, etc....
whether you knew it would cause a stir or not, even those that are offended?? it's not like they have to look at your page all the time or something. i will say this tho, i'm glad you didn't use it as your avatar on here. lol!
i just think sometimes you have to be careful with things like that. that's all.
but bottom line, it's still your page to do what you want on it so while i don't like the pic (not offended, just seriously don't like it), it still doesn't condone any nasty messages you get.
if the messages are bad then i would suggest taking it down. if it's something you can just brush off your shoulder then do what you do

 

[BloodMittens]

Surprisingly... I find that hilarious. I'm not sure why... it's kind of the like the movie V for Vendetta. When Mr. Earl (I think that's his name) has a picture of the Prime Minister from the play God Save The Queen.

My grandmother was a prisoner in a concentration camp during that time. I can see the serious part of it, but I can also see the joke in it. Some people just have to look past the fact that it is Hitler. I know some people can't, and they are allowed to voice their opinions, but cursing you out for it is just too serious for me.