Gardasil vaccine.....yes or no???

user46

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I have taken the gardasil shot, i'm about to take my last one in March. It is the most painful shot i've ever taken. When it's done, your arm is sore for DAYS. I wish i had taken it sooner though, because i recently had a pap and it came back abnormal, also because of hpv. I had a biospy (also EXTREMELY painful for me), and they said the results were negative and i had no dysplasia. But in March i have to go back and have another pap done, just to be sure. It's definately taken a toll on my relationship, and on my body. The stuff women go through, huh?
 

duckduck

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I have taken the gardasil shot, i'm about to take my last one in March. It is the most painful shot i've ever taken. When it's done, your arm is sore for DAYS. I wish i had taken it sooner though, because i recently had a pap and it came back abnormal, also because of hpv. I had a biospy (also EXTREMELY painful for me), and they said the results were negative and i had no dysplasia. But in March i have to go back and have another pap done, just to be sure. It's definately taken a toll on my relationship, and on my body. The stuff women go through, huh?

That sucks
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I hope for your sake it never advances. On the bright side, while being a woman kinda sucks now, after the men hit 55, they have to do the whole prostate thing
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user46

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That sucks
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I hope for your sake it never advances. On the bright side, while being a woman kinda sucks now, after the men hit 55, they have to do the whole prostate thing
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Thanks! I'm only 19 so all this stuff is like weird. I never thought i'd face something so potentially serious so soon.
 

duckduck

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Originally Posted by MACpro__*
Thanks! I'm only 19 so all this stuff is like weird. I never thought i'd face something so potentially serious so soon.

God, I know just how you feel. I never told any of my friends what was going on either - HPV wasn't as well known about 5 years ago, and I was terrified they would think I was "dirty" or something. It's damn scary to be in such a situation so young, and weird to realize how much some decisions can change the course of your life. I dunno if the HPV vaccine should be required per say, but I hope that it (and abundant, correct information regarding it) is soon free and available to anyone who wants it.
 

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HPV Vaccine Questions and Answers
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In June 2006, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) voted to recommend the first vaccine developed to prevent cervical cancer and other diseases in females caused by certain types of genital human papillomavirus (HPV). The vaccine, Gardasil, protects against four HPV types, which together cause 70% of cervical cancers and 90% of genital warts.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recently licensed this vaccine for use in girls/women, ages 9-26 years. The vaccine is given through a series of three shots over a six-month period.


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The HPV vaccine is recommended for 11-12 year-old girls, and can be given to girls as young as 9. The vaccine is also recommended for 13-26 year-old girls/women who have not yet received or completed the vaccine series.
These recommendations have been proposed by the ACIP—a national group of experts that advises the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on vaccine issues. These recommendations are now being considered by CDC.
Why is the HPV vaccine recommended for such young girls?
Ideally, females should get the vaccine before they are sexually active. This is because the vaccine is most effective in girls/women who have not yet acquired any of the four HPV types covered by the vaccine. Girls/women who have not been infected with any of those four HPV types will get the full benefits of the vaccine.
Will sexually active females benefit from the vaccine?
Females who are sexually active may also benefit from the vaccine. But they may get less benefit from the vaccine since they may have already acquired one or more HPV type(s) covered by the vaccine. Few young women are infected with all four of these HPV types. So they would still get protection from those types they have not acquired. Currently, there is no test available to tell if a girl/woman has had any or all of these four HPV types.
Why is the HPV vaccine only recommended for girls/women ages 9 to 26?
The vaccine has been widely tested in 9-to-26 year-old girls/women. But research on the vaccine’s safety and efficacy has only recently begun with women older than 26 years of age. The FDA will consider licensing the vaccine for these women when there is research to show that it is safe and effective for them.
What about vaccinating boys?
We do not yet know if the vaccine is effective in boys or men. It is possible that vaccinating males will have health benefits for them by preventing genital warts and rare cancers, such as penile and anal cancer. It is also possible that vaccinating boys/men will have indirect health benefits for girls/women. Studies are now being done to find out if the vaccine works to prevent HPV infection and disease in males. When more information is available, this vaccine may be licensed and recommended for boys/men as well.
Should pregnant women get the vaccine?
The vaccine is not recommended for pregnant women. There has been limited research looking at vaccine safety for pregnant women and their unborn babies. So far, studies suggest that the vaccine has not caused health problems during pregnancy, nor has it caused health problems for the infant-- but more research is still needed. For now, pregnant women should complete their pregnancy before getting the vaccine. If a woman finds out she is pregnant after she has started getting the vaccine series, she should complete her pregnancy before finishing the three-dose series.
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Studies have found the vaccine to be almost 100% effective in preventing diseases caused by the four HPV types covered by the vaccine– including precancers of the cervix, vulva and vagina, and genital warts. The vaccine has mainly been studied in young women who had not been exposed to any of the four HPV types in the vaccine.
The vaccine was less effective in young women who had already been exposed to one of the HPV types covered by the vaccine.
This vaccine does not treat existing HPV infections, genital warts, precancers or cancers.
How long does vaccine protection last? Will a booster shot be needed?
The length of vaccine protection (immunity) is usually not known when a vaccine is first introduced. So far, studies have followed women for five years and found that women are still protected. More research is being done to find out how long protection will last, and if a booster vaccine is needed years later.
What does the vaccine not protect against?
Because the vaccine does not protect against all types of HPV, it will not prevent all cases of cervical cancer or genital warts. About 30% of cervical cancers will not be prevented by the vaccine, so it will be important for women to continue getting screened for cervical cancer (regular Pap tests). Also, the vaccine does not prevent about 10% of genital warts—nor will it prevent other sexually transmitted infections (STIs). So it will still be important for sexually active adults to reduce exposure to HPV and other STIs.

Will girls/women be protected against HPV and related diseases, even if they don’t get all three doses?
It is not yet known how much protection girls/women would get from receiving only one or two doses of the vaccine. For this reason, it is very important that girls/women get all three doses of the vaccine.

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The FDA has licensed the HPV vaccine as safe and effective. This vaccine has been tested in over 11,000 females (ages 9-26 years) around the world. These studies have shown no serious side effects. The most common side effect is soreness at the injection site. CDC, working with the FDA, will continue to monitor the safety of the vaccine after it is in general use.
Does this vaccine contain thimerosal or mercury?
No. There is no thimerosal or mercury in the HPV vaccine. It is made up of proteins from the outer coat of the virus (HPV). There is no infectious material in this vaccine.

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The retail price of the vaccine is $120 per dose ($360 for full series).
Will the HPV vaccine be covered by insurance plans?
While some insurance companies may cover the vaccine, others may not. Most large insurance plans usually cover the costs of recommended vaccines. However, there is often a short lag-time after a vaccine is recommended, before it is available and covered by health plans.
What kind of government programs may be available to cover HPV vaccine?
Federal health programs such as Vaccines for Children (VFC) will cover the HPV vaccine. The VFC program provides free vaccines to children and teens under 19 years of age, who are either uninsured, Medicaid-eligible, American Indian, or Alaska Native. There are over 45,000 sites that provide VFC vaccines, including hospitals, private clinics, and public clinics. The VFC Program also allows children and teens to get VFC vaccines through Federally Qualified Health Centers or Rural Health Centers, if their private health insurance does not cover the vaccine.
Some states also provide free or low-cost vaccines at public health department clinics to people without health insurance coverage for vaccines.
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The HPV vaccine is given through a series of three shots over a 6-month period. The second and third doses should be given 2 and 6 months (respectively) after the first dose.
Will girls/women who have been vaccinated still need cervical cancer screening?
Yes. There are three reasons why women will still need regular cervical cancer screening. First, the vaccine will NOT protect against all types of HPV that cause cervical cancer, so vaccinated women will still be at risk for some cancers. Second, some women may not get all required doses of the vaccine (or they may not get them at the right times), so they may not get the vaccine’s full benefits. Third, women may not get the full benefit of the vaccine if they receive it after they’ve already acquired one of the four HPV types.
Should girls/women be screened before getting vaccinated?
No. Girls/women do not need to get an HPV test or Pap test to find out if they should get the vaccine. An HPV test or a Pap test can tell that a woman may have HPV, but these tests cannot tell the specific HPV type(s) that a woman has. Even girls/women with one HPV type could get protection from the other vaccine HPV types they have not yet acquired.

Will girls be required to get vaccinated before they enter school?
There are no federal laws that require children or adolescents to get vaccinated. All school and daycare entry laws are state laws—so they vary from state to state. To find out what vaccines are needed for children or teens to enter school or daycare in your state, check with your state health department or board of education.
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Genital HPV is a common virus that is passed on through genital contact, most often during vaginal and anal sex. About 40 types of HPV can infect the genital areas of men and women. While most HPV types cause no symptoms and go away on their own, some types can cause cervical cancer in women. These types also have been linked to other less common genital cancers— including cancers of the anus, vagina, and vulva (area around the opening of the vagina). Other types of HPV can cause warts in the genital areas of men and women, called genital warts.
How is HPV related to cervical cancer?
Some types of HPV can infect a woman’s cervix (lower part of the womb) and cause the cells to change. Most of the time, HPV goes away on its own. When HPV is gone, the cervix cells go back to normal. But sometimes, HPV does not go away. Instead, it lingers (persists) and continues to change the cells on a woman’s cervix. These cell changes (or “precancers”) can lead to cancer over time, if they are not treated.
How common is HPV?
At least 50% of sexually active people will get HPV at some time in their lives. Every year in the United States (U.S.), about 6.2 million people get HPV. HPV is most common in young women and men who are in their late teens and early 20s.
Anyone who has ever had genital contact with another person can get HPV. Both men and women can get it – and pass it on to their sex partners- without even realizing it.
How common is cervical cancer in the U.S.? How many women die from it?
The American Cancer Society estimates that in 2006, over 9,700 women will be diagnosed with cervical cancer and 3,700 women will die from this cancer in the U.S.
How common are Genital Warts?
About 1% of sexually active adults in the U.S. (about 1 million people) have visible genital warts at any point in time.
Is HPV the same thing as HIV or Herpes?
HPV is NOT the same as HIV or Herpes (Herpes simplex virus or HSV). While these are all viruses that can be sexually transmitted— HIV and HSV do not cause the same symptoms or health problems as HPV.
Can HPV and its associated diseases be treated?
There is no treatment for HPV. But there are treatments for the health problems that HPV can cause, such as genital warts, cervical cell changes, and cancers of the cervix, vulva, vagina and anus.
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Another HPV vaccine is in the final stages of clinical testing, but it is not yet licensed. This vaccine would protect against the two types of HPV that cause most (70%) cervical cancers.
Are there other ways to prevent cervical cancer?
Regular Pap tests and follow-up can prevent most, but not all, cases of cervical cancer. Pap tests can detect cell changes in the cervix before they turn into cancer. Pap tests can also detect most, but not all, cervical cancers at an early, curable stage. Most women diagnosed with cervical cancer in the U.S. have either never had a Pap test, or have not had a Pap test in the last 5 years.
There is also an HPV DNA test available for use with the Pap test, as part of cervical cancer screening. This test is used for women over 30 or for women who get an unclear (borderline) Pap test result. While this test can tell if a woman has HPV on her cervix, it cannot tell which types of HPV she has.
Are there other ways to prevent HPV?
The only sure way to prevent HPV is to abstain from all sexual activity. Sexually active adults can reduce their risk by being in a mutually faithful relationship with someone who has had no other or few sex partners, or by limiting their number of sex partners. But even persons with only one lifetime sex partner can get HPV, if their partner has had previous partners.
It is not known how much protection condoms provide against HPV, since areas that are not covered by a condom can be exposed to the virus. However, condoms may reduce the risk of genital warts and cervical cancer. They can also reduce the risk of HIV and some other STIs, when used all the time and the right way.
Sources
American Cancer Society. Detailed Guide: Cervical Cancer. What are the Key Statistics about Cervical Cancer? Last updated October 31, 2005.
Food and Drug Administration (FDA). FDA News: FDA Licenses New Vaccine for Prevention of Cervical Cancer and Other Diseases in Females Caused by Human Papillomavirus.
Harper DM, Franco EL, Wheeler C, et al; HPV Vaccine Study Group. Sustained efficacy up to 4.5 years of a bivalent L1 virus-like particle vaccine against human papillomavirus types 16 and 18: follow-up from a randomised controlled trial. Lancet. 2006; 367(9518): 1247-1255.
Ho GY, Bierman R, Beardsley L, et al. Natural history of cervicovaginal papillomavirus infection as measured by repeated DNA testing in adolescent and young women. N Engl J Med. 1998; 338(7):423-428.
Koutsky LA. Epidemiology of genital human papillomavirus infection. Am J Med. 1997; 102(5A):3-8.
Mao C, Koutsky LA, Ault KA, et al. Efficacy of human papillomavirus-16 vaccine to prevent cervical intraepithelial neoplasia: a randomized controlled trial. Obstet Gynecol. 2006; 107(1):18-27.
National Institutes of Health (NIH). NIH Consensus Statement: Cervical Cancer. 1996; 14:1-38.
Villa LL, Costa RLR, Petta CA, et al. Prophylactic quadrivalent human papillomavirus (types 6, 11, 16, and 18) L1 virus-like particle vaccine in young women: a randomised double-blind placebo-controlled multicentre phase II efficacy trial. The Lancet Oncology, 2005; 6(5): 271-278.
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user79

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I think I am too old for it and have been sexually active for over 10 years so I don't think it would be efficient for me, but if I was younger or had a young daughter, I would def do it.
 

Obreathemykiss

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
I think you meant 'good than harm'.


OOPS! I did! I think the vaccination is a great thing! Thanks...*fixing my post*
 

Sushi.

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I just got this shot the other day, and i honestly did not feel the needle go into my arm, but when the started pumping the stuff in, it HURT ALOT! my doctor told me i had to get it, she said it fights against cervical cancer.
 

HOTasFCUK

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Aggghhhh i'm still debating this! I have an appointment on Tuesday to do pap test to make sure i've never had HPV so i can get the needle!
 

NutMeg

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Personally, I'm not comfortable getting it until there's been more long term studies done. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea, in fact I think a vaccine like this is a fantastic breakthrough. However, being that I am in a monogamous relationship and get STI tests and pap smears once a year, I think that I am being pretty safe about my health. I do want to read more of the research that's already out there though. I think I'll go over one of the links Kuippo has posted.
 

Paramnesia

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I've had the first two shots and haven't had a problem, it really is up to you whether you want to risk future complications (if there is any). The shot here is for free so I felt I should have it.
 

Kuuipo

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Fainting can happen if you inhale a ciggerette too deeply as well. Fainting after a shot doesn't commonly occur - some people are afraid of needles. I had a big ol' policeman faint on me when I gave him a flu shot. It wasn't from the flu shot itself, it was his reaction-his wife said "aw he always does that". It's not just from fear, people get syncopal from all sorts of causes.
 

christineeee_

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what a coincidence...i was at a walk-in clinic today to get my presecription for my birth control pills and the doctor asked me if i got my pap yet and i haven't so she told me i should get it soon and then she told me to ask my family doctor about gardasil and how it protects against cervical cancer...the thing is i don't go to my family doctor. i usually just go to walk-in clinics and i dunno if i can get my shots at a walk-in ..
 

alehoney

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I've done HPV research (most of my undergrad/grad/med was spent doing something on HPV or HPV vaccine) and now research here at Hopkins. Even if the vaccination does cause a little pain, isn't it worth the protection from lifelong genital warts and painful deadly cervical cancer? I urge you to look at some pictures of HPV related genital warts online, and to check on the effects of cervical cancer that can lead to death. Everyone (well most people) has sex, so lets protect ourselves. The vaccine prevents against 4 strains of HPV (although there are hundreds) but these 4 strains together are responsible for causing 90% of genital warts (subtypes 6 and 11) and 70% (subtypes 16 and 18) of cervical cancer, not a perfect vaccine, but definitely worth getting. Let me remind you that cervical cancer is one of the leading causes of death (especially cancer death) in women worldwide.

I do not claim to be an expert but i certainly know alot about it so if anyone has any questions about this PM me
 

yur_babeydoll

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I haven't gotten it yet. But, a little less then a year ago I had an abnormal pap where the doctor told me not to worry but there could definitely be a chance of precancerous cells (scary considering I'm 17). Anyway, I went to a specialist and he couldn't find anything abnormal, and I'm going back for another pap at the end of this month. But, both him and my regular GP advised me to get the vaccine even though it may not be effective for me now. I'm over the age that it's free up here in Canada and it would now cost me 400$ so I'm not sure if I'll get it. The fact there haven't been long-term studies does worry me a bit also. I just don't know how much I trust what they say, for anyone who saw my post and opinions on the artificial sweeteners they tell us are safe, you'll understand lol.
 

shadowaddict

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My daughter has now had all three shots. She didn't have any side effects other than a little soreness at the injection area for a couple of days. She said the shot hurt less than a flu shot. She is 19 now and a freshman in college and 18 when she got the shots. I would have done it sooner had I known about it. I think it's great there is something to protect you from from such serious problems. Her doctor highly recommended it and I have sent info to my brother for my nieces in case their doctor doesn't talk to them about it. Check with your insurance as I've heard some will not pay for it, which I think is stupid not to pay for preventive care. Ours did cover it, but I was willing to pay out of pocket for the protection. Just look at all those scare articles just like when Prozac came out and they blamed a few suicides on it. It is for depression and sometimes depressed people commit suicide.
 

pumpkincat210

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My daughter has now had all three shots. She didn't have any side effects other than a little soreness at the injection area for a couple of days. She said the shot hurt less than a flu shot. She is 19 now and a freshman in college and 18 when she got the shots. I would have done it sooner had I known about it. I think it's great there is something to protect you from from such serious problems. Her doctor highly recommended it and I have sent info to my brother for my nieces in case their doctor doesn't talk to them about it. Check with your insurance as I've heard some will not pay for it, which I think is stupid not to pay for preventive care. Ours did cover it, but I was willing to pay out of pocket for the protection. Just look at all those scare articles just like when Prozac came out and they blamed a few suicides on it. It is for depression and sometimes depressed people commit suicide.

I guess I'll let everyone else be guinea pigs for awhile before i commit my daughters to the vaccine. It sounds like a miracle drug, but i'm afraid in a couple of years they'll come out and say it may cause a horrible infliction. Of course any doctor is going to tell you the vaccine is a great thing, they seem to assume that all girls sleep around and they push medicines for pharmaceutical companies. I'm also afraid young girls will think this is their free ticket to unprotected sex and risky behaviors. If they are so adamant about vaccinating they should also vaccinate men because it has been shown effective, Men can carry it, it's silly to put all the responsibility on the girls.
I didn't sleep around when I was younger, i get checkups at the doctor regularly and my husband doesn't have the virus so i'm in the clear.
As for your comment on anti depressants.. alot of people's symptoms get worse when they are on them, it is a very real problem and more prevalent in teens and young adults. They have black box warnings about it and are one step away from being illegal. Nobody seemed to notice these side effects for years after the drugs were on the market and now they are getting sued.
 

duckduck

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Let me start by saying that whether or not you get your daughters vaccinated is completely your and your family's decision. I would never want that decision to be made on misinformation, however, so here are some responses to what you said.

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Originally Posted by pumpkincat210
Of course any doctor is going to tell you the vaccine is a great thing, they seem to assume that all girls sleep around and they push medicines for pharmaceutical companies.

Well, to clarify, there is no good way to know or predict how many of what kind of sexual partners any given girl will have. You can't know by looking at her, and you can ask, but I've known plenty of girls who would swear up and down to their parents, doctors, priests, etc. that they were not sexually active when they most certainly were from ages as young as 13 or 14.
Also, sex is not the only way to get HPV. Any genital contact can spread it with neither person knowing - condoms definitely help but they do not fully prevent the spread of HPV.
Finally, since at least 50%-75% of the US population currently has, or has carried a strain of HPV, a girl can wait until marriage to have any kind of sexual contact, and still end up getting it. Granted, it is less likely, but still entirely possible.

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I'm also afraid young girls will think this is their free ticket to unprotected sex and risky behaviors.

I would try to think about this from your own standpoint - if you were somehow magically guaranteed to not get pregnant or contract an STD, would you just go around having sex with any & every person? No, you would want to stay monogamous with your husband/boyfriend/significant other. The same applies to most teens - they don't go running off to do the whole football team because it is suddenly "safe". If they were gonna do it, they would pretty much do it either way - safety is really not as big a deterrent as we would like to think.
On an interesting side note, it has been found that children & teens taught "abstinence only" sexual education are actually more likely to have sex with more partners at an earlier age. They are also more likely to become pregnant or contract a sexually transmitted disease. Educating children and teens honestly and openly about sex and its positives and negatives helps them to be better able to make safe, smart choices. Providing them with easy access to to the things they need to implement those safer choices (condoms, birth controls, and yes, even the vaccination) is in my opinion, even better.

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Originally Posted by pumpkincat210
If they are so adamant about vaccinating they should also vaccinate men because it has been shown effective, Men can carry it, it's silly to put all the responsibility on the girls.

The vaccination was first tested and approved by the FDA for women since for them, HPV can lead to cancer. The vaccination has not yet been tested as extensively on men - I believe we are still waiting on the the long-term results.

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Originally Posted by pumpkincat210
I didn't sleep around when I was younger, i get checkups at the doctor regularly and my husband doesn't have the virus so i'm in the clear.

Interestingly, HPV testing is not included in the standard STD panel. So, if you have been tested for STD's, that is wonderful, but that does not mean you have been tested for HPV. On top of that, there is no FDA approved test for HPV for men, so it is extremely unlikely that your husband could have been tested for it.
Also, there are over 100 strains of HPV, only 13 of which can be tested for. So, even if you do go get an HPV test, you have absolutely no way of knowing if you carry one of the 87+ strains that cannot be tested for. This means that there is simply no way you can know if you are truly "in the clear" with regards to HPV.
On the bright side, the 13 strains of HPV that you can be tested for are generally the higher-risk strains, and I highly recommend considering it or talking to your doctor about it if you haven't already.

HPV should not be thought of like herpes or gonorrhea where one simple test can determine if you have it. There are often no physical symptoms, and YOU SIMPLY CANNOT KNOW that you do not have HPV. You are not dirty or bad if you do have it - if anything, it is more normal to have had HPV that not. HPV does not exclusively come from "sleeping around" or having unprotected sex. It can be spread while wearing a condom, as well as during other sexual acts. The only known way to prevent HPV besides never having any sexual contact with anyone, is the Gardasil vaccination. The vaccination, however, only protects against 4 of the 100+ strains of HPV, but the 4 strains it does protect against are the most dangerous, and are considered to be responsible for 70% of cervical cancers and most genital warts. It is up to you and your family what you choose to do, but I thought it was important you had the facts.
 

Moppit

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Originally Posted by pumpkincat210
I didn't sleep around when I was younger, i get checkups at the doctor regularly and my husband doesn't have the virus so i'm in the clear.

Just because you didn't sleep around doesn't mean you don't have HPV. You can get the virus the first time you have intercourse or genital contact with someone infected and that first time might have been your only partner and it could take many years to surface. Have you been tested for HPV? Does 'checkups at the Dr. regularly' mean you get Pap tests? The only way to test for HPV is a DNA typing.

Your 'sleeping around' comment is very ignorant and hurtful. Do some HPV research because you are misinformed about some of the facts.
 
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