Identifying fake MAC Pigments ***Guide with photos***

akw

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That quote states that MAC will NOT send YOU 2 samples, because "you want to see if what you bought on Ebay was fake" (that buyer - red is not "that buyer" as she did not buy from me and I believe her post was after mine or at least I didn't see it until after I posted so I was talking about YOU - and I can't prove what came in that package, plus, you told Paypal that YOU GOT THE SAMPLES FROM MAC, NOT THAT YOU SAW SOMEONE ELSE'S PHOTO'S ON THIS FORUM)!
Secondly, in her post regarding the samples, she stated that she did just ask for them (not ordered at that time - at least this is what I remembered and I'm not going to go back and look right now). TALK ABOUT THINKING BEFORE YOU TALK AND BEFORE YOU ACCUSE AN HONEST PERSON OF SOMETHING - BOY OH BOY HOW EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEED THAT ADVICE!!! EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING!
I AM A VALUED MEMBER OF EBAY AND HAVE BEEN FOR YEARS! NOW, here is my post that I was typing before I even saw your new post. If I were to respond to every slanderous comment made about me in the last week or so, I'd be at this for A WEEK, so I am not going to do it!

In response to the last comment by red which includes my response to comments made by others:
What, the Cornflower isn't fake now??? First it was too blue according to some, then it was too violet, now it's.......okay? The box of Teal (in this pix) does not look like the one I sent or the one in the auction (and the FIRST I heard about these "fakes" was LONG after that auction ended so you can't say that I put the jar on the box for the picture, to hide the packaging - I just make sure that the bottom color label on the jar gets shown, as well as the one on the top of the box since this is all that was ever needed)!

The lighting in the auction photo is VERY BRIGHT, even though it's not apparent since it's a light box (and it absorbs the extra light) but it has a very large bright light directly over it, and one BRIGHT HALOGEN light on each side, so even with this much light, it still looks darker than the one shown in the pictures here. As I have told this buyer, I did find the receipts, after looking through about 150 of them!

The reason I am so upset, is the being ATTACKED by certain members of this forum who know nothing about me, the sale that took place, etc. It's not just one item in question either! Suddenly, it is being printed, that I have been selling fakes all along - and it's being stated in MANY DIFFERENT THREADS (I honestly believe that SOME of these are sellers themselves who don't like competition)! This is one complaint out of 17,000 FB over approx. 6 years (and half don't even leave FB so I've probably sold double this amount) - and these false statements ACTUALLY CAUSE OTHER FRAUDULENT COMPLAINTS BY PEOPLE WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME (or others I see slandered because people are TOO QUICK TO JUMP IN AND MAKE FALSE STATEMENTS WITHOUT ANY FACTS AT ALL) OR WHO HAVE EVER BOUGHT FROM ME!! They just get caught up in it.

I DO NOT believe I shipped that Teal pigment pictured HERE (and I don't see anything wrong with the Cornflower at all). Unless my MAC store is now accepting fake pigments as returns and reselling them (which I doubt) and if they have been accepting them for almost 1 year (I haven't bought any common colors in quite some time - only limited edition colors), then there is NO way it's fake (even though this isn't mine).

Again, I DID find some boxes that look like those now stated to be fake, from at least 3-6 years ago in my "empties" bag with the jars. So how do you explain that? I doubt fakes would be around that long, without being noticed. The comment I saw about having never seen a box like this from their pigments even several years ago, is very odd because how could you remember? I wouldn't know myself if I hadn't kept the empty jars in the boxes (most of those are from when I used to sell samples - hundreds every week - otherwise I sure wouldn't have my boxes after all this time and I wouldn't be able to remember what the boxes looked like)! Guess it's a good thing that I haven't recycled them yet or I might believe they were fake too.

Maybe some of the colors on the "list" are fake, but I just haven't personally found one yet, that I can say for SURE is. This is the biggest reason I haven't updated my guide (and NO time). Panda made the comment TOO, that she has emailed me many times about these fakes and I refuse to update the guide - so this meant that I WAS selling fakes and knew it?? I sure don't remember any emails about this EVER. I do get MANY EVERY DAY ABOUT THE BRUSHES or a few other items, and MAYBE there was one about pigments but if there was, it must not have been anything new AND I AM SURE I WOULD REMEMBER IF I HAD RECEIVED SEVERAL EMAILS ABOUT THEM!

Besides, I can't print information in my guide just because one person, tells me they "think" there are new fakes out there, UNLESS I KNOW IT'S TRUE and have personally proven it (or through MAC). That would be very irresponsible of me (just like it is to slander me in public forum, repeatedly without ANY facts). If I am sent more of the colors on the list, I'll check them, but the one's I've checked so far, have not been different and I DID APPLY THEM BOTH TO THE BACK OF MY HAND (Frost, Aire-de-blu, Copperclast, Blue). My Blue's, I have been saving (until maybe 1 month ago). They are A55 with NO code on the back of the box (dot matrix type), and the "fake" was the same - no code on the back of the box but all of the other "fakes" do have it). I found one box that the dot matrix was so faint, I almost didn't see it. I found another with the code on the bottom of the box instead of the back (ALL POSITIVELY AUTHENTIC). Actually, I just now tested them AGAIN and I honestly can not see any difference in the texture, color, SMELL (they all have that smell, even the ones from most recent collections). They all even wiped OFF the same! The Frost was not the older "fake" Frost either. Maybe those other "fake" colors will be different? I am also very surprised at some of the colors listed on the fake list, whether it's pigments or eye shadows (I just saw Daisychain listed and it just came out last month, so how many honest sellers will be accused of selling that fake)!

I WOULD NOT JEOPARDIZE MY REPUTATION (or my new business linked to my Ebay account), by selling fakes and wrote the guides a few years ago, TO HELP BUYERS NOT GET BURNED and I spend ALOT of time, every day looking at auctions or buyers' pictures of brushes, to HELP THEM! I will try to investigate further, WHEN I get time.

Oh, and Diorissima IS trying to get a refund (but my biggest issue is with the HUGE AMOUNT OF SLANDER, attacking (by those who know nothing about this particular case or others they comment on, and misinformation by the certain people). There are several threads with conflicting "advice" when people do ask: i.e. "those are authentic", then the next says, they are fake (and always said with MUCH venom, even when she's wrong).

God forbid that anyone makes an honest mistake, because it will mean they get smeared all over Specktra and those are the people dragging this forum down and giving it a bad name, instead of the good reputation it used to have! Several on here need to grow up because they are dragging Specktra down & ruining the good reputation they used to have (just like they are ruining the reputations of honest sellers that they know nothing about). Do unto others.........
 

panda0410

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BAH!!... this could go on and on....we are getting lost in your posts...

I stand by what I previously said - I did email you regarding the fake lots (rose, vanilla, fairylite, dark soul, melon, cornflower, aire-de-blu) that the sellers d.i.v.a.l.a.g.l.a.m and designercosmetics2007 were selling at that time AND I made specific reference to both of those sellers in the email - in fact I sent you to their auction urls in one of them - did you even look at them? I stated that I thought they were fake and WHY I thought they were fake and asked you if you could just please look at the auctions and see. I also distinctly asked you to visit specktra - to the threads in fact that were discussing those particular fakes, if you had visited here then you would know what was happening, especially as you are a reseller it might have been helpful. I mailed you more than once - and it was through ebay DIRECTLY so unless ebay "lost" them somehow then I imagine you simply overlooked them or werent interested at the time. I mailed YOU because you were once considered the BEST mac seller on ebay - and for the record (to those trolling FB for userIDs), those items I purchased from you were real.

The swatches that are posted here are posted here in earnest. We cant all run out and buy the fakes to prove it - but some of us DO have the fakes either through singular purchases or were sent them for comparison. If you looked at the most recent ones like the fake White in my sig, or the fake Deep Blue Green that halocaustic went to a LOT of time and effort to show, or the Deep Purple that Xqueeze_me posted you will see that none of us are lying - again, we have no reason or need to - some of have already lost our $$. And sellers who sell fakes DESERVE criticism, what do they honestly expect? a positive feedback?? it isnt likely and it certainly isnt deserved. Do unto others indeed.....
 

Shimmer

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As I said before, keep the tone of the thread civil & in accordance with the TOS of the site.
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mimanchi

Active member
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Originally Posted by red
Dear AKW, your pigment Teal ebay listing here was received by me. "

Im not sure if I follow this storyline but from what Red posted above, and I clicked on that link to check out the picture. Im 150% sure the Teal pigment sold in that auction is FAKE. One of the most obvious observations is that the MAC print on the jar was not in the right place, it's supposed to be lower so that when u put it in the box it will be in the middle of the window/hole/empty space on the box. I spotted this in many ebay mac pigments, and I don't get why people still buy them. There's a reason for Mac people to create that window on the box other than to show the colour. And don't even get me started on the colour difference.

Red was too nice to AKW in her post, fake cosmetics sellers (ok without admitting that they sell fake items) should be banned from all the MAC fan sites or ebay for that matter. I was also obsessed with Teal pigment and bought a fake before, although it was a much better fake than this. The colour was very closed to the real one but because Teal pigment is so gorgeous and perfect, u know it immediately if its not the real Teal. At least the seller who sold me that fake Teal was a much nicer person, she offered full refund. I guess she didn't know it was fake either.

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Diorissima

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Shimmer: As I said before, keep the tone of the thread civil & in accordance with the TOS of the site.
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Shimmer I hope I haven't keep a wrong tone, but it's unbelievable what AKW is saying about me and Red..
I want to reply only once again just to let the members know what she's saying about me, and about this story. Then I'll not reply anymore because I'm really stuffed off this thing only for 2 eyeshadows and 40 dollars. This is not worth my time, but if AKW tell I'm a liar... well.. this really get me angry.



Dear AKW:

I have opened a file claim to Paypal because you didn't want your items back nor refund me nor search your invoice to prove your pigments are real.

Then go to your vacation and when you come back, I've never had some news from you.

Now you are writing to Paypal that it's not true I've bought that teal from you!!
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That it's not true my friend Red send me an original mac sample of these pigments (getting with an order of mac products) and also saying it's not true she's moving to Italy and that we will meet.....
I'm really shocked!
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You're also saying I'm doing this to ruined you or other mac sellers...!!!
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This is not the true
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I've written to you first of this, in a very nice way saying that there was this new problem of very good Mac fakes.. you said you haven't the time for this, and I simply reply to you that this was a very BIG problem and it would be conevenience for you to interest yourself in this thing because many memebers and buyers could ruined your reputation thinking you weren't interested because you know you were selling fakes. I've said this FOR YOU because I thought you were a honest seller who didn't know what was happened and also linked all the specktra's page concerning this argument.

You write to paypal that in this email I was threating you as I do with other Mac Ebay sellers (Beverly Belle and kosmetiques_boutiques who refund me as I return their pigments back).
This is not a conspiracy, I've said that in a kind way and I write you AFTER reading this topic on Specktra, in fact you has already got my positive feedback!

This is crazy. And I'm really tired of being treat as a liar from you.
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I've said you could show me your invoice and I'll close my paypal claim, but you're only write and write and write and trying to show me as a crazy girl who wants to have money and good pigments in her hands!! (I've always say I will send them back to you.. however...)

Look at it whichever way you like: I've loose 40$, you've lost your credibility, and you have done all by yourself writing these lies.

You are saying I got that teal from swap and not buy it from you..
This is crazy!!
I'm not interested in this mess anymore.


 

Diorissima

Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by akw
That quote states that MAC will NOT send YOU 2 samples, because "you want to see if what you bought on Ebay was fake" (that buyer - red is not "that buyer" as she did not buy from me and I believe her post was after mine or at least I didn't see it until after I posted so I was talking about YOU - and I can't prove what came in that package, plus, you told Paypal that YOU GOT THE SAMPLES FROM MAC, NOT THAT YOU SAW SOMEONE ELSE'S PHOTO'S ON THIS FORUM)!

I've saw the photo Red send to me about the pigments I bought from you and ask you to send to her (because she come in Italy and so she could send me these items without getting lost). I've also get the same sample she get from Mac, by airmail. She ask for them with an order, do the swatch and then send them to me. So it's true I've got the samples.


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Originally Posted by akw
if I were to respond to every slanderous comment made about me in the last week or so, I'd be at this for A WEEK, so I am not going to do it!

which slanderous comment?
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Originally Posted by akw
I DO NOT believe I shipped that Teal pigment pictured HERE

.... I have bought that from YOU.
This is the truth and strangely enough NOW you're saying that fake teal it's not yours... strangely enough!
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Originally Posted by akw
Oh, and Diorissima IS trying to get a refund (but my biggest issue is with the HUGE AMOUNT OF SLANDER, attacking (by those who know nothing about this particular case or others they comment on, and misinformation by the certain people). There are several threads with conflicting "advice" when people do ask: i.e. "those are authentic", then the next says, they are fake (and always said with MUCH venom, even when she's wrong).

It's OBVIOUS I'm trying to get a refund from you!!!! You won't search your "famous" invoice that prove you've bought your pigments from MAC!!!!!
I make not secret of that!

I've also write that I've got a refund from BB after sending her back 4 pigments, 2 of them bought from her ebay store in these days and other 2 bought a lot of months ago (I ask her first if it could be possible; she agree and that'all).
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wolfsong

Well-known member
If this seller has found the infamous invoice as she claims, why has there not been a photo or scan of it up to quell all these 'slanderous accusations'.

My personal opinion (ie not fact) is that the lady protests too much. It makes me think she doesnt care that they are fakes, or - even worse - already knew. I understand that she is trying to protect her business, but the customers deserve for their seller to be active in matters like this (due to it concerning them buying potentially very harmful items - not least due to possible allergic reactions from ingredients/products they thought were safe for them to use).

An honest, responsible person would have checked out the evidence supporting the 'accusations', and as they show how the ebay bought ones differ quite a lot from all of the MAC bought ones (carrying 'traits' like all counterfeit items do) - a true seller would admit to defeat on this subject. And lets face it, you were just as conned as your buyers were if you had no knowledge of the stock's authenticity - or lack there of. I wouldnt wish being the victim of crime on anyone, and i hope that these wholesalers pay for what they are doing.
You didnt buy direct from MAC, you bought from wholesale - and as MAC always write, you can never guarantee the authenticity of 'MAC' bought items though unofficial channels.

I agree with Diorissima - no one but you can sully your ebay account - people are not gullible, most of us respond to evidence not hearsay; and its unfair to shoot the messenger.

I hope this matter can be resolved maturely. End speech.
 

greeneyes

Member
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Originally Posted by akw
That quote states that MAC will NOT send YOU 2 samples, because "you want to see if what you bought on Ebay was fake" (that buyer - red is not "that buyer" as she did not buy from me and I believe her post was after mine or at least I didn't see it until after I posted so I was talking about YOU - and I can't prove what came in that package, plus, you told Paypal that YOU GOT THE SAMPLES FROM MAC, NOT THAT YOU SAW SOMEONE ELSE'S PHOTO'S ON THIS FORUM)!
Secondly, in her post regarding the samples, she stated that she did just ask for them (not ordered at that time - at least this is what I remembered and I'm not going to go back and look right now). TALK ABOUT THINKING BEFORE YOU TALK AND BEFORE YOU ACCUSE AN HONEST PERSON OF SOMETHING - BOY OH BOY HOW EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEED THAT ADVICE!!! EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING!

I DO NOT believe I shipped that Teal pigment pictured HERE (and I don't see anything wrong with the Cornflower at all). Unless my MAC store is now accepting fake pigments as returns and reselling them (which I doubt) and if they have been accepting them for almost 1 year (I haven't bought any common colors in quite some time - only limited edition colors), then there is NO way it's fake (even though this isn't mine).

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regarding this, it's obvious that Red asked MAC the two sample saying that she wanted to try them and not saying that she wanted to verifing an ebay auction.
Red received your items (you've send them to her address) and looking at them she had some doubts about their authenticity and ask MAC to send her this two sample to make a comparision and be sure, before saying they're fake, that her doubts were true...
You don't believe that the Teal in the photos is yours? that's so absurde.
So for you this means that it was previously planed by them against you.. So they had a false Teal, they purchased another one by you and they told you that yours was the fake one?
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A conspirancy suitable for a movie story
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If you're in the right, why don't you show the invoice?
And if you're in the right, why don't you take the Teal to a MAc store to ask them if it's fake or not? If you bought it from them as you said, they'll sure be helpfull
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MACATTAK

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^^ I know they used to. The ones I have bought recently from Mac or CCO's don't come with that paper anymore, from what I have seen.
 

red

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I can't believe this ebay seller is still going on and on ...
i asked for the samples at the same time i placed an order at the mac pro ny.
it would be absurd to think i would switch pigments etc.
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listen, i've got better things to do with my life. green is not teal ...
 

winterwonder

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Okay, so I don't want to make a whole new thread just for this since I'm pretty sure these are both real but I just HAVE to get a second opinion on this 'cause it's driving me crazy. I received both pigments in a swap on MUA. First I noticed they both had a distinct smell but then I sniffed a bunch of my other pigments directly from MAC and they smelled the same so I guess just never noticed that.
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The RR Blue one I had no doubt when I first got it, but then I swatched it against a sample I had of it and it's way different. But I'm thinking it's the sample that's probably fake and not the FS Pigment. At first I thought maybe the sample was just the Original Blue but it's definitely LESS pigmented not more.

And Night Light just irks me 'cause of the label, but it may be the batch 'cause fonts differ slightly and it's probably just a bit dirty, also because I swear I saw someone's Night Light written all on one line. The box checks out and I think the color is right. I dunno I'm probably reading way too much into both of these but I've always purchased my pigments from MAC and all the fakes that are out there are frightening.

Here's the pictures, TIA!:


From L-R: Naval Blue, FS Blue, Sample Blue, Cornflower (all were put on with the same amount of swipes and pressure and all that)


Do these look okay to you? Ah, well I guess it's better to be overly cautious rather than using them naively, right?
 

MACATTAK

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Night Light is for sure okay. I want to say that your full size jar of Blue is okay too, and that the sample is the fake one. However, I have bought a full-size Blue that had this exact label/batch code, which was fake (box falling apart, scratches on box). Judging from your swatches though, I think they are both authentic
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winterwonder

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Originally Posted by MACATTAK
Night Light is for sure okay. I want to say that your full size jar of Blue is okay too, and that the sample is the fake one. However, I have bought a full-size Blue that had this exact label/batch code, which was fake (box falling apart, scratches on box). Judging from your swatches though, I think they are both authentic
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Thank you!! Yeah, Blue didn't have a box with it so I don't know. =/ The color looks right to me, it's definitely a true blue and it goes on smooth. But then again when I just had the sample it looked right to me too and now that I compared, it looks way too light and at some angles it even has a teal-ish tint to it.
 

MACATTAK

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^^ That's the thing with the fakes..they are getting really good. Unless you have an authentic one to compare it to, or are really good with your pigment colors, you may be unknowingly putting something harmful on your skin.
 

winterwonder

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I know! That's why I normally steer clear of getting them from anywhere besides MAC. I've been dying for some old LE and DC ones that I missed out on the first time around though so I thought I'd give it a try on MUA from trustworthy swappers. The problem with that though is they could have gotten fakes without realizing it. That's why I really want to make sure these are real before I go putting them on my eye.

How was the actual color and texture of your fake blue? If you didn't have that bad box would you have thought the actual product was real comparing it to swatches?
 

MACATTAK

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No, I would have still known it was off without the box. The color was not right. The texture was almost right on, but not the color...it was lighter. Also, from the seller I had purchased from, I had purchased 2 pigments. Aire-de-blu and Blue. The Aire-de-blu was a horrible fake, but the Blue was much better...except for the box and color inconsistency. True, people swapping/selling on other forums may not know much about fakes. Some also might just sell samples so you would never know unless you had that color....I've encountered that too
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winterwonder

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Yeah, I'm really thinking this blue is real and the sample was fake. It's just so right to me, ah I hope it is! Especially in person, it was really hard for me to capture the colors on my camera which is why I included Naval Blue and Cornflower as maybe some sort of reference.

I've heard that once you swatch even the harder to tell pigments with perfect boxes and jars suddenly become distinguishable from the real thing. I just don't trust my judgment right now because I thought the sample I bought a while ago was real and upon closer inspection it's just off.

But I sort of just took it for granted that the sample was real when I got it. I never swatched it in natural light or at all the different angles until today when I was comparing.

Top-Bottom: Sample Blue, FS Blue
 

MACATTAK

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There is a definite color difference. The sample is lighter. My fake Blue was the exact same. I'm sure the full-sized one is authentic
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Thanks for all the pictures too, that really helps
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winterwonder

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Yayy thank you so much, you've been incredibly helpful!!

I was just playing around with them again and I noticed that the sample would get darker but it like flaked off by doing nothing. The texture FELT okay but the color doesn't stay. That's probably a dead giveaway. Man, I'm glad I only used it once, ah!
 
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