Identifying fake MAC Pigments ***Guide with photos***
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panda0410
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Possible but not likely. There is always going to be minor imperfections in batches, but not so obvious as this I would imagine - these swatches in daylight very clearly show the difference in the full size jar which I firmly believe to be a fake - the colour intensity and depth of the MAC sample is superior to the other by a lot!
Originally Posted by red
Ok, I'm done here. Is it possible, for arguments sake, that the difference in the Cornflower is do only because you can't replicate exactly 100% each batch? Just to give the seller the benefit of the doubt? Ok, I just took these pics outside, froze my butt off in the process 
what we won't do for Mac 
the sample is bluer .. this shows clearly. You can't get the photo 100% exact, but I can show that there's a difference. 
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Possible but not likely. There is always going to be minor imperfections in batches, but not so obvious as this I would imagine - these swatches in daylight very clearly show the difference in the full size jar which I firmly believe to be a fake - the colour intensity and depth of the MAC sample is superior to the other by a lot!
red
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quick update. The third ebay seller, the one that sold Diorissima the Tan & Deep Blue Green will give her a full refund including all shipping costs
a small victory for us Specktrettes
diorissima owes me at least 2 cappuccinos
insofar as the teal/cornflower -- this seller will not refund under any circumstances as she claims she gets all her piggies "from Mac". And that (get this) when Mac repromotes a piggy in a new collection, those piggies are different than the original ... is this true? I had heard this on the Dark Soul .. can someone confirm if this is the case.
Not sure if Teal or Cornflower were ever repromoted in any collection.
a small victory for us Specktrettes
diorissima owes me at least 2 cappuccinos
insofar as the teal/cornflower -- this seller will not refund under any circumstances as she claims she gets all her piggies "from Mac". And that (get this) when Mac repromotes a piggy in a new collection, those piggies are different than the original ... is this true? I had heard this on the Dark Soul .. can someone confirm if this is the case.
Not sure if Teal or Cornflower were ever repromoted in any collection.
wolfsong
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I remember hearding that the charm sizes can be a little different to the f/s when they are both LE (eg years apart) and when f/s has been discontinued and the charm comes out later in a collection. I dont think there is that much difference though.
There are some examples of changes in f/s pigments on the precautions page:
MAC Comprehensive Precautions: Swatches
There are some examples of changes in f/s pigments on the precautions page:
MAC Comprehensive Precautions: Swatches
SpringDancer
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Is this a fake?
I purchased this Melon pigment from Strawberry Net, along with Humid eyeshadow.
From the start I suspected the Humid was a fake as it differed from the rest of my MAC eyeshaodws. Yet I have no other pigments I can compare my Melon to. I don't have the box anymore, but I took some pics of the jar. I am going to contact SN about this, so I would appreciate it if anyone can post pics of a genuine melon pigment, and confirm if mine is a fake. Thanks!
I purchased this Melon pigment from Strawberry Net, along with Humid eyeshadow.
From the start I suspected the Humid was a fake as it differed from the rest of my MAC eyeshaodws. Yet I have no other pigments I can compare my Melon to. I don't have the box anymore, but I took some pics of the jar. I am going to contact SN about this, so I would appreciate it if anyone can post pics of a genuine melon pigment, and confirm if mine is a fake. Thanks!
Xqueeze_me
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SpringDancer, your Melon is a fake. :/
I sold my Melon so I don't have one for pics but by looking at the inner plastic lid and label on the bottom of the jar, it looks like its from the fake batch of previous fakes of 8 pigments.
I sold my Melon so I don't have one for pics but by looking at the inner plastic lid and label on the bottom of the jar, it looks like its from the fake batch of previous fakes of 8 pigments.
SpringDancer
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Thank you!
The sad things is, I've contacted SN and they wouldn't admit it's a fake. Maybe they don't know?
The sad things is, I've contacted SN and they wouldn't admit it's a fake. Maybe they don't know?
akw
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First, it's said that the Cornflower doesn't have any violet, then it has "too much"! I could post swatches on my hand too (because I've done it), and make them look different! This is getting really ridiculous! As for the color code stamps on the color labels or even the stamps on the back of the pigment boxes, THEY ARE ALMOST ALL DIFFERENT! I have pulled dozens of these and they are different (and are from MAC!!!!!).
I started writing the guides on fake MAC, approx. 3 years ago and have spent ALOT of my time, checking out auctions for people, checking their actual products, etc. If you think that I would NOW (after 6 years on Ebay), start selling fakes, then DON'T BUY FROM ME! I KNOW WHERE MY MAC COMES FROM AND DO NOT HAVE TIME TO SIT ON THIS FORUM DAY IN AND DAY OUT, SPREADING RUMOURS! There are also those who will buy fakes, then when they can't get their money back from that seller, they will purchase the items again from a seller they KNOW has authentic MAC, and THEN claim they are fakes (so they get the real thing AND get their money back from the seller with the real product). PAYPAL AND EBAY IS AWARE THAT THIS IS OCCURING OFTEN!
As for my PRIVATE EMAIL to that buyer, I did initially put the "new" information on the pigments, on my guide, but removed it after I pulled a ton of pigments from my old jars/boxes (from 3-4 years ago when I used to sell samples) and NEW LIMITED EDITION pigments STILL IN THE CARDBOARD BOXES WHICH IS HOW THEY COME IN SETS OF 3), and these "signs of being fake" ARE ALSO FOUND ON AUTHENTIC MAC PIGMENTS! They could be older jars/boxes or newer limited edition ones (I REALLY THINK THAT THESE ARE OLDER JARS/BOXES). As for the new 169 (L.E.) brush NOT being made in China, it doesn't matter what you say because TWO OF US (and probably more that I don't even know about) have now talked with our MAC managers and one of the releases WAS MADE IN CHINA! They had the brushes left over from the 2 previous collections, so since they were supposed to be the SAME brush, they put them in the same glass jar (they are on display in). Neither of these manager even realized that one of the brushes was made in China, until they pulled several of these brushes out of the jar, and saw that indeed, some of them WERE MADE in China (it is only limited edition and so far, the only one's we have checked are the 169 brush - FULL SIZE, NOT SETS). My manager even called MAC headquarters to make sure he hadn't accidently got some fakes as customer returns!
I was also told that their limited edition items are NOW being made in China. I did not verify if this includes ALL LIMITED EDITION OR JUST A FEW OF THE COLLECTIONS - because I don't have time to spend on this. I have a life! So if some or most (or all) of the limited edition items are now being made in China, then why is it so hard to believe that pigments aren't too??? Look at the FAFI collections. THESE WERE MADE IN CHINA!! NOT THE ACTUAL PRODUCT ITSELF (i.e. lipsticks, lipglass, etc.) BUT THE BOXES, YES!!
Again, on the pigments, I AM 100% POSITIVE THAT THE COLORS THAT I HAVE, ARE AUTHENTIC (I have only bought 2 on Ebay for my own personal use and those did not get resold AND THE COLOR/TEXTURE IS IDENTICAL TO THOSE I GOT FROM MAC). I got some of the so called fake pigments recently, from another seller who has had headaches due to the information on this forum (they arrived about the time I got back from vacation so less than 1 week ago) and THE PIGMENT ITSELF (color, texture, etc.) IS IDENTICAL! I COULD make the colors look different by applying just a very slightly different amount on my skin!! This is why the pictures on the forum are NOT accurate. Also, some colors just do not photograph well, AND ALL MONITORS ARE DIFFERENT! I will admit, that I have NOT checked ALL of the colors in question as I did not have a few of them in stock, to compare the "fakes" to. (like the Chartreuse, deep blue green or the glitters - except for the Jewelmarine), so I can not comment on those, NOR WOULD I OR SHOULD ANYONE ELSE, UNLESS YOU HAVE PROOF YOURSELF (not gossip or someone else's pictures). That Teal in the picture, doesn't look like mine!
Lastly, those who participate in slander against me (because you have NO proof), will have action taken against them. It IS AGAINST THE LAW! Pictures are NOT proof of anything!
Remember, I REALLY TRIED TO FIND PROOF THAT THESE WERE FAKES so I could post this information in my guides to protect buyers, and while there are some differences (not with the pigment itself), they were also present on the boxes/jars, I got from MAC (and some were older ones - so are you saying that these "new" fakes, were around 3-4 years ago and if so, why is it that everyone is JUST NOW realizing they are fake??). So I could not put this information in my guide. I assure you that I WOULD, IF I WAS SURE THEY WERE FAKES. There is too much gossip here and most people have no clue what they are talking about! A few people DO believe what they are saying (but I ask you to again compare the pigments on your skin and be VERY careful to use the exact amount because when I FIRST did this, I "thought" the color was different until I did make sure I was using the same amount). I have used and sold MAC for many years and if I am made aware of fakes, then I warn others in the guide. These pigments would be no exception, IF I COULD HAVE PROVED IT. Also, do NOT give me "credit" for ANY OF THE OTHER PIGMENTS ON THIS FORUM, THAT OTHER BUYERS HAVE RECEIVED (they could be fakes or may not be - but I have nothing to do with those)! Also, keep in mind that people can alter emails and only include what they want to include (or change information), and they ARE NOT ALWAYS HONEST! There is NO WAY I believe that MAC sent that buyer, samples of those 2 colors, so she could see if what she bought was fake (they WILL NOT EVEN CONFIRM THEM IN PERSON)! MAC doesn't just mail them out to anyone who wants them either! They are sent IN ADDITION TO AN ORDER, if you ask for a certain color to try (one color, not several - otherwise they would be receiving requests all day long for samples to be mailed to them because there are so many people who like to use samples and/or want to try a color before buying them - so MAC doesn't send them to anyone or without an order).
YES, WE NEED TO GET THE SELLERS OF FAKE MAC, OFF OF EBAY OR ANYWHERE ELSE THEY ARE SOLD and it's too bad that they are ruining it for the honest ones, but you MUST be sure of what you are saying, when you accuse someone of selling fakes! One report of a fake WILL ALWAYS LEAD TO MANY PEOPLE SAYING THE SAME THING because some people just like to gossip - just like what has happened now! I saw that one person has said that there are many reasons why something could be different on a box or jar or whatever (but NO ONE jumps in and agrees with this because it makes them feel important or something, to continue the BAD gossip). It is true that there WILL BE some slight differences when a box, bottle, label, etc. is manufactured - and these days, because of the fake scare, everyone immediately thinks this means they are fake! Even the Barbie boxes without the logo on the boxes are now being claimed to be fake (there IS FAKE BARBIE OUT THERE BUT IT'S OBVIOUS), AND THESE BOXES WITHOUT THE LOGO ARE FROM THE SECOND RUN (due to customer demand, since it sold out so fast, MAC did do another run and some of these boxes did not have the logo on them). Please be careful about what information you spread as the truth, because if you have heard the story about the kid who cried wolf, then you know that one day, you WILL have a reason to complain but no one will listen to you (then alot of buyers will get burned on fakes because they got tired of hearing people claim that everything was fake).
Lastly, I didn't have time to write this, but when I saw my emails reprinted (part of them), and all of the other posts, & I had to take the time. I DO HAVE RECEIPTS FOR ALL OF MY MAC, and I happen to not have the time to go through literally hundreds of them! I haven't even had time to gather my tax information up and the deadline is fast approaching! I WILL check and if I can easily find the receipts, then fine, but if not, I am not spending hours going through them. I will also not get into a forum war over this because I don't have the time to waste. I KNOW my MAC is authentic and my customers know this (but gossip IS ruining it for us honest sellers). Reprints of emails shouldn't be allowed in this forum anyway, since THEY CAN BE ALTERED! I WOULD THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS FORUM WOULD KNOW THIS.
I started writing the guides on fake MAC, approx. 3 years ago and have spent ALOT of my time, checking out auctions for people, checking their actual products, etc. If you think that I would NOW (after 6 years on Ebay), start selling fakes, then DON'T BUY FROM ME! I KNOW WHERE MY MAC COMES FROM AND DO NOT HAVE TIME TO SIT ON THIS FORUM DAY IN AND DAY OUT, SPREADING RUMOURS! There are also those who will buy fakes, then when they can't get their money back from that seller, they will purchase the items again from a seller they KNOW has authentic MAC, and THEN claim they are fakes (so they get the real thing AND get their money back from the seller with the real product). PAYPAL AND EBAY IS AWARE THAT THIS IS OCCURING OFTEN!
As for my PRIVATE EMAIL to that buyer, I did initially put the "new" information on the pigments, on my guide, but removed it after I pulled a ton of pigments from my old jars/boxes (from 3-4 years ago when I used to sell samples) and NEW LIMITED EDITION pigments STILL IN THE CARDBOARD BOXES WHICH IS HOW THEY COME IN SETS OF 3), and these "signs of being fake" ARE ALSO FOUND ON AUTHENTIC MAC PIGMENTS! They could be older jars/boxes or newer limited edition ones (I REALLY THINK THAT THESE ARE OLDER JARS/BOXES). As for the new 169 (L.E.) brush NOT being made in China, it doesn't matter what you say because TWO OF US (and probably more that I don't even know about) have now talked with our MAC managers and one of the releases WAS MADE IN CHINA! They had the brushes left over from the 2 previous collections, so since they were supposed to be the SAME brush, they put them in the same glass jar (they are on display in). Neither of these manager even realized that one of the brushes was made in China, until they pulled several of these brushes out of the jar, and saw that indeed, some of them WERE MADE in China (it is only limited edition and so far, the only one's we have checked are the 169 brush - FULL SIZE, NOT SETS). My manager even called MAC headquarters to make sure he hadn't accidently got some fakes as customer returns!
I was also told that their limited edition items are NOW being made in China. I did not verify if this includes ALL LIMITED EDITION OR JUST A FEW OF THE COLLECTIONS - because I don't have time to spend on this. I have a life! So if some or most (or all) of the limited edition items are now being made in China, then why is it so hard to believe that pigments aren't too??? Look at the FAFI collections. THESE WERE MADE IN CHINA!! NOT THE ACTUAL PRODUCT ITSELF (i.e. lipsticks, lipglass, etc.) BUT THE BOXES, YES!!
Again, on the pigments, I AM 100% POSITIVE THAT THE COLORS THAT I HAVE, ARE AUTHENTIC (I have only bought 2 on Ebay for my own personal use and those did not get resold AND THE COLOR/TEXTURE IS IDENTICAL TO THOSE I GOT FROM MAC). I got some of the so called fake pigments recently, from another seller who has had headaches due to the information on this forum (they arrived about the time I got back from vacation so less than 1 week ago) and THE PIGMENT ITSELF (color, texture, etc.) IS IDENTICAL! I COULD make the colors look different by applying just a very slightly different amount on my skin!! This is why the pictures on the forum are NOT accurate. Also, some colors just do not photograph well, AND ALL MONITORS ARE DIFFERENT! I will admit, that I have NOT checked ALL of the colors in question as I did not have a few of them in stock, to compare the "fakes" to. (like the Chartreuse, deep blue green or the glitters - except for the Jewelmarine), so I can not comment on those, NOR WOULD I OR SHOULD ANYONE ELSE, UNLESS YOU HAVE PROOF YOURSELF (not gossip or someone else's pictures). That Teal in the picture, doesn't look like mine!
Lastly, those who participate in slander against me (because you have NO proof), will have action taken against them. It IS AGAINST THE LAW! Pictures are NOT proof of anything!
Remember, I REALLY TRIED TO FIND PROOF THAT THESE WERE FAKES so I could post this information in my guides to protect buyers, and while there are some differences (not with the pigment itself), they were also present on the boxes/jars, I got from MAC (and some were older ones - so are you saying that these "new" fakes, were around 3-4 years ago and if so, why is it that everyone is JUST NOW realizing they are fake??). So I could not put this information in my guide. I assure you that I WOULD, IF I WAS SURE THEY WERE FAKES. There is too much gossip here and most people have no clue what they are talking about! A few people DO believe what they are saying (but I ask you to again compare the pigments on your skin and be VERY careful to use the exact amount because when I FIRST did this, I "thought" the color was different until I did make sure I was using the same amount). I have used and sold MAC for many years and if I am made aware of fakes, then I warn others in the guide. These pigments would be no exception, IF I COULD HAVE PROVED IT. Also, do NOT give me "credit" for ANY OF THE OTHER PIGMENTS ON THIS FORUM, THAT OTHER BUYERS HAVE RECEIVED (they could be fakes or may not be - but I have nothing to do with those)! Also, keep in mind that people can alter emails and only include what they want to include (or change information), and they ARE NOT ALWAYS HONEST! There is NO WAY I believe that MAC sent that buyer, samples of those 2 colors, so she could see if what she bought was fake (they WILL NOT EVEN CONFIRM THEM IN PERSON)! MAC doesn't just mail them out to anyone who wants them either! They are sent IN ADDITION TO AN ORDER, if you ask for a certain color to try (one color, not several - otherwise they would be receiving requests all day long for samples to be mailed to them because there are so many people who like to use samples and/or want to try a color before buying them - so MAC doesn't send them to anyone or without an order).
YES, WE NEED TO GET THE SELLERS OF FAKE MAC, OFF OF EBAY OR ANYWHERE ELSE THEY ARE SOLD and it's too bad that they are ruining it for the honest ones, but you MUST be sure of what you are saying, when you accuse someone of selling fakes! One report of a fake WILL ALWAYS LEAD TO MANY PEOPLE SAYING THE SAME THING because some people just like to gossip - just like what has happened now! I saw that one person has said that there are many reasons why something could be different on a box or jar or whatever (but NO ONE jumps in and agrees with this because it makes them feel important or something, to continue the BAD gossip). It is true that there WILL BE some slight differences when a box, bottle, label, etc. is manufactured - and these days, because of the fake scare, everyone immediately thinks this means they are fake! Even the Barbie boxes without the logo on the boxes are now being claimed to be fake (there IS FAKE BARBIE OUT THERE BUT IT'S OBVIOUS), AND THESE BOXES WITHOUT THE LOGO ARE FROM THE SECOND RUN (due to customer demand, since it sold out so fast, MAC did do another run and some of these boxes did not have the logo on them). Please be careful about what information you spread as the truth, because if you have heard the story about the kid who cried wolf, then you know that one day, you WILL have a reason to complain but no one will listen to you (then alot of buyers will get burned on fakes because they got tired of hearing people claim that everything was fake).
Lastly, I didn't have time to write this, but when I saw my emails reprinted (part of them), and all of the other posts, & I had to take the time. I DO HAVE RECEIPTS FOR ALL OF MY MAC, and I happen to not have the time to go through literally hundreds of them! I haven't even had time to gather my tax information up and the deadline is fast approaching! I WILL check and if I can easily find the receipts, then fine, but if not, I am not spending hours going through them. I will also not get into a forum war over this because I don't have the time to waste. I KNOW my MAC is authentic and my customers know this (but gossip IS ruining it for us honest sellers). Reprints of emails shouldn't be allowed in this forum anyway, since THEY CAN BE ALTERED! I WOULD THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATOR OF THIS FORUM WOULD KNOW THIS.
akw
Member
RE: claim that I made a statement, saying that when MAC repromotes a pigment, the color can be different.
NO, PIGMENTS ARE ALWAYS THE SAME (at least so far). The do change the names, but sometimes the name is the same and the COLOR NUMBER JUST CHANGES, NOT THE COLOR ITSELF! Just an example of how statements can be misunderstood or MISCOMMUNICATED WHEN REPEATED! Now, for eye shadow, YES, SOME REPROMOTES ARE slightly different colors but not often.
As for the "little balls" being a sign of a fake (and if others don't agree with everything in this post then you just don't want to get involved or prefer to only spread untrue gossip) - almost all pigments, will have these little balls! Even on the first day you buy them from MAC (so it's not just older pigments). Anyone who uses pigments or has more than just one or two colors, would know this! The colors that don't seem to get these balls, are those with alot of mica in them (even those with quite a bit, still get them so I mean ALOT).
Regarding the pigment boxes that fall apart: Has anyone ever considered that these could be old ones? How many sellers, save those rare colors - to resell later? Glue can be affected by age, room temperature or just the manufacturing process (a few might not get enough glue on them). Also, I was thinking that the "White", had stop being made for awhile? I know that I saved 1 of the White, to resell later but ended up using it myself. Maybe some long time MAC Pigment users WHO USED THIS COLOR, would know for sure. I could just be remembering wrong because I'm talking about 5-6 years ago. By the way, regarding the boxes that have the "different" flap (that look like the bottom), I DID FIND SEVERAL OF THESE IN MY BAG OF OLD EMPTY JARS/BOXES (that I still haven't returned to MAC for the free lipsticks or whatever I want). Again, I really believe that these "fakes" are just older pigments (I can not comment on ALL OF THE COLORS THOUGH as previously mentioned). Those color swatches, taken side by side, one could be hitting the light just alittle differently than the other one! I saw this myself when testing them. You would have to look at them in person and dead on (and have been very careful to use the exact same amount). Some of the pictures are at an angle and the ones with flash (and at an angle) can't be used as "proof" because the flash hit one of the swatches dead on, while the other got very little of it (I have no idea where THAT Cornflower came from either so it may not even be these new fakes in question)! I take ALOT OF PICTURES OF MAC, and can take the same picture, at different angles and get all different shades (sometimes you can see sparkle, but usually you can't and duochrome DOES NOT HARDLY EVERY SHOW UP, NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY - OUTSIDE OR IN A LIGHTBOX EVEN).
By the way, the photo of the MAC package could be of any order, anytime (they all say: from MAC manager - I get tons of them). Just like if I do find your receipt, you will tell me that it could be from a pigment already sold, not yet sold, etc. In addition, store receipts sometimes do not list the color name (depending on how long it is or if a special collection). Even the FAFI and Heatherette, had a couple of items that didn't have the color name on the receipt, while all the others did.
NO, PIGMENTS ARE ALWAYS THE SAME (at least so far). The do change the names, but sometimes the name is the same and the COLOR NUMBER JUST CHANGES, NOT THE COLOR ITSELF! Just an example of how statements can be misunderstood or MISCOMMUNICATED WHEN REPEATED! Now, for eye shadow, YES, SOME REPROMOTES ARE slightly different colors but not often.
As for the "little balls" being a sign of a fake (and if others don't agree with everything in this post then you just don't want to get involved or prefer to only spread untrue gossip) - almost all pigments, will have these little balls! Even on the first day you buy them from MAC (so it's not just older pigments). Anyone who uses pigments or has more than just one or two colors, would know this! The colors that don't seem to get these balls, are those with alot of mica in them (even those with quite a bit, still get them so I mean ALOT).
Regarding the pigment boxes that fall apart: Has anyone ever considered that these could be old ones? How many sellers, save those rare colors - to resell later? Glue can be affected by age, room temperature or just the manufacturing process (a few might not get enough glue on them). Also, I was thinking that the "White", had stop being made for awhile? I know that I saved 1 of the White, to resell later but ended up using it myself. Maybe some long time MAC Pigment users WHO USED THIS COLOR, would know for sure. I could just be remembering wrong because I'm talking about 5-6 years ago. By the way, regarding the boxes that have the "different" flap (that look like the bottom), I DID FIND SEVERAL OF THESE IN MY BAG OF OLD EMPTY JARS/BOXES (that I still haven't returned to MAC for the free lipsticks or whatever I want). Again, I really believe that these "fakes" are just older pigments (I can not comment on ALL OF THE COLORS THOUGH as previously mentioned). Those color swatches, taken side by side, one could be hitting the light just alittle differently than the other one! I saw this myself when testing them. You would have to look at them in person and dead on (and have been very careful to use the exact same amount). Some of the pictures are at an angle and the ones with flash (and at an angle) can't be used as "proof" because the flash hit one of the swatches dead on, while the other got very little of it (I have no idea where THAT Cornflower came from either so it may not even be these new fakes in question)! I take ALOT OF PICTURES OF MAC, and can take the same picture, at different angles and get all different shades (sometimes you can see sparkle, but usually you can't and duochrome DOES NOT HARDLY EVERY SHOW UP, NO MATTER HOW HARD I TRY - OUTSIDE OR IN A LIGHTBOX EVEN).
By the way, the photo of the MAC package could be of any order, anytime (they all say: from MAC manager - I get tons of them). Just like if I do find your receipt, you will tell me that it could be from a pigment already sold, not yet sold, etc. In addition, store receipts sometimes do not list the color name (depending on how long it is or if a special collection). Even the FAFI and Heatherette, had a couple of items that didn't have the color name on the receipt, while all the others did.
panda0410
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what a load of shit..... some of these pigments were posted to people who have authentic mac and the pigments are clearly different - regardless of monitor/screen colour setting - thats an easy excuse to justify selling/having fakes. I was one of those people who had fake mac sent to me for comparison (white pigment, grey glitter, jewelmarine glitter) and I dare anyone to try and tell me they were fucking real.....
1165Cheryl
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The white fakes are very easy to tell as panda stated. I recently got a fake which I did get a refund. Many of us here have been around pigments since they were made. We know the box's, the jars, the different textures like ones with pearls,or like vanilla which has no pearl but a frost (like the white) ones with flecks, mattes, ect... Over the many years of buying Mac and having there original colors I've never seen any of ther box's were the top is like the bottoms, not until recently with the fakes. All the stock I get direct the box's have never fallen apart like the ones I've seen the fakes do. Sometimes some of us here buy the "might be" fakes on purpose to find out if sellers have authentic pigments. It's sad that it's come down to this with full jars, it wasnt like this when I first started....
| Originally Posted by panda0410
what a load of shit..... some of these pigments were posted to people who have authentic mac and the pigments are clearly different - regardless of monitor/screen colour setting - thats an easy excuse to justify selling/having fakes. I was one of those people who had fake mac sent to me for comparison (white pigment, grey glitter, jewelmarine glitter) and I dare anyone to try and tell me they were fucking real..... |
The white fakes are very easy to tell as panda stated. I recently got a fake which I did get a refund. Many of us here have been around pigments since they were made. We know the box's, the jars, the different textures like ones with pearls,or like vanilla which has no pearl but a frost (like the white) ones with flecks, mattes, ect... Over the many years of buying Mac and having there original colors I've never seen any of ther box's were the top is like the bottoms, not until recently with the fakes. All the stock I get direct the box's have never fallen apart like the ones I've seen the fakes do. Sometimes some of us here buy the "might be" fakes on purpose to find out if sellers have authentic pigments. It's sad that it's come down to this with full jars, it wasnt like this when I first started....
Xqueeze_me
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First things first. We are NOT here to spread rumours. We're here to help people who unknowingly buy/bought fake MAC. Do NOT shoot everyone here just because you heard/read "rumours". There are pictures, in the comparisons, to show the differences with explanations. I wouldn't call that "rumours".
Sooooo LE items are made in China. ONLY the packaging and SE brush are made in China. The products like the eyeshadows itself are made in Canada or USA or Italy, etc. NEVER CHINA. As for pigments, I do NOT believe that ANY of them are made in China either. EVER. If they're made in China, WHY would MAC print on their boxes and jars "Made in USA" or "Made in Canada", etc. Wouldn't that be misleading information then? I don't see my Copperized or Revved Up made in China just because they're LE.
The comparisons I've done for Deep Purple, no matter how equal or different amounts I applied on my hand, on the white paper, THEY ARE NOT IDENTICAL. Yes yes, they may look identical in the jars but the verdict is when they are applied on: The colour, the depth, the texture. They both tell different stories so I'd stick to the authentic Deep Purple over the one from "suppliers"/eBay. No, the Deep Purple is not from you. I'm just talking about the comparison. When compared, both jar and box looks almost the same BUT once again, it all comes down to the pigments itself: The colour, the depth and the texture. They are also the same batch. How could they be different then? Different manufacturer? No, I don't believe that. Not a coincidence either that the pigments with the same batch have different shades.
I am aware that pigments have the little balls and some of my pigments have them. I agree that not ALL pigments with them are fakes. It's just that some pigments with different textures do NOT have those little balls. For instance, like the White pigment that panda0410 analysed. My Electric Coral has a "crumbled" look when I shake them around a bit, no balls. Electric Coral in my opinion is more like a dry powdery/chalky form, hence no little balls. I had a Provence that never had any little balls due to its dry chalky form. Fairy Lite looks like little broken stones. Dark Soul has no little balls. My Ruby Red, Night Light and Deep Purple (Just to name a few) has the little balls. So there you go.
Yes, the camera angles and all that yahoo. Seriously, we wouldn't be taking pictures for the analysis if we didn't know how to take them? That is why we take several at different angles, several lucky one shots that captures/d everything/topic at hand, while comparing the authentic with the fake.
As for the MAC pigment samples, I do ask for them even if I didn't/don't buy anything and the MAs at MAC do give them to me - in generous amounts. 2-3 samples maximum. Even at the counters, they may be stingy with the amount(s) but they still give them to me.
We have our own lives too you know. We just use a part of our lives to help people here with their concerns, questions, have a chat, share legit info, enjoy cosmetics, etc.
Sooooo LE items are made in China. ONLY the packaging and SE brush are made in China. The products like the eyeshadows itself are made in Canada or USA or Italy, etc. NEVER CHINA. As for pigments, I do NOT believe that ANY of them are made in China either. EVER. If they're made in China, WHY would MAC print on their boxes and jars "Made in USA" or "Made in Canada", etc. Wouldn't that be misleading information then? I don't see my Copperized or Revved Up made in China just because they're LE.
The comparisons I've done for Deep Purple, no matter how equal or different amounts I applied on my hand, on the white paper, THEY ARE NOT IDENTICAL. Yes yes, they may look identical in the jars but the verdict is when they are applied on: The colour, the depth, the texture. They both tell different stories so I'd stick to the authentic Deep Purple over the one from "suppliers"/eBay. No, the Deep Purple is not from you. I'm just talking about the comparison. When compared, both jar and box looks almost the same BUT once again, it all comes down to the pigments itself: The colour, the depth and the texture. They are also the same batch. How could they be different then? Different manufacturer? No, I don't believe that. Not a coincidence either that the pigments with the same batch have different shades.
I am aware that pigments have the little balls and some of my pigments have them. I agree that not ALL pigments with them are fakes. It's just that some pigments with different textures do NOT have those little balls. For instance, like the White pigment that panda0410 analysed. My Electric Coral has a "crumbled" look when I shake them around a bit, no balls. Electric Coral in my opinion is more like a dry powdery/chalky form, hence no little balls. I had a Provence that never had any little balls due to its dry chalky form. Fairy Lite looks like little broken stones. Dark Soul has no little balls. My Ruby Red, Night Light and Deep Purple (Just to name a few) has the little balls. So there you go.
Yes, the camera angles and all that yahoo. Seriously, we wouldn't be taking pictures for the analysis if we didn't know how to take them? That is why we take several at different angles, several lucky one shots that captures/d everything/topic at hand, while comparing the authentic with the fake.
As for the MAC pigment samples, I do ask for them even if I didn't/don't buy anything and the MAs at MAC do give them to me - in generous amounts. 2-3 samples maximum. Even at the counters, they may be stingy with the amount(s) but they still give them to me.
We have our own lives too you know. We just use a part of our lives to help people here with their concerns, questions, have a chat, share legit info, enjoy cosmetics, etc.
darkishstar
Well-known member
The reason why the boxes are ALWAYS ALWAYS almost ALWAYS flawed is because the product is what they are trying the hardest to imitate, however, that is the most costly of the manufacturing process. Hence, they cut corners on the production of the boxes, they use horrible low quality glue, shoddy print, terrible cutters.
MAC has NO reason, NO REASON, to make crappy boxes, they are a company that believes in quality. Like I said before and I say it again, THERE IS A REASON FOR SUCH TIGHT QUALITY CONTROL, because then you can tell the fakes from the real. It's bullshit that old pigments boxes should fall apart because it's old. I have pigments from 3 years ago that the boxes are still intact, because of quality control. THIS DOES NOT ONLY HAPPEN WITH MAC COUNTERFEITS. Most counterfeits like perfumes has S***** BOXES as well, because all of the fake companies are the same, they try and save cost by making horrible packaging. This is a fact, NOT a rumor. I don't spread rumors. What would any of use get from spreading rumors? NOTHING. And we don't want NOTHING.
MAC has NO reason, NO REASON, to make crappy boxes, they are a company that believes in quality. Like I said before and I say it again, THERE IS A REASON FOR SUCH TIGHT QUALITY CONTROL, because then you can tell the fakes from the real. It's bullshit that old pigments boxes should fall apart because it's old. I have pigments from 3 years ago that the boxes are still intact, because of quality control. THIS DOES NOT ONLY HAPPEN WITH MAC COUNTERFEITS. Most counterfeits like perfumes has S***** BOXES as well, because all of the fake companies are the same, they try and save cost by making horrible packaging. This is a fact, NOT a rumor. I don't spread rumors. What would any of use get from spreading rumors? NOTHING. And we don't want NOTHING.
red
Well-known member
Dear AKW, your pigment Teal ebay listing here was received by me. It was purchased by a friend who lives in Florence. I can only tell you what I have, anything is possible, probable, nothing is 100%. I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, BUT it's not Teal. The color, just by visual observation, without looking at all the other factors, is Green and not Teal. Then when I look at everything else, the sticker on the top that looks glued on and there are glue residuals on the side, and so many other factors that leads me to believe the product is not authentic.
trust me, I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I apologize from the bottom of my heart if I called this pigment incorrectly, as it's not directed at you personally, but at the distributor that has sold you this pigment.
The proof is in the swatch, it doesn't match against the sample sent by Mac Pro. It just doesn't match, sorry ....
even taking into consideration the light, angle of shot, the difference between the Mac sample of the Teal and your full size is so blatantly apparent ....
trust me, I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I apologize from the bottom of my heart if I called this pigment incorrectly, as it's not directed at you personally, but at the distributor that has sold you this pigment.
The proof is in the swatch, it doesn't match against the sample sent by Mac Pro. It just doesn't match, sorry ....
even taking into consideration the light, angle of shot, the difference between the Mac sample of the Teal and your full size is so blatantly apparent ....
panda0410
Well-known member
ITA - green aint teal! None of us have any reason to lie or manipulate, after all, we're the ones losing our $$.... we WANT mac, we just dont want FAKE mac. Sellers that wont refund on the other hand have every reason to - its easier not to scrutinise their goods and/or their suppliers....
I think in most cases the suppliers hold a lot of responsibility. However, sellers that refuse to consider that they may have sold fakes also hold accountability, and that accountability, or lack thereof, will almost certainly be reflected in buyers attitudes towards them......
I think in most cases the suppliers hold a lot of responsibility. However, sellers that refuse to consider that they may have sold fakes also hold accountability, and that accountability, or lack thereof, will almost certainly be reflected in buyers attitudes towards them......
red
Well-known member
Sorry, one last thing. I've shipped the Teal back to you registered mail.
So, between the cost of the pigment, shipping costs from you, my shipping cost to mail it back, it's $25.05 approximately.
I respect your idea that you stand behind what you sell, and that this pigment has "Mac origins". Very well my friend, we'll eat the $25.05.
Take care and be well. At the end of the day, it's just colored powder, and I don't lose sleep over it.
So, between the cost of the pigment, shipping costs from you, my shipping cost to mail it back, it's $25.05 approximately.
I respect your idea that you stand behind what you sell, and that this pigment has "Mac origins". Very well my friend, we'll eat the $25.05.
Take care and be well. At the end of the day, it's just colored powder, and I don't lose sleep over it.
Diorissima
Member
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LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY!!!
I really can't believe you're telling Red's a liar!!
She's a valued and gold supporter member..
RED, HAS BOUGHT A PIGMENT, AND OTHER STUFF FROM MAC (so she DO an order!!) AND ASK FOR 2 SAMPLES OF CORNFLOWER AND TEAL saying she just want to try them.
AND THEY SEND THEM TO HER. AND THEY ARE ORIGINAL WITHOUT ANY DOUBT.
Please, please please... think before talk. And think before accuse someone who IS A HONEST person.
Nobody ask a refound from you thinking to keep the items. So there isn't any conspiracy to keep genuine products plus money back.
| Originally Posted by akw
There is NO WAY I believe that MAC sent that buyer, samples of those 2 colors, so she could see if what she bought was fake (they WILL NOT EVEN CONFIRM THEM IN PERSON)! MAC doesn't just mail them out to anyone who wants them either! They are sent IN ADDITION TO AN ORDER, if you ask for a certain color to try (one color, not several - otherwise they would be receiving requests all day long for samples to be mailed to them because there are so many people who like to use samples and/or want to try a color before buying them - so MAC doesn't send them to anyone or without an order). |
LISTEN VERY CAREFULLY!!!
I really can't believe you're telling Red's a liar!!
She's a valued and gold supporter member..
RED, HAS BOUGHT A PIGMENT, AND OTHER STUFF FROM MAC (so she DO an order!!) AND ASK FOR 2 SAMPLES OF CORNFLOWER AND TEAL saying she just want to try them.
AND THEY SEND THEM TO HER. AND THEY ARE ORIGINAL WITHOUT ANY DOUBT.
Please, please please... think before talk. And think before accuse someone who IS A HONEST person.
Nobody ask a refound from you thinking to keep the items. So there isn't any conspiracy to keep genuine products plus money back.
