Kat Von D MAkeup !!!!

pandorablack

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Vegans are their own special breed. I can appreciate where they are coming from, and I too limit my meat and dairy. But comparing us to lion poachers is a bit much. However, vegans see ALL animals as equal. So to them killing a cow is just as bad as killing a famous lion. I personally don't agree but I get their point just the same. I won't stop buying KVD products, although, I will say that I'm not too enthused with the new stuff she has put out. And I find her lipsticks to be really drying. The colors are beautiful, but they're just so drying and some colors are patchy. She also doesn't make a foundation in my shade.

I'm going back to wearing more MAC and NARS and I'm happier for it. Still love my KVD eyeshadows, though.
 

pandorablack

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Sometimes all you can say is "yikes" and move on...I still want my lipsticks tho.
Spoken like a true makeup addict
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laurennnxox

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Well, well, well, I didn't know anything about this and I'm kinda glad I hoarded several liquid lipsticks before knowing. I'm gonna take a serious pause on buying her stuff now because that post and the video to "clarify" rubbed me the wrong way. Nothing bothers me like people preaching to me about my choices all while expecting you to be tolerant of theirs. I avoided her line for a long time feeling that she was shady and this is just further justification of that feeling. I'm tired of being put in a position to choose my principals or makeup I really enjoy. :eek:hboy:
Yess! I 100% agree.
 

CrimsonQuill157

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I think what makes me even more upset about this whole thing is the people who agree with her, and are being so incredibly nasty to those who were offended. I'll never buy her products again.
 

Heidi K

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I haven't logged in a few days. The last time I was here, everyone was super excited about the new liquid lipsticks.
I don't agree with what she said. People are entitled to their opinions, but don't compare meat eaters to a douche bag hunter with more money then common sense. Especially if you are wearing $500 Natacha Marrow platforms made of "genuine leather" all over your Instagram. I don't know if I will boycott her brand or not. I love some of her products. I'm still on the fence.
 

laurennnxox

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For those of you who might be still interested-- my local SiJCP had the 14 of the new studded lipsticks. They were missing magick. Unless that too got it's name changed. I was able to swatch but not yet able to purchase. The manager who usually lets me buy things a few days early wasn't there. The ladies were super nice and let me take my time playing with the shades. Quite frankly I'm only interested in one or two. I'm sorry I didn't take a photo so I'm sure that doesn't help ya'll much. I can say that Piaf looks... Super... Different than swatches I've seen. It's a brown color with purple glitter. Definitely unique and totally not my cup of tea. It's not a pretty brown either IMHO. I loved Mercy, a deep berry/burgundy shade with shimmer. There was a hot hot hot NEON pink that was a bit interesting, pretty sure it was called Sexer. Would have been more apt for summer. One of the SA's with a deeper skin tone tried on Chula and it was soooo pretty on her! It's like a marsala-y shade. They made vampira and noble into lipstick form. Some of the dark pure mattes (no shimmer/glitter) swatched patchy on my skin. They'd probably benefit with some kind of balm underneath. The shimmer shades were much more smooth and nice on my hand. The nayeon shade looked like gunmetal on my hand, loaded with silver glitter-- very metallic feel. It wasn't black with shimmer like I was anticipating. Maybe it would look different on the lips. Anyway sorry for the really vague post. I hope this helps someone! :haha:
 

bunnypoet

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Anyway sorry for the really vague post. I hope this helps someone!
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Your post definitely helped me to fully get over my Piaf daydreaming! I thought it was more of a unique taupey-brown with slight purple undertones, and not a brown-brown sprinkled with some glitter. Thanks for the review!
 

Indieprincess

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I definitely want Piaf, Chula, and NaYeon. The swatches of Mercy I've seen, it reminds me of one of her old Foiled Love shades, Oh My Goth which I have.
 

Winterwhite

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Edit: That Vampy Varnish blog post was interesting! Thanks for the share. It's interesting that she points out KVD was nasty to people who eat meat but doesn't live a 100% vegan life style (i.e., has leather products and taxidermy animals in her house.) I wonder where she thinks these goods come from?

I think a difference might be that most leather products are "side-effects" of meat production, so whether the leather is used for clothing or other items or gets thrown away, it makes no difference to the already dead animal. In fact since the animal is already dead, it seems more " environmentally friendly" to use leather for example for shoes than mineral oil, which is the basis of faux-leather - in the form of various plastics; though I am aware of the fact that the tanning of leathers needs many chemicals, too.


Just about the leather vs vegan lifestyle, this seems to be a tricky point, but since there are definitely plenty of people who consume meat, I would suppose in an overall sense, to make use of the large amount of leather as by-product might possibly be even more environmentally friendly than faux leather, because oil-drilling and spills can also harm the ecosystem with all the animals in it.


In the end, also her products of course use plastic (in the packaging) and chemical ingredients, same as most other cosmetics companies, and probably she is not perfect. However, if we give up on every aspect of a better lifestyle because we can't conquer them all at once, then everything would be pretty hopeless. If I were happy that I did one thing better than before, and then everyone comments about the 99 other things that are still not so good, it might be demotivating ;)

I agree that probably the wording of the post was not as balanced as it could have been, especially factoring in the large readership and her role in the company. But as was pointed out in another comment over here, maybe if we knew what all the other CEOs and employees of MAC, UD, Chanel, Maybelline etc think about various subjects, we might not buy from them, either.


Definitely I do not aim to offend anyone, and I know Specktra is not really for such discussions, but as the subject is out already, I would like to add: if people look out for vegan products because they want to protect animals, there might be considered that animals are part of an ecosystem and all actions that protect this ecosystem, for example trying to live a less pollutive lifestyle (use of less / cleaner energy, use of fewer plastic products, use of fewer chemicals and so on) are all aspects of that, too.

So to drive by car to the store to buy a vegan product in a plastic box might counteract the whole good intention. I am not exluding myself here, I am guilty of just that; it is just an illustration of the thought that it's hard to live a 360°perfect life, so every kind of awareness and good intentions does help already because it is better than not caring, but it's not yet a big solution of anything.

I suppose KvD aimed to point out that also the animals used for meat production do suffer and are killed for humans, but the approach of it might have gone wrong.

I don't feel offended by it; so I won't stop buying; something like bad customer service or being treated snobbily by employees are things that make me go off a brand much more easily.
 

pandorablack

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I think a difference might be that most leather products are "side-effects" of meat production, so whether the leather is used for clothing or other items or gets thrown away, it makes no difference to the already dead animal. In fact since the animal is already dead, it seems more " environmentally friendly" to use leather for example for shoes than mineral oil, which is the basis of faux-leather - in the form of various plastics; though I am aware of the fact that the tanning of leathers needs many chemicals, too.


Just about the leather vs vegan lifestyle, this seems to be a tricky point, but since there are definitely plenty of people who consume meat, I would suppose in an overall sense, to make use of the large amount of leather as by-product might possibly be even more environmentally friendly than faux leather, because oil-drilling and spills can also harm the ecosystem with all the animals in it.


In the end, also her products of course use plastic (in the packaging) and chemical ingredients, same as most other cosmetics companies, and probably she is not perfect. However, if we give up on every aspect of a better lifestyle because we can't conquer them all at once, then everything would be pretty hopeless. If I were happy that I did one thing better than before, and then everyone comments about the 99 other things that are still not so good, it might be demotivating ;)

I agree that probably the wording of the post was not as balanced as it could have been, especially factoring in the large readership and her role in the company. But as was pointed out in another comment over here, maybe if we knew what all the other CEOs and employees of MAC, UD, Chanel, Maybelline etc think about various subjects, we might not buy from them, either.


Definitely I do not aim to offend anyone, and I know Specktra is not really for such discussions, but as the subject is out already, I would like to add: if people look out for vegan products because they want to protect animals, there might be considered that animals are part of an ecosystem and all actions that protect this ecosystem, for example trying to live a less pollutive lifestyle (use of less / cleaner energy, use of fewer plastic products, use of fewer chemicals and so on) are all aspects of that, too.

So to drive by car to the store to buy a vegan product in a plastic box might counteract the whole good intention. I am not exluding myself here, I am guilty of just that; it is just an illustration of the thought that it's hard to live a 360°perfect life, so every kind of awareness and good intentions does help already because it is better than not caring, but it's not yet a big solution of anything.

I suppose KvD aimed to point out that also the animals used for meat production do suffer and are killed for humans, but the approach of it might have gone wrong.

I don't feel offended by it; so I won't stop buying; something like bad customer service or being treated snobbily byVer employees are things that make me go off a brand much more easily.
Very well said.

Another point: I know KVD said she is making her lipsticks vegan, but I don't know that they are vegan yet. I'd be really surprised if she gets those red reds without using carmine, which is made from a crushed up insect and is not vegan.
 

shontay07108

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It is true that a lot of people behind products we enjoy probably hold a lot of beliefs we disagree with or would even be offended by. The difference is KVD chose to air that out and in an inflammatory way. People can do whatever they want with the information b/c we all have our own boundaries. I'm not swearing off her products for the rest of my life, but I will think long and hard before considering anything else by her and I don't think much of her as a person. That's where I leave it.
 

Shars

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It is true that a lot of people behind products we enjoy probably hold a lot of beliefs we disagree with or would even be offended by. The difference is KVD chose to air that out and in an inflammatory way. People can do whatever they want with the information b/c we all have our own boundaries. I'm not swearing off her products for the rest of my life, but I will think long and hard before considering anything else by her and I don't think much of her as a person. That's where I leave it.
Me, too! Like when she brought out that special edition eye liner with the purpose of donating part of the proceeds to a wildlife preservation centre. The regular eye liner is $19. The special edition one is $24. Only $1 is being donated despite a $5 increase in markup. I felt like she was insulting my intelligence since I know that it doesn't cost $19 to make the original - there is cost price then at least 2 or 3 possible profit margins in there so even with any difference in packaging, I couldn't see the justification for the $5 increase. I could just buy the regular and donate the $5 directly.
 

Vineetha

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^^^ Me, too! Like when she brought out that special edition eye liner with the purpose of donating part of the proceeds to a wildlife preservation centre. The regular eye liner is $19. The special edition one is $24. Only $1 is being donated despite a $5 increase in markup. I felt like she was insulting my intelligence since I know that it doesn't cost $19 to make the original - there is cost price then at least 2 or 3 possible profit margins in there so even with any difference in packaging, I couldn't see the justification for the $5 increase. I could just buy the regular and donate the $5 directly.
this!!!! Pretty sure she isn't selling trooper liner at a loss now!! So with the new packaging, she kept the profit form the sales, passed on the additional cost and the donation amount to the end customer and donated $1 to the cause !! Nothing against her or the brand but not a fan of how the whole thing was executed!!
 

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