Lindsey Lohan as Marylin Monroe!? NSFW!!

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Originally Posted by S.S.BlackOrchid You may be able to tell if a person is at a certain weight and height by looking at them, but can you tell what medications they are on? Can you tell if a person is on Olanzapine or not just by looking at them? No. You can't.

For those who are wondering, Olanzapine is an anti-depressive/antipsychotic drug. As with most drugs in this category, people taking it tend to gain weight. Couple of reasons for this: pharmokinetics of drug metabolism and the fact that the clinically depressed tend to eat as a source of comfort.

Blackorchid, your question is a rationalization. From my own work experience, there are lots of thin people taking antidepressants. Lots of drugs can potentially cause weight gain, but it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. I can also speak from personal experience here: I take corticosteroids. They make you incredibly hungry and they mess with your glucose metabolism. Can't do anything about this, but I still have control over what goes in my mouth and whether or not I choose to sit on the couch watching TV or go to the gym and exercise, as does anyone else. Including your hypothetical person on Olanzapine. Being depressed and possibly suicidal certainly isn't healthy, but neither is being overweight: both are likely to shorten life expectancy. And for all I know, the person became depressed because they were overweight, started taking the drugs and then gained even more weight; it's a vicious cycle that's definitely been known to happen. Doesn't change the fact that they are overweight now, and need nutrition and exercise counseling. Drugs aren't a free pass, they just mean that the patient may have to work harder than they would have otherwise to maintain a healthy weight. It sucks, life isn't even close to being fair, but that's just the way it is.

Never been a fan of Marylin, but Charlize does a much better impersonation than Lindsay.

 

[S.S.BlackOrchid]

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Originally Posted by captodometer For those who are wondering, Olanzapine is an anti-depressive/antipsychotic drug. As with most drugs in this category, people taking it tend to gain weight. Couple of reasons for this: pharmokinetics of drug metabolism and the fact that the clinically depressed tend to eat as a source of comfort. Blackorchid, your question is a rationalization. From my own work experience, there are lots of thin people taking antidepressants. Lots of drugs can potentially cause weight gain, but it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. I can also speak from personal experience here: I take corticosteroids. They make you incredibly hungry and they mess with your glucose metabolism. Can't do anything about this, but I still have control over what goes in my mouth and whether or not I choose to sit on the couch watching TV or go to the gym and exercise, as does anyone else. Including your hypothetical person on Olanzapine. Being depressed and possibly suicidal certainly isn't healthy, but neither is being overweight: both are likely to shorten life expectancy. And for all I know, the person became depressed because they were overweight, started taking the drugs and then gained even more weight; it's a vicious cycle that's definitely been known to happen. Doesn't change the fact that they are overweight now, and need nutrition and exercise counseling. Drugs aren't a free pass, they just mean that the patient may have to work harder than they would have otherwise to maintain a healthy weight. It sucks, life isn't even close to being fair, but that's just the way it is.

I actually HAVE been on Zyprexa, btw, (so it not hypothetical, and it is an anti-psychotic, not necessarily for depression). I gained 80+ lbs in 2 months. I worked out like crazy, ate small portions, didn't eat fast food, didn't drink soda, juices, etc. It didn't do a thing. Women kept being complete bitches about it and I couldn't do anything and if they couldn't accept my looks, were they going to accept my mental illness?

After getting off of the medication, I was able to continue with my workout and finally lose all the weight.

Yeah, you may be in the medical profession, but that doesn't mean you know everyone's case.

Obviously this argument isn't going anywhere and it's just going to go in circles, so let's just drop it.

I agree that Charlize Theron does a better impression (although I'm not a fan of MM myself).

 

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Blackorchid,

First off, let me say how glad I am that you got your mental health issue resolved/back under control/into remission. And you're right: the people who called you fat when you gained probably wouldn't have been very accepting of your mental illness. Lots of social stigma still attached to this group of illnesses, unfortunately.

And I'm very sorry that you were let down by your healthcare provider/team. To persist in leaving you on a medication as you proceeded to gain another small person in less than 2 months was irresponsible: the first 15lbs should have been a clue that you couldn't tolerate the drug and that it was time to try something else.

Sorry if I offended you or anyone else, but there is no pleasing everyone when it comes to public health policy and counseling. When counseling on weight related issues, everyone who is overweight is assumed to be that way because of poor nutrition and inadequate exercise until proven otherwise. It's true 98% of the time. A small percentage of people like yourself have severe adverse medication reactions or endocrine disorders that caused them to gain a large amount weight, but the vast majority of overweight people just made poor decisions when it came to food and exercise. And so we counsel everybody, with the understanding that there will be a small percentage that can't/won't be helped at all. It's strictly a numbers game: better to counsel everybody and reach the people that need it and will listen rather than counsel no one, avoid upsetting anybody and let the problem continue to mushroom.

So if I personally offended you, I'm truly sorry

But I won't apologize for the methodology: "the drug is responsible" is probably about number 3 or 4 on the list of excuses given for weight gain and it's almost never true. It's not uncommon at all to end up counseling someone who is severely overweight and taking a potentially weight inducing drug. And then when you are just about to have some sympathy for them and cut them some slack, you find to find out that they eat fast food 10 times a week and last exercised on a regular basis sometime when the first George Bush was president.

 

[S.S.BlackOrchid]

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Originally Posted by captodometer Blackorchid, First off, let me say how glad I am that you got your mental health issue resolved/back under control/into remission. And you're right: the people who called you fat when you gained probably wouldn't have been very accepting of your mental illness. Lots of social stigma still attached to this group of illnesses, unfortunately. And I'm very sorry that you were let down by your healthcare provider/team. To persist in leaving you on a medication as you proceeded to gain another small person in less than 2 months was irresponsible: the first 15lbs should have been a clue that you couldn't tolerate the drug and that it was time to try something else. Sorry if I offended you or anyone else, but there is no pleasing everyone when it comes to public health policy and counseling. When counseling on weight related issues, everyone who is overweight is assumed to be that way because of poor nutrition and inadequate exercise until proven otherwise. It's true 98% of the time. A small percentage of people like yourself have severe adverse medication reactions or endocrine disorders that caused them to gain a large amount weight, but the vast majority of overweight people just made poor decisions when it came to food and exercise. And so we counsel everybody, with the understanding that there will be a small percentage that can't/won't be helped at all. It's strictly a numbers game: better to counsel everybody and reach the people that need it and will listen rather than counsel no one, avoid upsetting anybody and let the problem continue to mushroom. So if I personally offended you, I'm truly sorry But I won't apologize for the methodology: "the drug is responsible" is probably about number 3 or 4 on the list of excuses given for weight gain and it's almost never true. It's not uncommon at all to end up counseling someone who is severely overweight and taking a potentially weight inducing drug. And then when you are just about to have some sympathy for them and cut them some slack, you find to find out that they eat fast food 10 times a week and last exercised on a regular basis sometime when the first George Bush was president.

No apology necessary, you didn't offend me. I see where you are coming from. It's just frustrating when so many people use it as an excuse and when you actually have a legitimate concern no one believes you.

 

[SparklingWaves]

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Originally Posted by captodometer For those who are wondering, Olanzapine is an anti-depressive/antipsychotic drug. As with most drugs in this category, people taking it tend to gain weight. Couple of reasons for this: pharmokinetics of drug metabolism and the fact that the clinically depressed tend to eat as a source of comfort. Blackorchid, your question is a rationalization. From my own work experience, there are lots of thin people taking antidepressants. Lots of drugs can potentially cause weight gain, but it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. I can also speak from personal experience here: I take corticosteroids. They make you incredibly hungry and they mess with your glucose metabolism. Can't do anything about this, but I still have control over what goes in my mouth and whether or not I choose to sit on the couch watching TV or go to the gym and exercise, as does anyone else. Including your hypothetical person on Olanzapine. Being depressed and possibly suicidal certainly isn't healthy, but neither is being overweight: both are likely to shorten life expectancy. And for all I know, the person became depressed because they were overweight, started taking the drugs and then gained even more weight; it's a vicious cycle that's definitely been known to happen. Doesn't change the fact that they are overweight now, and need nutrition and exercise counseling. Drugs aren't a free pass, they just mean that the patient may have to work harder than they would have otherwise to maintain a healthy weight. It sucks, life isn't even close to being fair, but that's just the way it is. Never been a fan of Marylin, but Charlize does a much better impersonation than Lindsay.

Thank you for taking the time to share your medical knowledge & experience in your posts. I deeply appreciate it.

 

[GreekChick]

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Originally Posted by S.S.BlackOrchid Anyway, coming back to topic. What do we think of Charlize Theron as Marilyn Monroe? attustest: Charlize Theron as Marilyn Monroe

Honestly, I vote for Lisa Marie Presley. Go Kevyn Aucoin!

 

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Originally Posted by GreekChick Honestly, I vote for Lisa Marie Presley. Go Kevyn Aucoin!

Pics?

 

[frocher]

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[AmberLilith]

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Originally Posted by frocher Kevyn Aucoin was a genius. I have a book that breaks down the look if anyone wants it I'll post. marilyn_1.jpg (image)

That looks so much like Marilyn i wouldn't have been able to tell it was Lisa Marie. She makes a good Marilyn. But she doesn't look like herself there at all, whereas Christina and L Lohan both looked like themselves-but-doing-a-Marilyn-look.

 

[SparklingWaves]

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Originally Posted by frocher Kevyn Aucoin was a genius. I have a book that breaks down the look if anyone wants it I'll post. marilyn_1.jpg (image)

It's Aucoin's talent. He was a master. I have seen his work. He could transform people into someone else. It was amazing.

 

[christineeee_]

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Originally Posted by cupcake_x Her body is way too thin to be a good Marilyn. I didn't like this shoot at all.. I don't think she's very pretty, to be honest.

couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[sexychefva804]

I am actually jealous of her boobs, wish mine still looked like that. Except they are NC 45, and breastfeeding took em out. Damn Breastfeeding!!!
just kidding "la leche" 4 Life!

 

[chameleonmary]

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Originally Posted by SparklingWaves It's Aucoin's talent. He was a master. I have seen his work. He could transform people into someone else. It was amazing.

Yep... some of the looks he has done are so freakishly similar you would swear they were twins!

I had to try to look for Lisa Marie Presleys features just to be able to identify her!

 

[Shimmer]

That's insane. Looking at that photo, I would say it was MM.

 

[GreekChick]

The picture wasn't working, so here is the link. It's one of the two pictures.
marilyn_1.jpg (image)

Love. It.

*already posted by frocher*

 

[S.S.BlackOrchid]

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Originally Posted by GreekChick Honestly, I vote for Lisa Marie Presley. Go Kevyn Aucoin!

I agree! She looked just like MM in that pic. Kevyn Aucoin is amazing.

 

[Katura]

I wish people would stop with all the negativity....She looks fine. Not everyone is a Barbie look alike..

I think the art is beautiful. They are wonderful photos.

I'd like to see everyone else grin and bare it like LL does. Embracing her body instead of hating it...

Shes beautiful.

 

[susannef]

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Her body is way too thin to be a good Marilyn.

Why do people keep saying that? Lindsay is bigger then Marilyn was when she did that shoot.

 

[pinky_lady]

personally i adore marylin but i dont think LL should have done this, the pictures dont look good in my opinion, LL has got a good body not "fat" as been mentioned but this type of photography just doesnt look right with LL as marylin.

 

[MACJunkie57]

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Originally Posted by Katura I wish people would stop with all the negativity....She looks fine. Not everyone is a Barbie look alike.. I think the art is beautiful. They are wonderful photos. I'd like to see everyone else grin and bare it like LL does. Embracing her body instead of hating it... Shes beautiful.

I agree, but I just think that if they were going to pick someone to be a Marilyn look-alike it shouldn't have been LiLo, just my opinion. I think she's gorgeous and the photos are very artistic but why Lindsay?