MAC - Naked Honey Discussion

[LostinBubbles]

Hmmm...psychology...really?? I don't really care how Tom is feeling TBH, lol...

As for this collection, I am actually quite looking forward to it. Obviously, there are no earth shattering, awesome new surprises here, but as far as the colors, for everyday wear, I think I'll be wearing the jeepers out of these. Nice neutrals with a little honey drizzled on top. Sweet!

I don't know about smelling like I just crawled out of Pooh Bears Honey Pot, but I know a few people that will probably be digging the body products...just not me

 

[marvlgrl2]

I'm curious about this psychology quiz. Tom looks ecstatic, 5 for sure.

 

[BunnyBunnyBunny]

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Originally Posted by Heiaken Hmm.. Well yes, I think most of us now that Singapore is infamous of it's strict laws, like banning of bubble gum and homosexual sex and even oral and anal sex between heterosexuals. (Though correct me if those restrictions have been lifted.) I'm not trying to say that my countrys politics and laws are all that wonderfull but at least they are a bit more humane.. Black Indian as a tea name just propally means that it's indian originated black tea or something of that sorts. Finding that racist it just silly.

I think Singapore must have banned fun, amirite?

 

[hawaii02]

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Originally Posted by dreamer246 Talking about psychology, thought I'll share an experiment with you (sorry, I just loooove psychology)! Look at the below picture (sorry I know it's super badly drawn): Identify the emotion that Tom is feeling: Sad / Angry / Happy Rate, on a scale of 1-5 (with 5 being the most intense), the intensity of the emotion that Tom is experiencing. I'll come back with the findings later. Have fun!

My psych classes didn't do this, so I'll say that Tom has a sh*t-eating grin at about a 4.

 

[Zantedge]

I'll say he's a 4 on the Happy scale.

But really, I think he's just laughing at the sad faces. Which would make Tom a 5 on the Bitch scale.

 

[Sanayhs]

I have no idea how Tom is feeling. He looks damned happy because of all the sad faces in the background, of course. If he were there alone, people may rank his happiness at a lower score, but because he's contrasted by the frowny faces he looks especially ecstatic. For all I know, Tom is having a mental breakdown which yields hysterical laughter and is absolutely god damn miserable.

 

[Moxy]

^^ Good point but I hid the sad faces and he still looked very happy to me

I think it's one of those things - some people will always see a glass half empty and some will always see it as half full!

 

[Susanne]

 

[dreamer246]

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Originally Posted by genduk26 I graduated in Psychology & took a psychologist training before I came to USA. But now i'm a patient of my own & need a therapist for my makeup addiction..

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Originally Posted by wizzer3245 I did psychology aswell so i know what you're doing i won't ruin it though

Nice to know there are psychology majors here!

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Originally Posted by BunnyBunnyBunny I think Singapore must have banned fun, amirite?

Wow, you managed to summarize all the 657311 laws into one word.

 

[dreamer246]

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Originally Posted by dreamer246 Talking about psychology, thought I'll share an experiment with you (sorry, I just loooove psychology)! Look at the below picture (sorry I know it's super badly drawn): Identify the emotion that Tom is feeling: Sad / Angry / Happy Rate, on a scale of 1-5 (with 5 being the most intense), the intensity of the emotion that Tom is experiencing. I'll come back with the findings later. Have fun!

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Originally Posted by Moxy Tom looks like he got laid last night 5.

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Originally Posted by iadoremac Tom looks very happy ..........4

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Originally Posted by marvlgrl2 I'm curious about this psychology quiz. Tom looks ecstatic, 5 for sure.

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Originally Posted by hawaii02 My psych classes didn't do this, so I'll say that Tom has a sh*t-eating grin at about a 4.

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Originally Posted by Zantedge I'll say he's a 4 on the Happy scale.

As seen from your replies, there is a consensus that Tom is Happy, and his emotion is ranked very highly on the intensity scale. This correlates to the original study's findings.

In a study conducted by Masuda et al (2008), a series of such pictures were shown to a group of American and Japanese students. Will not bore you with the details, but for the picture above, both American and Japanese students would've correctly identified the emotion as being Happy. However, American students tended to rank his emotion as more intense than the Japanese did. Why?

Americans (or people from individualistic societies) tend to focus on the central salient figure(s) in a situation, which in this case is the large face of Tom. If the attention is focused solely on Tom, the intensity rating for his emotion is going to be high, as the judgement is unaffected by anything else.

Japanese (or any collectivistic society) people tend to take into account the context of the situation, they look at the overall picture and consider the details. Yes, they see that Tom has a big smile on his face, so no doubt the emotion he is portraying is that of happiness. BUT how can he be truly happy when everyone surrounding him is sad? Hence, they rated the intensity of the emotion as less intense.

This is not to say that Americans don't take notice of the other items in a situation; they do notice things, but they wouldn't factor those items in to derive a conclusion. An eye tracking device proved that Americans only briefly scanned the whole picture for the first few seconds, before the attention remained fixated at the central figure. For the Japanese, they too scanned the whole picture initially then looked at the central figure (same with the Americans), after which they went on to search for contextual cues which would help them to interpret the central figure better.

If you are not convinced by this exercise, there have been many other studies that documented this difference, so it is academically validated. Even something as seemingly brainless as observing items in a fish tank have brought forth such differences, with the Americans noticing the main focal big objects in the tank more, while the Asians paid attention to every damn thing in there (the context of the situation).

It really just boils down to cultural differences in the way we think, and it even affects the way we view the world.

Hope this has been interesting for you.

 

[Moxy]

^^ Yeah but what about non-Americans? You cant generalize into Japanese and Americans here on this forum.

And also, I think we all noticed other sad faces and not just glanced briefly at them, but the question was HOW IS TOM FEELING? Not how is everyone feeling, so we gave the answer to the question.

 

[iadoremac]

Yeah I agree with Moxy, I looked at the sad faces and wondered why they were sad and i thought well maybe they were all involved in a competition and tom won and the others lost which gives him the right to be happy.

 

[wizzer3245]

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Originally Posted by Moxy ^^ Yeah but what about non-Americans? You cant generalize into Japanese and Americans here on this forum. And also, I think we all noticed other sad faces and not just glanced briefly at them, but the question was HOW IS TOM FEELING? Not how is everyone feeling, so we gave the answer to the question.

Exactly you're right what about non americans, one of the main problems with psychology is you cannot generalise to everyone it's always been the same and if one psychologist things he has another will come along and try to prove it wrong (you never try to prove something right always wrong). It's hard to fit your theory into everyone as the population of different countries is so diverse, you don't just have americans in america and you dont just have British in England etc etc so in the research Winnie showed you the psychologist has just boiled it down into a western and an eastern country to show to try and show the differences between a collectavist and a individualistic society, saying if he did this with another 2 countries the outcome would be similar. That's all. But yes if you were a psychologist that would be you're criticism for that study along with many more i could think of.

The question is how was Tom feeling yep but all the study is saying is the americans focused mostly on Tom alone so saw he was happy rated him high like you did. The japanese yes focused on Tom but took into account the sad people around him as they are collectavist (just meaning they value togetherness ,working together etc) so would rate it lower as a WHOLE.

Moxy you did the same you hid the sad faces to focus on Tom and mention the glass half empty and full saying..


Winnie if i didn't explain that right i apologise as it's been a while since i pulled out my books!

 

[Moxy]

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Originally Posted by wizzer3245 Moxy you did the same you hid the sad faces to focus on Tom

Only partially true. First I looked at the whole picture and gave my evaluation of "got laid, 5".
Then someone (i dont remember who it was, sorry) said that Tom looks so happy cuz others look sad - so to do a comparison, I said i covered the other faces to see if Tom appeared any less happy to me and he didnt. So I did both tests, Tom on his own and Tom with others.

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Originally Posted by wizzer3245 and mention the glass half empty and full saying.

Again, this test of Winnies reminded me of this saying. I thought some would find him happy and some less happy, and I thought of the glass quote. I didnt say who says what, I only thought of the comparison it might provoke.

 

[wizzer3245]

Alls i will say is i didn't say i agree with the study or it's findings i didnt say that i'm just merely trying to explain it

 

[capmorlovesmac]

I really like honey and I am looking forward to parts of this collection.

 

[dreamer246]

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Originally Posted by Moxy ^^ Yeah but what about non-Americans? You cant generalize into Japanese and Americans here on this forum. And also, I think we all noticed other sad faces and not just glanced briefly at them, but the question was HOW IS TOM FEELING? Not how is everyone feeling, so we gave the answer to the question.

American represent the INDIVIDUALISTIC population (which is mainly all the western countries), and the Japanese represent the COLLECTIVISTIC population (Asians and Easterners). If they did a study with the UK and China people, for instance, the result would totally be the same. The countries chosen are just a subset of the population they represent.

And yes, the question was asking about Tom, and if you're individualistic you would focus on Tom alone to make that judgement. Even if you noticed the other people you didn't consider them while making your final judgement, because you were focused solely on judging TOM like what the question had asked. Am I right?

Collectivistic people feel that to judge something, they have to first understand the context of what's happening. So in order to judge Tom, they HAVE to understand what is going on around him. They are not able to isolate him and judge him solely (even though that's what the question asked!), because they see the world as consisting of elements that form a whole, so thave to take into account all these elements before deriving a conclusion. It's rather abstract, but I hope it's clear enough to understand.

It's kinda like if I asked how YOU are feeling now, you would probably tell me YOUR mood at that point in time (correct me if my assumption was wrong). Whereas if I asked someone from a collectivistic country the same question, his mood would probably be a reflection of the moods of the people around him, because he can't isolate himself from the group he belongs to, he sees himself as part of the group rather than as an individual. It's like "if everyone around me is sad, then I would be sad too, because they are a part of me".

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Originally Posted by iadoremac Yeah I agree with Moxy, I looked at the sad faces and wondered why they were sad and i thought well maybe they were all involved in a competition and tom won and the others lost which gives him the right to be happy.

You have a good imagination there.

But honestly, in a really collectivistic country, even if one won a competition one wouldn't show much happiness, because they are concerned about group harmony and "blending in" with the group. To proclaim your victory makes you stand out, and that's not part of their culture. Like my psychology professor said, in individualistic nations, "the squeaky nail gets the grease" while in collectivistic nations, "the nail that's sticking out gets hammered down".

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Originally Posted by wizzer3245 Exactly you're right what about non americans, one of the main problems with psychology is you cannot generalise to everyone it's always been the same and if one psychologist things he has another will come along and try to prove it wrong (you never try to prove something right always wrong). It's hard to fit your theory into everyone as the population of different countries is so diverse, you don't just have americans in america and you dont just have British in England etc etc so in the research Winnie showed you the psychologist has just boiled it down into a western and an eastern country to show to try and show the differences between a collectavist and a individualistic society, saying if he did this with another 2 countries the outcome would be similar. That's all. But yes if you were a psychologist that would be you're criticism for that study along with many more i could think of. The question is how was Tom feeling yep but all the study is saying is the americans focused mostly on Tom alone so saw he was happy rated him high like you did. The japanese yes focused on Tom but took into account the sad people around him as they are collectavist (just meaning they value togetherness ,working together etc) so would rate it lower as a WHOLE. Moxy you did the same you hid the sad faces to focus on Tom and mention the glass half empty and full saying.. Winnie if i didn't explain that right i apologise as it's been a while since i pulled out my books!

Not bad, Sam. You actually remembered your stuff pretty well! I'm impressed.

This is like a psychology discussion here. LOVE IT. Woot, I can talk about psych all day long.

 

[wizzer3245]

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Originally Posted by capmorlovesmac I really like honey and I am looking forward to parts of this collection.

You know what i don't even think i've ever tried honey

 

[dreamer246]

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Originally Posted by capmorlovesmac I really like honey and I am looking forward to parts of this collection.

Which parts?

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Originally Posted by wizzer3245 You know what i don't even think i've ever tried honey

 

[capmorlovesmac]

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Originally Posted by dreamer246 Which parts?

Don't get me wrong, I love off-topic but this was me while reading the last pages:

I am looking forward to the e/s and maybe one or two Lipglasses.