"nappy" vs. straight hair??

Nepenthe

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Originally Posted by MJsJesusjuice
Okay, much ado has been made in the black community about should we wear our hair relaxed or natural...

Obviously, many have heard about "Good Hair" (which is not playing in my town, unfortunately). Good hair, as we should all know, is straighter hair, the type that reflects the sun and falls down your back.

I wear my hair natural. I had a perm (not a relaxer) from 7th grade to 12th grade and from Sept 2007 to present, I have been loving having my natural hair back.

Why did I go back to basics? A lot of people, I guess, tend to associate natural hair on a black woman with radicalism, etc. While, I definitely have some radical in me LOL, there really is nothing like washing your own hair after so many years with a perm!!

So, I wanna just hear people's opinions on this issue.

For me, if I may add, I have an issue with people relaxing their hair and calling it more manageable. My sister wrote a paper on this. She said, "What gauges maneability?" I think that black women need to understand that manageable for a white, asian, or hispanic woman is NOT the same for a black woman.

Also, can someone explain to me why you would give a relaxer to a young girl still in single digits? I had a friend whose mother put a relaxer on her hair when she was little girl; we were in the 7th grade and she could hardly put her hair in a ponytail with a THIN RUBBER BAND!

I'm of the opinion that it is a woman's choice to do what she wants with her own follicles but don't lie about the reasons. I truly believe that black women get relaxers, weaves, etc. because they believe that black hair is not as pretty as "silkier" hair, since we are all inundated with images of what is beautiful from the mass media. Tit is unlikely to see our own faces in the mags, on TV, in movies, the way we are NATURALLY...

Am I wrong?
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I think it's safe to say that there are some people that are dealing with self-hate issues.. but not all. Generalizing is what makes this topic so contraversial, because regardless of what "you think" it doesn't mean that your one size fits all thought pattern applies to everyone.

It's only been in the past 3-4 years that I've reached an understanding with my hair. I've always loved it, but I never knew what to do with it.. since I grew up being the only biracial child in the family. I was relaxed for years, and in hindsight it definitely did a number on my hair.. though I didn't notice it much at the time. I transitioned from relaxed to natural without doing the big chop, which was interesting.. but since the last of the relaxed hair has grown out, I don't have a desire to relax it again. If money were no object, I might try a weave out of curiousity.. but by and large I'm very happy and comfortable with my curls.

When it comes down to it, the single most important aspect of this whole debate is choice. When I was younger I felt like I didn't have a choice.. but now when I see my neice and her beautiful curls, I know that she's got more options, and hopefully she'll grow up loving her hair.. maybe switching things up because of style preferences, rather than feeling it's a necessity or to fit in.

Great topic.
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K_ashanti

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relaxed or natural short or long weave or real hair! don't matter to me cuz i had it all but dreads(i'm working towards that one day) i prefer my hair very short and relaxed, i just like that way cuz i think it look the best for my face, i might see a women with a long weave and love it on her or dreads and love that or afro and love that look to, i don't think that relaxing your hair is brainwashing becuz white women chemically alter their hair too i know of several who get mild relaxers, i think all ways that black women wear our hair beautiful, many styles such as weaves, extentions etc start with us and some how diffuse into the mainstream, just the fact that we call do so much to our hair id beautiful i'm soo tired of the many divides b/w black women we have so many other problem, at the end the day its just hair
 

Tashona Helena

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I read my post again and man I must've been tired because it doesn't make a lot of sense. But basically, I'm ok with knowing what to do to take care of my natural hair now. I used to think I could just put anything in my hair (like hardcore styling wax, and leave it in there for days..wtf that was a no no), and not really take care of it. I dunno, it's like I just struggled with it. Then I started wearing clip-in extensions.

But one day I sat down and was like, ok, my (natural) hair looks like shit, feels like shit, who am I kidding? So I go into lace front wigs, stopped relaxing it every month/month half.

I haven't had a relaxer in MONTHS. Like really I can't remember the last time I had one and I'm PROUD of my self. But sometimes I get those feelings like, why should I even bother with my real hair, I should keep rocking these wigs. But underneath I just know I don't always want to wear these, even though they are a big part of how I express myself and who I am. And not to mention convenient. Right now I have an indian remy lace front wig and my hair is cornrowed under it and topped off with Morning Glory Growth protectant. I've been using MG for months now and my natural hair is transforming. I'm like where has this shit been, but honestly it's like where has my head been. I should've been up on taking care of my natural hair years ago. :-/
 

ICandi

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Meh...to me going natural would take way more time to manage. I'm in the military so I don't have a bunch of time to fool with my hair on a day to day basis. It's so much easier to brush my hair back and put it in a bun than to fight with my hair (its thick). I just make sure that I keep heat to a bare minimum, make sure its properly moisturized, and I ensure that my ends are clipped.
 

Sundae

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^^ why would natural hair take more time than relaxed hair. Each type can take little time or lots of time to style depending on what you want to achieve.

for me, having my hair relaxed was really time consuming whether doing it at home or at the salon. The time I got out no body really saw my lovely style anyway.

I've been natural for 6 years now and I can honestly say it was the best decision I've made to keep it that way. I've found it really low-mentainance (most of the time) and once I found what worked for my hair it's really a piece of cake.

I've actually shaved off my hair now so it's even more easier than before and I love it. I don't have to wrap,spritz roll, straighten, blow dry or do anything else for that matter lol. just brush and go.

But even when my hair was longer I used to brush my hair with a little water on top and put a du rag on top and that was it. Left the house without even having to do my hair at all.

So it really is up to you how much time and money you want to dedicate to your hair. it can be as hard or as easy as you want!
 

DigitalRain

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I am just tired of relaxing. I have 4b hair with some 4a at the crown. I have gotten to the point where relaxing every 6-8 weeks has gotten old. My hair grows fast, so by the 3rd week I already have newgrowth and it doesnt look like I never relaxed in the first place. Im growing out the relaxer and will be using the flat iron and warm comb press for when I want to be straight.
 

ICandi

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Originally Posted by Sundae
^^ why would natural hair take more time than relaxed hair. Each type can take little time or lots of time to style depending on what you want to achieve.

for me, having my hair relaxed was really time consuming whether doing it at home or at the salon. The time I got out no body really saw my lovely style anyway.

I've been natural for 6 years now and I can honestly say it was the best decision I've made to keep it that way. I've found it really low-mentainance (most of the time) and once I found what worked for my hair it's really a piece of cake.

I've actually shaved off my hair now so it's even more easier than before and I love it. I don't have to wrap,spritz roll, straighten, blow dry or do anything else for that matter lol. just brush and go.

But even when my hair was longer I used to brush my hair with a little water on top and put a du rag on top and that was it. Left the house without even having to do my hair at all.

So it really is up to you how much time and money you want to dedicate to your hair. it can be as hard or as easy as you want!


It's not only the fact that it takes less time but when I'm in field conditions sometimes I can't do anything to my hair for a number of days at a time. My natural hair is so thick to the point where if it gets wet it would look like a lion's mane. My relaxed hair is soo much easier to deal with since if it gets wet it will dry straight which makes it easier to deal with. To each her own but I love my hair relaxed.
 

Sundae

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Cool hun, it's really up to you how you style it :)

I was just saying that no matter what type of hair you have, you can make it as hard or easy for you. I know when my hair was longer I used to try to make my hair do certain things. It was harder to control and made me frustrated. But once I stopped doing certain things and just did things it liked and could do then it was just easy. Please don't get me wrong, I've had terrible hair days too believe me lol but I've had a lot more good hair days, permed and natural.
 

Hannaleh

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Originally Posted by BKTrinVincy
Im natural but I love fake hair.. I usually wear wigs and maintain my hair underneath

The same here. Plus, my wigs are alternatives to scarves for purpose of head covering : I'm orthodox Jewish.
 

HeavenLeiBlu

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Originally Posted by ICandi
It's not only the fact that it takes less time but when I'm in field conditions sometimes I can't do anything to my hair for a number of days at a time. My natural hair is so thick to the point where if it gets wet it would look like a lion's mane. My relaxed hair is soo much easier to deal with since if it gets wet it will dry straight which makes it easier to deal with. To each her own but I love my hair relaxed.

To each her own indeed, but I find that people with the "easier to deal with" argument usually just don't know HOW do deal with their natural texture, and that's what makes it harder. Not making any judgments, because we all ain't able. If we were (and willing), salons wouldn't exist. I'm not trying to convert you, just stating a pretty frequent observation.
 

ICandi

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Originally Posted by HeavenLeiBlu
To each her own indeed, but I find that people with the "easier to deal with" argument usually just don't know HOW do deal with their natural texture, and that's what makes it harder. Not making any judgments, because we all ain't able. If we were (and willing), salons wouldn't exist. I'm not trying to convert you, just stating a pretty frequent observation.

huh? lol! If a relaxer didn't exist then I would make it work one way or another but since relaxers are available to me and I like the way they make my hair feel I use them. I don't have a problem with "virgin" hair but that's just not me. If relaxers didn't exist I would find a way to make my hair managable regardless...but a relaxer is my way of doing it. My hair is healthy and well taken care of so I have no complaints. My mother relaxed my hair when I was younger and it's been relaxed every since.
 

MACandie2012

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Originally Posted by MJsJesusjuice

Also, can someone explain to me why you would give a relaxer to a young girl still in single digits? I had a friend whose mother put a relaxer on her hair when she was little girl; we were in the 7th grade and she could hardly put her hair in a ponytail with a THIN RUBBER BAND!


I got my first relaxer when I was 5 years old. My hair is super thick though and my hair isn't damaged, and I've been getting them for 14 years. I don't think age matters. It just depends on the person's hair and how knappy their hair is, in which mine is EXTREMELY knappy. I could DEFINITELY NEVER stop getting one.

HTH.
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medixon

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I love both natural and relaxed hair, for different reasons. I love how natural hair has just automatic body to it. You don't have to tease it or use alot of product to get the drama that you want. But I also like relaxed hair because of the area I live in. It's very humid and as soon as I walk out the door it seems like my natural hair frizzes up and my relaxed hair just stays the same (I'm stretching my relaxer).
I was relaxed when I was 5 years old because my mother had two girls with naturally thick, extremely tiny corkscrew curls. I'd have to get my hair pressed all the time and I would whine and move non stop while she was doing it. So it helped, I had less burns than with the pressing comb and not as many tears when she had to detangle. I do wish that she would have left my hair natural a little bit longer so that I would know how to quickly and properly detangle my natural hair, because spending about an hour detangling my natural hair is just ridiculous!
I also love touching my tiny curls, I find them just so cute!
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Cinammonkisses

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Originally Posted by HeavenLeiBlu
To each her own indeed, but I find that people with the "easier to deal with" argument usually just don't know HOW do deal with their natural texture, and that's what makes it harder. Not making any judgments, because we all ain't able. If we were (and willing), salons wouldn't exist. I'm not trying to convert you, just stating a pretty frequent observation.

So true indeed. I mean really, how many of you females have grown up being told that your' hair was nappy, or unmanageable? Don't lie..

You're groomed at a young age that at some point you will be pretty with some long straight hair. Straight hair is beautiful, it is carefree, it is manageable.

I mean really, it's one thing if you were actually taking care of your natural hair at a young age then yes you would be able to gauge the actual texture of your hair. But, for most of us that just wasn't the case. So really, all you really have memories of is being told your hair was kinky, dry, nappy, etc while having it pulled out by a too small comb.

p.s. au natural for 7 years now!
 

na_pink

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Originally Posted by MACandie2012
I got my first relaxer when I was 5 years old. My hair is super thick though and my hair isn't damaged, and I've been getting them for 14 years. I don't think age matters. It just depends on the person's hair and how knappy their hair is, in which mine is EXTREMELY knappy. I could DEFINITELY NEVER stop getting one.

HTH.
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Hmm yea you could ... You just dont want to lol


Anyways to the op . Just because you were not comfortable with your nappy self before does not mean every woman that relaxes is not comfortable either. I mean ... right now it seems like you're still off about the entire thing ... because you noted that you don't get looked at as much before ....

Also why did you find the need to tell us the state of your father's ethnic background ? Good hair bad hair mentality ?

My honest opinion is yes .. some women rely on their hair too much to give them a specific look. I never really understood the bs European mentality thing that people go on about. I would personally never want my hair to grow straight from my scalp ... It isnt me .
But then some women just relax because they find it easier to maintain their hair. And for the people that say , oh you can natural hair the same way ... Let's face it. If you have nappy as rah hair .. like 4z nappy .. all over ... its not going to be easier to maintain. Some people do not have the patience nor the time to deal with that type of hair. It's prone to tangles and dryness which in the end may just lead to damage and what seems like slow hair growth.
Other people just like to throw their hair up in a pony and go ... Im sure with type 4 hair .. unless you have major length , throwing hair in a pony without a brush isnt the easiest thing to do

So if you want to judge relaxers / perms and natural hair .. judge yourself and not other people because everyone has a reason for doing specific things and in the end .. it's their hair .. not yours.
 

openexpression

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Originally Posted by ClaireAvril
anyone transitioning??

I am! I'm scared as hell...but I want my curls back! My mom got a relaxer put in my head when I was 6. She was sending me away for a month to visit my aunts and they did not know how to comb hair...they said my hair was "too thick." She put the relaxer in but has regretted it ever since...she tried to convince me as a teenager to cut it off to the new growth but I was always too scared. My face is too full for short hair. Now, I have come to the realization that I am ready to go natural but I still can't bring myself to "BC" so I am transitioning. I am praying for patience and strength b/c my hair is extremely thick and New Orleans is hot and humid!
 

Lapis

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Originally Posted by MACandie2012
I got my first relaxer when I was 5 years old. My hair is super thick though and my hair isn't damaged, and I've been getting them for 14 years. I don't think age matters. It just depends on the person's hair and how knappy their hair is, in which mine is EXTREMELY knappy. I could DEFINITELY NEVER stop getting one.

HTH.
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I'm going to disagree on the age issue
It should be illegal to relax any child's under age 10 hair, it's horrible the amount of 5 year olds I see with hairlines that are simply decimated from chemicals.
The napp of the hair is only part of the equation, the scalp is also a factor, many kids can't take a relaxer for the time needed and it burns them, nope leave the baby's hair
 

HeavenLeiBlu

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huh? lol! If a relaxer didn't exist then I would make it work one way or another but since relaxers are available to me and I like the way they make my hair feel I use them. I don't have a problem with "virgin" hair but that's just not me. If relaxers didn't exist I would find a way to make my hair managable regardless...but a relaxer is my way of doing it. My hair is healthy and well taken care of so I have no complaints. My mother relaxed my hair when I was younger and it's been relaxed every since.




I'm not sure what you're not clear on?

What I was trying to say was form what *I* have observed, people (not just women, because I know dads that do their daughters' hair) who make the claim that relaxed hair is "easier" are usually ignorant of the tools and techniques that make caring for highly textured hair easy, or are just impatient - which yes, points to what you stated... if relaxers didn't exist, you'd have no choice but to take the time/learn techniques, etc.

I'll again state as I said in earlier post that I spent way more time and effort caring for my relaxed hair, or at least creating the illusion of "healthy" relaxed hair.


As for my second point: "We all ain't able"; I mean that I understand that we all aren't capable of the same level of upkeep, regardless of the tools we have, or techniques that other people are adept at. For example, I can't cornrow like my mother can to save my life... so instead of cornrowing my daughter's hair all crazily, I let someone else do it, or I braided it in the way that *I'm* good at, which is small, individual plaits or microbraids. I think everyone should be able to do the basics on their (and their children's) hair, but again, everybody ain't able! Otherwise, the salon industry wouldn't exist, and so many people wouldn't be walking around with hot steaming messes on their heads.


I just feel like the concept of relaxed or straight hair being "easier" is a way of begging off personal impatience/limited skill at the least, and a cop-out for just saying that they don't WANT to bother with at at all at the most. Most relaxed women wouldn't know for sure one way or the other, because they've never dealt with a full head and full length their own virgin texture for any amount of time that they would be able for fairly assess as much, and don't even know what a full head of their virgin hair (as an adult, I wouldn't dare try to compare a child's styling options to an adult's) is like, for that matter.

In any case, I don't have to do your hair or pay for it's care, so do you, which is what you'll do anyway!
 
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