No communion for Obama supporters???

carandru

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COLUMBIA, S.C. - A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him "constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil."The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary's Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.
"Our nation has chosen for its chief executive the most radical pro-abortion politician ever to serve in the United States Senate or to run for president," Newman wrote, referring to Obama by his full name, including his middle name of Hussein.

Voting for a pro-abortion politician when a plausible pro-life alternative exits constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil, and those Catholics who do so place themselves outside of the full communion of Christ's Church and under the judgment of divine law. Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

Risking their immortal soul
During the 2008 presidential campaign, many bishops spoke out on abortion more boldly than four years earlier, telling Catholic politicians and voters that the issue should be the most important consideration in setting policy and deciding which candidate to back. A few church leaders said parishioners risked their immortal soul by voting for candidates who support abortion rights.
But bishops differ on whether Catholic lawmakers — and voters — should refrain from receiving Communion if they diverge from church teaching on abortion. Each bishop sets policy in his own diocese. In their annual fall meeting, the nation's Catholic bishops vowed Tuesday to forcefully confront the Obama administration over its support for abortion rights.
According to national exit polls, 54 percent of Catholics chose Obama, who is Protestant. In South Carolina, which McCain carried, voters in Greenville County — traditionally seen as among the state's most conservative areas — went 61 percent for the Republican, and 37 percent for Obama.
"It was not an attempt to make a partisan point," Newman said in a telephone interview Thursday. "In fact, in this election, for the sake of argument, if the Republican candidate had been pro-abortion, and the Democratic candidate had been pro-life, everything that I wrote would have been exactly the same."



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WOW. That was all I could say to this article. I guess the priest is within his rights to feel this way, but I find the idea of linking a vote for Obama to "mateiral cooperation w/ intrinsic evil" to be utterly ridiculous. It is 2008 when the rules/needs of the church have to coexist with the world around it. To completely base your vote on whether or not a politician supports abortion would also be ridiculous. Do your parishioners not have live and work? Do they not need to have access to healthcare or be able to obtain a quality education? Are there no military families in your parish? Are all of these issues that they should completely ignore and simply choose the candidate who DOESN'T support abortion? Seriously? I guess it's ok to pick the guy who won't vote yes on abortion but will skyrocket taxes or send half the country into war (just being hypothetical here). A person should vote for the politician they feel has the best ideas for the country on most of the issues, if not all. But, I guess if all you care about is abortion... It just doesn't seem likely or appropriate that one would care about only one issue and base their vote solely on that when there are so many pertinent issues.

Are you not ostracizing a group of your parishioners? I guess if you believe they are jeopardizing their souls, then you probably don't care. But, it seems that pushing your parishioners away from the rituals that are supposed to reaffirm, strengthen, and display their commitment to God and their relationship too would jeopardize the souls that you are trying to save
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I am just glad that this is not the sentiment of the entire Catholic church or even this priest's entire parish.
 

S.S.BlackOrchid

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I read that in the news and it is completely ridiculous. I attend church and there are many members who feel similarly (that it is unchristian to vote Democrat because of abortion, gaymarriage, etc). It just annoys me. People should vote for the candidate whom they feel is best for the country and not be told by the church that they are being unchristian for it. And yes, wanting better education and healthcare is very Christian, imo.
 

MACLovin

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What a moron.. seriously. Just another insane religious zealot who thinks their way is the only way. It's pretty "un-catholic" of you to ostracize someone for their beliefs..

RELIGION + POLITICS.... leave them separate!
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I don't really have much else to say on the topic.. people like this annoy the crap outta me. ugh
 

Beauty Mark

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To completely base your vote on whether or not a politician supports abortion would also be ridiculous.

Quite a few people are one issue voters and base their votes on that, on both sides.

I really hate the term "pro-abortion." That's absurd. I'm pro-choice, meaning leave it up the woman. I'm not pro-abortion.
 

*Stargazer*

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This is dumb. On many levels, but the first being the guy should at least be consistent. List every single politician you could possibly vote for and any of the pro-choice ones should also disqualify you from communion. Why single out the president-elect? Obviously it's about more than Obama's stance on abortion.

The other thing that is bothersome about this is that organizations wouldn't get away with stuff like this if more people AFFECTED acted on it.
 

carandru

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
Quite a few people are one issue voters and base their votes on that, on both sides.

I really hate the term "pro-abortion." That's absurd. I'm pro-choice, meaning leave it up the woman. I'm not pro-abortion.


I completely understand that a lot of people are one issue voters, but I still find that to be a bit ridiculous and not in their best interest. I could understand if a person felt the candidates were equal EXCEPT for this issue. Then by all means, vote based upon that issue only if you have already considered any other issues that are important to you. But to completely ignore all other issues could truly be setting things up for trouble.
 

abbyquack

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
Quite a few people are one issue voters and base their votes on that, on both sides.

I really hate the term "pro-abortion." That's absurd. I'm pro-choice, meaning leave it up the woman. I'm not pro-abortion.


Me too! I personally wouldn't have an abortion but I don't like old men trying to decide what I should do with MY body. I like to know I have a choice, even if I choose not to do something.
 

MrsRjizzle

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Im sick. How many sins did he just commit by making that statement. He is judging and forcing judgement on his congregation.
 

MrsRjizzle

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Im sick. How many sins did he just commit by making that statement. He is judging and forcing judgement on his congregation.
 

AdlersMommy22

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I want to thank the OP for pointing out the fact that that is not the way the entire Catholic Church feels... and that it is the opinion of one paticular priest at one paticular church.

That being said

Most all of yo know i am a staunt catholic. but his opinion is the dumbest fucking thing i have ever heard in my life. who the hell is HE to decide if someone can recieve the body and blood of Christ? Kiss my ass- he is NOT God and he is way out of his limits of allowness in the Church to refuse Communion to any Catholic because of HIS beliefs.

I myself lean more towards a single issue vote. I agree with a lot of what Obama stands for but my conscious could not lead me to vote for him. That doesnt mean I dont support him.. because I do. I just morally felt as though I couldnt support his beliefs (which are rather radical in my opinion) in abortion.

I just... am flabbergasted. I also think its so wrong that if someone gets a divorce they aren't "allowed" to take communion. Thats ridiculous. And pisses me off more than anything. Did Jesus not eat with sinners? Did he not wash the feet of sinners?

God is mercyfull and its not up to ANY human being to deny another human being the right to recieve communion.
 

rosasola1

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communion is partaking in Christ's promise... no one should be excluded from that because of their "sins" that's just rediculous. The whole real purpose for communion is to receive God's promise of redemption and grace... it should not be used as a tool to punish people!!!! AHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGG

People ruin too many things.... why?
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jdechant

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So true Adlersmommy and Rosasola1....If that was my priest, I would of walked out of that church.. to stand their and preach about what is right and what isn't?? Tsk tsk...
 

AdlersMommy22

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^hhahaha EXACTLY.. no shit!!!

And yeah I would have def walked out too of my church too. I couldnt even think for one second that my priests would say something like that.. I really couldnt picture them doing that. I'd freak the eff out.
 

jdechant

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Yeah ... That reminds me of the preacher here that told everyone in the church last week that he wanted them to go home and have sex with their husband and wives for 7 days straight...and he too would be doing the same...

Ok WTF is this about and who invited you into my sex life...

cbs11tv.com - Pastor Tells Congregation To Have Sex For 7 Days



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huh?? Lol..I wouldn't want my little girl to attend that sermon..CrAzY
 

florabundance

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"Persons in this condition should not receive Holy Communion until and unless they are reconciled to God in the Sacrament of Penance, lest they eat and drink their own condemnation."

umm. what.
 

jdechant

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Originally Posted by AdlersMommy22
^whoa no joke... Id be like "EARMUFFS!" hahahahaha

Baaahahaha...thats HILARIOUS...no seriously, my kid needs to learn 'earmuffs' She's a sponge!! She listens and copies EVERYTHING...
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