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^ I also went to school in the scientific field (engineering), though I am not in the field of my study right now. So I get your mindset, Ratmist. The way they train you to be an expert problem solver is the same way they train you to turn your "para-senses" off.
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I prefer to think of my training as an opening of my mind to every possibility other than the supernatural, because I don't believe there are "para-senses" that can be turned off. I'd be happy to see some proof of these "para-senses", but so far, scientific research has not supported the claims that some people have made regarding the supernatural.
There are plenty of anecdotal stories, though, which are perhaps interesting to hear, but they don't budge my beliefs at all because an anecdote is not valid proof of a concept.
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I believe that you can still hold a "rational" opinion without stepping on toes (I don't believe you did step on toes). But something that is self-evident to someone else may not be self-evident to you. And even then if it does become self-evident to you, there is the messy business of proving its repeatability... something not easily done right away as many times it's not known how or why it occurred in the first place.
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Yep, but there's still a rational explanation, even if I don't know what that rational explanation might be. I'd rather say, "I don't know what happened" than say, "It was a ghost!", for example.
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And then there is the issue of whether some folks even have the ability to perceive an event at all, or even perceive it in the same way. Colorblindness, super-tasters, synaptic differences, all of those totally determine how a person is going to perceive things.
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There is still a defined set of principles, laid out by proven research, that deals with human perception. So far, nothing has proven anyone's ability to perceive the types of events that are associated with Ouija boards, i.e. contact with a dead person.
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In the world of the "supernatural", or as I prefer to use, *paranormal*, there have been sightings of things once deemed "magic" or "by the spirits", which today we call electricity, magnetism, flight, etc. In fact I believe many of the world's inventions of chance were spurred by the non-conventional experiences of people. Yeah, some people are not satisfied until they see the scientific explanation, but until we get that information, to many others, "it's the spirits".
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While this may be true, that electricity, magnetism, flight, etc. may have been once considered supernatural, there were people - early scientists really - that refused to believe the cause of these phenomena was supernatural. These people ended up defining what these phenomena really
are. And that's a *good* thing, right?
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There are some people more 'in tune' with the spiritual world than others, as evidenced by this thread. This is my personal belief.
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Fair enough. Personally, I don't share your belief, and I don't believe the stories people tell when it comes to the supernatural. I believe that what they felt was real, but as for their explanations for what happened? If it's a supernatural explanation, I'm automatically skeptical. Just call me Agent Scully.
Just to be clear though, I only posted because the OP asked for responses to (among other things) the question: "Does anyone believe in the Ouija board?" I figured I might be the only one saying, "Nope - and I don't believe in the supernatural".