Pressing pigments
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mskitchmas
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i don't think it matters...i use 92 because i think it dries faster. but i have used both successfully.
~Crystal~
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Re: Pigment Pressing- Which alcohol is better??
Sorry for bumping!! But I really wanted to ask if ethanol would be a suitable alcohol to use for pressing pigments
I asked my dad where our surgical spirits were.. and he had no idea- then he said that he had some for cleaning purposes and took me down to the garage where he has a 20L tin of 96% pure ethanol
I'm hesitant to use it though, since I'm not sure what the remaining 4% consists of. I'm thinking about phoning up the company to ask though. It's from 'Recochem'...
As far as I know, ethanol is significantly less toxic than isopropyl alcohol... is there any particular reason for everyone using isopropyl instead of ethanol?
Sorry for bumping!! But I really wanted to ask if ethanol would be a suitable alcohol to use for pressing pigments
I asked my dad where our surgical spirits were.. and he had no idea- then he said that he had some for cleaning purposes and took me down to the garage where he has a 20L tin of 96% pure ethanol
I'm hesitant to use it though, since I'm not sure what the remaining 4% consists of. I'm thinking about phoning up the company to ask though. It's from 'Recochem'...
As far as I know, ethanol is significantly less toxic than isopropyl alcohol... is there any particular reason for everyone using isopropyl instead of ethanol?
queenofdisaster
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Re: here's the scoop
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is this in the right place?
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Originally Posted by marykelancey
Apparently the phrasing 6 different palettes is meaning the color palettes, not palette the way all of us mac junkies think. I was told by the store in FL that it is a repromote of pigments that have been discontinued. The ones she names were golden lemon, steel blue, and rose to name a few. She said they have tons. There is also some perfumes but nothing is in holiday sizes... it is all repromotes of the originals. And also, when you click on the nordies link that one of the users above provided, there are some stores that just got the line this weekend. So you can still get the colors you are out of!!! They ARE still available! 
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is this in the right place?
Ella_
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Re: Pigment Pressing- Which alcohol is better??
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I wondered about this too. A friend of mine works in a cosmetics lab, shes on a cruise for the next few weeks, but when she gets back I will ask her about it
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| Originally Posted by ~Crystal~
Sorry for bumping!! But I really wanted to ask if ethanol would be a suitable alcohol to use for pressing pigments I asked my dad where our surgical spirits were.. and he had no idea- then he said that he had some for cleaning purposes and took me down to the garage where he has a 20L tin of 96% pure ethanol
I'm hesitant to use it though, since I'm not sure what the remaining 4% consists of. I'm thinking about phoning up the company to ask though. It's from 'Recochem'... As far as I know, ethanol is significantly less toxic than isopropyl alcohol... is there any particular reason for everyone using isopropyl instead of ethanol? |
I wondered about this too. A friend of mine works in a cosmetics lab, shes on a cruise for the next few weeks, but when she gets back I will ask her about it
~Crystal~
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Re: Pigment Pressing- Which alcohol is better??
Ok I emailed the company, and got a reply this afternoon:
Dear Mary Jane,
No Problem.
The formulation for methylated spirits is given by the ATO to prevent
the ethanol in the methylated spirits being sold as illicit liquer. The
formulation is 96% ethanol and 4% water. However to prevent the sale of
the product as liquer and to also prevent accidental poisoning this
ethanol/water mixture then has other chemicals added to it. These are
Methyl Isobutyl Ketone (gives the methylated spirits a slight "gluey
odour"), denatonium benzoate - this is the bitterest substance know to
humans and is present at 6.6ppm to prevent accidental poisonings, and a
the dye fluorescien which fluoresces under UV light for identification
purposes.
I hope this helps
Best Regards
Dr. Paul Capper-Duffin
Technical Manager
Hmm.. ketones, denatonium benzoate AND a fluorescent dye... I think i'll be staying away from this particular lot of ethanol lol.
Ok I emailed the company, and got a reply this afternoon:
Dear Mary Jane,
No Problem.
The formulation for methylated spirits is given by the ATO to prevent
the ethanol in the methylated spirits being sold as illicit liquer. The
formulation is 96% ethanol and 4% water. However to prevent the sale of
the product as liquer and to also prevent accidental poisoning this
ethanol/water mixture then has other chemicals added to it. These are
Methyl Isobutyl Ketone (gives the methylated spirits a slight "gluey
odour"), denatonium benzoate - this is the bitterest substance know to
humans and is present at 6.6ppm to prevent accidental poisonings, and a
the dye fluorescien which fluoresces under UV light for identification
purposes.
I hope this helps
Best Regards
Dr. Paul Capper-Duffin
Technical Manager
Hmm.. ketones, denatonium benzoate AND a fluorescent dye... I think i'll be staying away from this particular lot of ethanol lol.
docmaria
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Re: Pigment Pressing- Which alcohol is better??
Ethyl alcohol is not the same as isopropyl alcohol. The 4% may be water, vile stuff added to stop people drinking it or at worst, benzene - eek.
Any advice on a forum about a product that you're going to breathe in or put on your skin, that's never been tested, should come with a HUGE DISCLAIMER.
Edited to add - just read your e-mail reply, so it was the second option. Not very appealing but nice thought dad!
Ethyl alcohol is not the same as isopropyl alcohol. The 4% may be water, vile stuff added to stop people drinking it or at worst, benzene - eek.
Any advice on a forum about a product that you're going to breathe in or put on your skin, that's never been tested, should come with a HUGE DISCLAIMER.
Edited to add - just read your e-mail reply, so it was the second option. Not very appealing but nice thought dad!
~Crystal~
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Re: Pigment Pressing- Which alcohol is better??
Hehe yeah I think I'll be going out to look for some more surgical alcohol if I can't find the bottle we have at home.
Say we were dealing with ethyl alcohol though- or ethanol, same thing from what I remember in chem, right?
if the 4% had simply been water, then ethanol SHOULD be a better solvent than isopropyl alcohol in this case, shouldn't it?
Of course, no one would sell pure ethanol like that
too many people would try to drink it!
Hehe yeah I think I'll be going out to look for some more surgical alcohol if I can't find the bottle we have at home.
Say we were dealing with ethyl alcohol though- or ethanol, same thing from what I remember in chem, right?
Of course, no one would sell pure ethanol like that
lsperry
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IMHO Fix+ is better
Before pressing all my pigments, I experimented with 70% isopropyl alcohol on 2 pigments and Fix+ on 2 pigments. Alcohol - Entremauve pigment is stiff and does not swipe as easily; Kitschmas swipes and applies easily. Fix+ - Chocolate Brown and Melon pigments swipes and applies easily.
So, I used Fix+ for the remainder of my pigment pressing (25 pigments so far). They may take an hour or two longer to set than alcohol, but I don't want any other pigments to turn out stiff and hard to apply.
In addition, I did not try to press copper sparkle or rose pigments because I thought I read somewhere here that they are harder to press. And I haven't tried to press any matte pigments (genuine orange, french violet, or deep brown). I don't think they'll be a problem, I just wanted to press the others first.
Also, I've successfully pressed some fyrinnae pigments (fyrinnae.com). Although I noted the fyrinnae pigments set and dry faster than the MAC pigments. Maybe because they are less dense than MAC's.
AND I used Fix+ to repair 5 broken eye shadows (sea myth, lavender sky, shimmermoss, bronze and sable). They broke when my traincase hit the floor; the good thing is all the containers were closed when the shadows broke and so none spilled out onto the floor. They swipe and apply just as before.
Before pressing all my pigments, I experimented with 70% isopropyl alcohol on 2 pigments and Fix+ on 2 pigments. Alcohol - Entremauve pigment is stiff and does not swipe as easily; Kitschmas swipes and applies easily. Fix+ - Chocolate Brown and Melon pigments swipes and applies easily.
So, I used Fix+ for the remainder of my pigment pressing (25 pigments so far). They may take an hour or two longer to set than alcohol, but I don't want any other pigments to turn out stiff and hard to apply.
In addition, I did not try to press copper sparkle or rose pigments because I thought I read somewhere here that they are harder to press. And I haven't tried to press any matte pigments (genuine orange, french violet, or deep brown). I don't think they'll be a problem, I just wanted to press the others first.
Also, I've successfully pressed some fyrinnae pigments (fyrinnae.com). Although I noted the fyrinnae pigments set and dry faster than the MAC pigments. Maybe because they are less dense than MAC's.
AND I used Fix+ to repair 5 broken eye shadows (sea myth, lavender sky, shimmermoss, bronze and sable). They broke when my traincase hit the floor; the good thing is all the containers were closed when the shadows broke and so none spilled out onto the floor. They swipe and apply just as before.
mezzamy
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Re: Pigment Pressing- Which alcohol is better??
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thanks
im in australia and our $1 coin fits the pan perfectly. i used material from a crappy organza gift bag (you know the ones that have a draw string at the top?) because it's really rough and gives great hatchmarks. i left hte pigment until it was almost dry and put the material on, and then squished it down with the coin. it isnt as even as i would like due to the images that are printed onto the coin
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yup thats the one i use! id love to use surgical spirit like lara but im too lazy to leave the house and ive heard of many people using isocol with great results. the pigment has pressed fine and hasnt dissolved back into powder yet... i think a higher alcohol content just means it'll evaporate out of the product easier
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| Originally Posted by makeupnewbie
wow nice! how did u press it so evenly |
thanks
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| Originally Posted by ~Crystal~
Ooohh isocol! Is that the green bottle with the little green crocodile on it? I saw it today, but I was like.. hmm.. it only contains 64% isopropyl alcohol... |
yup thats the one i use! id love to use surgical spirit like lara but im too lazy to leave the house and ive heard of many people using isocol with great results. the pigment has pressed fine and hasnt dissolved back into powder yet... i think a higher alcohol content just means it'll evaporate out of the product easier
Sonya Adams
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Re: Pigment Pressing- Which alcohol is better??
I use 91% Isopropyl Alcohol... seems to work great and is solid and without alcohol odor in a few hours, too!
I use 91% Isopropyl Alcohol... seems to work great and is solid and without alcohol odor in a few hours, too!
labwom
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Re: How do you make pressed pigments??
There is already a thread on that here:
http://specktra.net/showthread.php?t...ing+pi gments
There is already a thread on that here:
http://specktra.net/showthread.php?t...ing+pi gments
